TROMBONE-L Digest 1915 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Open Horn Sounds by Walter Barrett 2) Re: Open Horn Sounds by Anders.Carlsson@gfs.gu.se (Anders Carlsson) 3) Re: Mahler (was:Open Horn Sounds) by Tbcwes@aol.com 4) RE: Open Horn Sounds by Peter_Eiden@prenhall.com 5) Re: Open Horn Sounds by "Paul D. Kemp Jr." 6) Re: mouthpiece buzzing by "Jen and Andy Walls" 7) Re: Mahler 3, was Re: Open Horn Sounds by Walter Barrett 8) Gardell Simons by Donbenham3@aol.com 9) Re: Ernst Sachse? by Michael & Dava Millar 10) Re: Mahler 3, was Re: Open Horn Sounds by MikeSuter@aol.com 11) Re: TMEA Performances by "Josh Grisham" 12) Joseph Alessi and a Grammy Nominee! by Abueid@aol.com 13) Re: Gardell Simons by ROSEBONE@aol.com 14) Re: Gardell Simons #2 by ROSEBONE@aol.com 15) Re: Joseph Alessi and a Grammy Nominee! by "Aaron Roth" 16) Looking for live performance on Jan. 22nd in Orlando by "Nobuaki Seki" 17) Bore size variation in small bore range by "Nobuaki Seki" 18) Courtois trombones by PyroGuy211@aol.com 19) Re: Low humor and the battle of the sexes by "ksdowdy" 20) Re: Gardell Simons by "Joe L. Norcross" 21) Re: Required audition solo (was: Sachse) by Gabriel Langfur 22) Re: Required audition solo (was: Sachse) by Gabriel Langfur 23) Re: Open Horn Sounds by "Hal Starkey" 24) FS: various trombone CD's by "Scott Furness" 25) Pliskin Mouthpiece Fix Works by David Oliver 26) Re: mouthpiece buzzing by "Daniel Pliskin" 27) Re: Mahler 3, was Re: Open Horn Sounds by "Daniel Pliskin" 28) Re: Required audition solo (was: Sachse) by Randy Campora 29) Re: Gardell Simons by Eugene Grissom 30) Re: Bore size variation in small bore range by "Daniel Pliskin" 31) Re: mouthpiece buzzing by Craig Parmerlee 32) Re: Open Horn Sounds by JFBermann@aol.com 33) New Thread--Gabriel Masson recording of the Defaye Deux Danses by "Paul D. Kemp Jr." 34) Re: Required audition solo (was: Sachse) by "Aaron Roth" 35) Re: New Thread--Gabriel Masson recording of the Defaye Deux Danses by "Aaron Roth" 36) Re: New Thread--Gabriel Masson recording of the Defaye Deux Danses by "Michael Towe" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 08:54:04 -0500 From: Walter Barrett To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Open Horn Sounds Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 1/5/01 11:55 PM, Joshua A. Sticklor-Lipson at sticklja@jmu.edu sent forth into the cosmos: > Go buy the NY philharmonic recording of > Mahler 3 under Bernstein. Listen to Joe Alessi play the 1st trombone > solos. I don't know the recording you're referring to, but I'm pretty sure that Joe Alessi wasn't in the orchestra when Bernstein was recording with them. It's a lot more likely that it was Ed Herman, or Lewis Van Haney, depending on the vintage. One of the all time greatest trombone sections ever, IMHO, was Van Haney, Gordon Pulis, and Allan Ostrander. (Let the flames begin...) Walter Barrett Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 14:03:43 +0200 From: Anders.Carlsson@gfs.gu.se (Anders Carlsson) Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Open Horn Sounds Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Walter Barrett wrote: >I don't know the recording you're referring to, but I'm pretty sure >that Joe >Alessi wasn't in the orchestra when Bernstein was recording with them. >It's >a lot more likely that it was Ed Herman, or Lewis Van Haney, depending >on >the vintage. One of the all time greatest trombone sections ever, IMHO, >was >Van Haney, Gordon Pulis, and Allan Ostrander. (Let the flames begin...) Recorded live Avery Fisher Hall 1987. Booklet states Trombone: Joe Alessi. His sound is really great on this one. Marvellous recording in all. Especially the last mov. in my opinion. /Anders ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:31:19 EST From: Tbcwes@aol.com To: Anders.Carlsson@gfs.gu.se, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Mahler (was:Open Horn Sounds) Message-ID: <26.f7e665d.27888637@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_26.f7e665d.27888637_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline In a message dated 1/6/01 9:01:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, Anders.Carlsson@gfs.gu.se writes: Marvelous recording in all. Especially the last mov. in my opinion. I would have to disagree. Joe definitely sounds great, but Bernstein takes MANY liberties -- follow the piece with a score and I think you will find less consistency than is required of Mahler (a composer who micromanages his music in my opinion). I do not mind terribly if a conductor takes liberties with a piece he is recreating, but it is imperative that at the very least the variations are consistent if given the same indication by the composer. Mahler really does give the performers a great deal of information about his music and how he intended for it to be played Of course everything here is in my opinion, but I will duck for cover anyway. Wes ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: 06 Jan 2001 10:42:31 -0500 From: Peter_Eiden@prenhall.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Open Horn Sounds Message-ID: <"/GUID:Q4dHXTB/j1BGZNQBgCI2PYQ*/G=Peter/S=Eiden/OU=exchange/O=pearsontc/PRMD=pearson/ADMD=telemail/C=us/"@MHS> While I don't have the recording in from of me, I know the one I own is of the NYP, Bernstein and Joe playing the solos. I think it was recorded right after he joined the orchestra in the mid-80's. The cover page of the CD notes lists Joe as a soloist, supposedly at Bernstein's request since he was so taken by Joe's performance. Pete Eiden -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu] Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 8:58 AM To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Open Horn Sounds on 1/5/01 11:55 PM, Joshua A. Sticklor-Lipson at sticklja@jmu.edu sent forth into the cosmos: > Go buy the NY philharmonic recording of > Mahler 3 under Bernstein. Listen to Joe Alessi play the 1st trombone > solos. I don't know the recording you're referring to, but I'm pretty sure that Joe Alessi wasn't in the orchestra when Bernstein was recording with them. It's a lot more likely that it was Ed Herman, or Lewis Van Haney, depending on the vintage. One of the all time greatest trombone sections ever, IMHO, was Van Haney, Gordon Pulis, and Allan Ostrander. (Let the flames begin...) Walter Barrett Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:53:43 -0500 From: "Paul D. Kemp Jr." To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Open Horn Sounds Message-ID: <000f01c077f8$dd5b0b20$d4f71c3f@pauljr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pete, This very well could be, as Joe joined the orchestra in 1985 and Bernstein died in 1990. Funny that I should remember that, because I remember working in the orchestra that week, and at that time we had our beloved Russian conductor Vhaktang Jordania, and at the end of the concert that week, the strings played the Barber Adagio for Strings unrehearsed for an encore. I was extremely moved and the strings really played well over their heads musically--probably the best I've ever heard them play. In fact, They have played with that kind of emotion since that I can remember. Paul Kemp Chattanooga Symphony www.trbnplyr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 10:42 AM Subject: RE: Open Horn Sounds > While I don't have the recording in from of me, I know the one I own is of the NYP, Bernstein and Joe playing the solos. I think it was recorded right after he joined the orchestra in the mid-80's. The cover page of the CD notes lists Joe as a soloist, supposedly at Bernstein's request since he was so taken by Joe's performance. > > Pete Eiden > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu > [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu] > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 8:58 AM > To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu > Subject: Re: Open Horn Sounds > > > on 1/5/01 11:55 PM, Joshua A. Sticklor-Lipson at sticklja@jmu.edu sent forth > into the cosmos: > > > Go buy the NY philharmonic recording of > > Mahler 3 under Bernstein. Listen to Joe Alessi play the 1st trombone > > solos. > I don't know the recording you're referring to, but I'm pretty sure that Joe > Alessi wasn't in the orchestra when Bernstein was recording with them. It's > a lot more likely that it was Ed Herman, or Lewis Van Haney, depending on > the vintage. One of the all time greatest trombone sections ever, IMHO, was > Van Haney, Gordon Pulis, and Allan Ostrander. (Let the flames begin...) > > Walter Barrett > > Yamaha Artist/Clinician > Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones > Euphonium > Bass Trumpet > Tuba > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:52:24 -0500 From: "Jen and Andy Walls" To: "Trombone-L List" , Subject: Re: mouthpiece buzzing Message-ID: <013a01c077f8$aa495020$5243e4ce@0016344132> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James, James, James, My wife and I were just planning to go skiing tonight and now I'm scared. I have graduate school auditions these next two months. Now I'm torn. Do I throw caution to the wind, cancel altogether, or pay 60 bucks to go slowly on the bunny slopes? I'm really sorry to hear about your situation. I guess you'll have to make the best out of this and study some other aspects of music like the ones other listers mentioned. It will be a good thing though. I have had a few bouts with serious illnesses and always tried to find some other avenue in music to pursue. It's always, and I say always, worked out for the better. It never hurts to become a better all-around musician. Best of luck to you. Andy Walls ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 2:05 PM Subject: mouthpiece buzzing > list, > > if you're wondering why this message contains no capitalized letters, it's because i'm typing with only my right hand. my friends and i tried snowboarding for the first time yesterday and i broke my left wrist when i fell for the 73rd time. i'm in a lot of pain, mostly because i can't play my trombone. i remember reading about how arnold jacobs was sick a lot and he did a lot of mouthpiece buzzing in the hospital. i'm sure there's a lot of you out there that have had to deal with taking a lot of time away from the horn. i would greatly appreciate any suggestions or exercises you know of to help me while i can't play the bone. i'm looking forward to your responses. thank you so much for your help. > > painfully yours, > james "never snowboarding again" yardley > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 11:27:04 -0500 From: Walter Barrett To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Mahler 3, was Re: Open Horn Sounds Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 1/6/01 7:03 AM, Anders Carlsson at Anders.Carlsson@gfs.gu.se sent forth into the cosmos: > Recorded live Avery Fisher Hall 1987. Booklet states Trombone: Joe > Alessi. His sound is really great on this one. > > Marvellous recording in all. Especially the last mov. in my opinion. > > /Anders > Ok, I'm always willing to be further educated! I now know that Joe joined the NY Phil. in '85,, and since Bernstein died in '90, yes, Alessi was able to record with Bernstein. It's just that when you're old enough to remember hearing Ostrander play Miraculous Mandarin (He played his butt off, BTW!) his last season with the NYP, and having heard Bill Vacchiano talk about how he gave young Master Alessi his first trumpet(!) lessons, you tend to forget how long Joe's been in NY. Why, he's just a young whippersnapper! Why, in my day, it was a 15 mile walk to go hear the Philharmonic, in the snow, being attacked by rabid wolves, and uphill both ways... Walter Barrett Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:40:54 EST From: Donbenham3@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Gardell Simons Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello there! Do you know or can you find the dates (birth and death) for Gardell Simons? I recently played Atlantic Zephyrs on a recital, but could not find his dates. Cal Berkeley doesn't know, the Library of Congress doesn't know, and I can only speculate that he left the country during W.W.II and died in Europe. He played 1st trombone with the Philadelphia orchestra from 1915-1930, but nobody in Philly seems to have his dates. Thanks for your help. Best regards. Don Benham Patten College 2433 Coolidge Avenue Oakland, CA 94601 (510) 534-0990 - home (510) 534-9500 - music office ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 08:57:41 -0800 From: Michael & Dava Millar To: yeo@yeodoug.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Ernst Sachse? Message-ID: <3A574E85.F97860FF@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a past life I looked for information on Sachse and found (somewhere) the dates: b. 1850, d. 1871. Didn't find anything else. Mike Millar -- ============================================= Michael W. Millar, D.M.A. (818) 901-6843 FAX (661) 253-2999 ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 12:22:42 EST From: MikeSuter@aol.com To: wbarrett@bestweb.net, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Mahler 3, was Re: Open Horn Sounds Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << . . . Why, in my day, it was a 15 mile walk to go hear the Philharmonic, in the snow, being attacked by rabid wolves, and uphill both ways... >> And it was HOT! So hot that all the corn in the fields popped. The cows thought it was snow and froze to death. MS ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 12:33:18 -0600 From: "Josh Grisham" To: "Trombone-L" Subject: Re: TMEA Performances Message-ID: <001901c0780f$267331a0$58c2fea9@netjava.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This message reminds me of something... A few days ago someone posted to the list asking for a schedule of events at 2001 TMEA Convention? Well, I got my latest issue of Southwestern Musician in yesterday, so if you want I can scan in images of the schedules and post them to a fast web server for you. If anyone is interested, please let me know off-list. I have the schedules for all categories of events (band, choral, orchestral, general member, etc.), and if you wish I can post them all up. Thanks, - Josh Grisham ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 13:29:41 EST From: Abueid@aol.com To: Subject: Joseph Alessi and a Grammy Nominee! Message-ID: <97.f847a9a.2788be15@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List Members, Category 97 Grammy Nominee 97. Best Classical Contemporary Composition- A Composer's Award. (For a contemporary classical composition composed within the last 25 years, and released for the first time during the Eligibility Year.) This year there is a special nominee! 1. Crumb: Star-Child George Crumb, composer (Joseph Alessi, trombone; Susan Narucki, soprano; Various Artists; Warsaw Phil. Cho.; Thomas Conlin; The Warsaw Phil. Orch.) Track from: George Crumb: 70th Birthday Album, Star-Child [Bridge Records] To find out more about the awards and this category, please visit: http://www.grammy.com/awards/field26.html Thank You. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 13:53:10 EST From: ROSEBONE@aol.com To: Donbenham3@aol.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Gardell Simons Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In a message dated 1/6/01 10:42:24 AM, Donbenham3@aol.com writes: << Hello there! Do you know or can you find the dates (birth and death) for Gardell Simons? I recently played Atlantic Zephyrs on a recital, but could not find his dates. Cal Berkeley doesn't know, the Library of Congress doesn't know, and I can only speculate that he left the country during W.W.II and died in Europe. He played 1st trombone with the Philadelphia orchestra from 1915-1930, but nobody in Philly seems to have his dates. Thanks for your help. Best regards. >> This is from a project I did in 1998- recital of trombone and euphonium solos from 1885-1935 on period instruments - from the program notes. Gardell Simons (1878-1945), composer of ÒAtlantic ZephyrsÓ, was trombone soloist with the John Philip Sousa Band and the Conway Band. He also played first trombone with the Philadelphia Orchestra under Stokowski, Cincinnati Symphony under Reiner, played with the Detroit Symphony and the Cleveland Symphony, and completed his career playing under Toscannini in the NBC Symphony in New York. He wrote many novelty pieces and solos for the trombone. William Rose Mcneese State University Lake Charles, LA rosebone@aol.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 15:13:38 EST From: ROSEBONE@aol.com To: Donbenham3@aol.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Gardell Simons #2 Message-ID: <68.ae48804.2788d672@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/6/01 10:42:24 AM, Donbenham3@aol.com writes: << Do you know or can you find the dates (birth and death) for Gardell Simons? I recently played Atlantic Zephyrs on a recital, but could not find his dates. Cal Berkeley doesn't know, the Library of Congress doesn't know, and I can only speculate that he left the country during W.W.II and died in Europe. He played 1st trombone with the Philadelphia orchestra from 1915-1930, but nobody in Philly seems to have his dates. >> For a fairly comprehensive biography, see Glenn Bridges *Pioneers in Brass*, Sherwood Publications, Detroit, 1965 (special edition 1972). William Rose McNeese State University Lake Charles, LA rosebone@aol.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 16:00:07 -0500 From: "Aaron Roth" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Joseph Alessi and a Grammy Nominee! Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed This came as rather an eye-opener for me. I had never really thought of Joe as a performer of contemporary music before. Even on the End of the Century album, the music is generally idiomatic of the post-Romantic trend (except for three rather more adventurous pieces), and although I haven't heard Fandango yet, I know that for the most part, Joe's recorded repertoire consists mainly of tonal and third-stream music. Also, I've never heard Star-Child, but I'm assuming from my study of the composer in question that this piece is characteristically styled in his method of composition, i.e. dispensing with melody and harmony and instead working with layers, textures, and moods. Can anyone confirm my guess as to the nature of the piece? -Aaron Roth This year there is a special nominee! 1. Crumb: Star-Child George Crumb, composer (Joseph Alessi, trombone; Susan Narucki, soprano; Various Artists; Warsaw Phil. Cho.; Thomas Conlin; The Warsaw Phil. Orch.) Track from: George Crumb: 70th Birthday Album, Star-Child [Bridge Records] To find out more about the awards and this category, please visit: http://www.grammy.com/awards/field26.html Thank You. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 15:39:08 -0500 From: "Nobuaki Seki" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Looking for live performance on Jan. 22nd in Orlando Message-ID: <009001c07825$402d2f40$34d851d1@tp560> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ?Hi Listers, I'll be traveling to Orlando, FL on Jan. 22nd and 23rd. My main purpose is to try Lawler trombones however I'd like to listen to good music on 22nd night. Do you have some suggestion? I like jazz very much. Thank you in advance. Nobu Seki Dublin, OH ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 16:04:03 -0500 From: "Nobuaki Seki" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Bore size variation in small bore range Message-ID: <009301c07825$458c0060$34d851d1@tp560> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ?Hi listers, I just wanted to hear your opinions regarding bore size variation not for large but small between maybe .485 and .509. What kind of tendency would be thought for volume range, flexibility, timbre, response speed etc.....? I'm not asking which is best. I just want to know its tendency if it exists. I'll try .490, .490/.500, .500 and .508 by myself at Lawler Trombone late this month then I 'll write something to the list. Thank you in advance. Nobu Seki Dublin, OH ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 16:11:32 EST From: PyroGuy211@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Courtois trombones Message-ID: <9b.f27c9f8.2788e404@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9b.f27c9f8.2788e404_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline Hey list, I recently bought the end bell section(you know-the part where the the bell flares out and the sound actually comes out of) i was wondering if any of you had any backround info on it-There are several dates listed on it and the first one reads 1855 in a small circle-i also need to know if there are any of the main bell sections out there(the tuning slide area ect...) along with the slide(I would rather have the whole set)-John Upchurch who i bought it form put the end bell section on the main bell area of a trombonename that i have never heard of-it starts with a B(i dont know what the word is-) ans has an & sign with another word after that-if that confuses you all just let me know- i would like to play this but with a student model blessing slide and the weird main bell part it doesnt exactly sound wonderful. I know the courtois should sound good because my private tutor David Fairchild(I know you know him Tom Gibson) said that they usually sound great I appreciate any comments or information you have on this. Michael Hyman ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 16:29:48 -0600 From: "ksdowdy" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Low humor and the battle of the sexes Message-ID: <001801c07830$2e942d00$9c47263f@m2y9x8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave wrote: > > Well, enough seriousness. Personally I think that, given equal a > opportunity, women can be just as annoying as men. But they smell better. > Not always. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 14:46:55 -0800 From: "Joe L. Norcross" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Gardell Simons Message-ID: <008f01c07832$940494c0$3637a5d1@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit According to the Rehrig Encyclopedia on page 693 his dates are 1878-1945, he died in Miami FLA Joe L. Norcross Tuba: Visalia CA Sequoia Winds, Visalia Brass Band Tuba and Announcer: Kingsburg City Band joetuba@lightspeed.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 8:40 AM Subject: Gardell Simons > Hello there! > > Do you know or can you find the dates (birth and death) for Gardell Simons? I > recently played Atlantic Zephyrs on a recital, but could not find his dates. > Cal Berkeley doesn't know, the Library of Congress doesn't know, and I can > only speculate that he left the country during W.W.II and died in Europe. > > He played 1st trombone with the Philadelphia orchestra from 1915-1930, but > nobody in Philly seems to have his dates. > > Thanks for your help. Best regards. > > Don Benham > Patten College > 2433 Coolidge Avenue > Oakland, CA 94601 > (510) 534-0990 - home > (510) 534-9500 - music office > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:32:11 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Required audition solo (was: Sachse) Message-ID: <20010107013211.35382.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here's another one: a movement from the Eric Culver Suite for unaccompanied bass trombone - maybe the Dance movement. Relatively short, tuneful, technically challenging and shows off a wide range. On the Kennedy Center Orchestra audition they're asking for the Ewazen Concerto. I'm not sure I think it's a great audition piece, but I'm glad to have a kick in the pants to learn it! Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:35:56 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Required audition solo (was: Sachse) Message-ID: <20010107013556.60498.qmail@web10307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And another thought...one audition I did left the choice of solo up to the player. I think nearly everyone else played the Sarabande from the 5th Bach Cello Suite. I played Ray Premru's unaccompanied bass trombone piece (the name is escaping me at the moment - Introduction and Dance?). I made the finals, and was very happy to, but the first thing they did when I came back was ask me what that piece was, and ask me to continue it from the point they stopped me before. I guess they were curious, and that may have helped me advance, but I didn't win the job... Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:34:18 -0600 From: "Hal Starkey" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Re: Open Horn Sounds Message-ID: <009601c07852$55dbe660$0c381b41@KSCABLE.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: January 06, 2001 9:42 AM Subject: RE: Open Horn Sounds > While I don't have the recording in from of me, I know the one I own is of the NYP, Bernstein and Joe playing the solos. I think it was recorded right after he joined the orchestra in the mid-80's. The cover page of the CD notes lists Joe as a soloist, supposedly at Bernstein's request since he was so taken by Joe's performance. > > Pete Eiden Hi Listers- This reminded me of an Alessi master class I attended about 10 or so years ago. It was at the music hall of a Midwestern university. Trombone students had prepared solos to play with Alessi observing on stage. None of the students were particularly outstanding, but Alessi was very generous with his time, ideas and input to motivate each students further attempts. The last performer was a guy who was not a student, but was the recent winner in the local orchestra 2nd trombone auditions. He was cocky and smugly strode onto the stage. He arrogantly stood center stage staring at the audience until he was sure to have everyone's attention. (Maybe he was taught by a trumpet player.) Anyway, his selection was the Mahler 3rd. This guy played it, and he played it LOUD. While this was going on Alessi was kind of shuffling around the stage looking at the floor. When the kid finished (with Maynard Ferguson bravura) Alessi said, "Well, at least he played all the right notes." He then calmly picked up his trombone, stood in front of the kid, and played the solo all over again. It wasn't all that loud, but it was full of drama, expression and great feeling! When Alessi finished there was applause, whistles and cheers from the audience. It was a truly a remarkable performance. And it was the end of that kids lesson. Hal PS I've not heard Bernstein's NYP recording. I'm sure Alessi was great on it. The only recording I have is an old Leinsdorf BSO probably from the 1960's. I haven't listened to it in years but I'm sure the solo was good. I don't know who played it. Any ideas Mr. Yeo? ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 02:41:08 From: "Scott Furness" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: FS: various trombone CD's Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Folks, I'm selling the following CD's: Absolute Trombone (w/ Urbie Green, Michael Davis, Jim Pugh, Conrad Herwig, John Fedchock, David Taylor, Steve Turre, Joe Alessi and many others!!!) Matt Niess and the Capitol Bones - My Favorite Things Christian Lindberg - The Sacred Trombone Christian Lindberg - All the Lonely People Michael Davis - Bonetown Arthur Pryor - Trombone Soloist of Sousa's Band Branimir Slokar - Trombone Concertos Ralph Sauer - Orchestral Excerpts for trombone I'd like $48 (+ $4 postage) for the whole set. If there are no takers after a couple of days, I'll consider selling them individually. Thanks for your interest, Scott _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 20:05:32 -0800 From: David Oliver To: Trombone List Subject: Pliskin Mouthpiece Fix Works Message-ID: <3A57EB0B.912BC837@accessnetusa.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I gotta give credit where credit is due. Dan Pliskin recommended carefully tapping with a hammer to "pound down" any rough spots on the rim of the mouthpiece after mine slipped and fell on my ceramic tile floor - rim down of course. Well, it worked and the mouthpiece is very playable now. You'll need to re-polish with Wright's to remove the cloudiness from the area tapped down, but once you do that it'll look much better - almost like new. David Oliver Broomfield, Colorado USA Trombone, Denver Concert Band ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 05:06:44 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: mouthpiece buzzing Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html >Andy Walls >My wife and I were just planning to go skiing tonight and now I'm scared. I >have graduate school auditions these next two months. Now I'm torn. Do I >throw caution to the wind, cancel altogether, or pay 60 bucks to go slowly on the bunny slopes? I certainly donât recommend skiing in more difficult terrain than youâre able, but my experience is that the steeper the slope the EASIER it is to ski. On steep slopes skiing becomes more like a controlled fall, where it takes almost no effort to more your skis. Similarly, on bumpy slopes, you scarcely have to lift your skis, because your skis are often unweighted. Now you did say skiing and not snowboarding. Snowboarders fall all the time. Itâs part of the fun and part of the danger and, as a result, youâre more likely to injure your hands on a snowboard. On skis, youâre more likely to injure your legs. Great choice, isnât it. DanP Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 05:20:20 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Mahler 3, was Re: Open Horn Sounds Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html >It's just that when you're old enough to remember >hearing Ostrander play Miraculous Mandarin (He played his butt off, BTW!) Ouch! That must have been painful. I canât imagine having to sit in the back and count out hundreds of measures, with no padding at all. Ouch! DanP Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 00:24:05 -0500 From: Randy Campora To: glangfur@yahoo.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Required audition solo (was: Sachse) Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010107001234.0098d510@mail.telephonet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Let's not forget that St Louis required the 1st movement of the Strauss Horn Concerto #1 on their last bass trombone audition. I did not take that audition but have been working with my students on this piece this past semester and the more I play that the more I think it's a fine choice for an audition solo: the committee knows it, they know how long it is, when to stop you if they have heard enough and it covers all the bases in terms of sound, pedal Bb to Eb above the staff, lyrical section, articulations. If you play it well, they will forget about "hey, he's playing a horn piece" after the first fanfare and will just enjoy your musical playing and your good sound. And you don't have to change your solo choice if you find out that it's going to be with piano on the final round (that's not usually the case, but I think in the Chicago tenor auditions last time it was). I must cast my vote on the side of discontinuing the strange habit of bass trombonists playing the Bach Sarabande from #5: I don't like to play it at auditions and I don't like to hear it at auditions. It's a masterpiece amongst a pool of masterpieces from the cello suites, but I just don't like it at an audition--it just does not tell me what I need to know about a player. If forced to pick a sarabande, I would pick #2 in d minor for an audition, but I still would steer clear of Bach cello suites at auditions just the same. When candidates play solos that offer almost unlimited musical choices, such as the Bach #5, it just muddies the water for me and I would be better off hearing three more excerpts than to hear the solo in that case. Like Gabe, I have also played one of the Eric Culver unacc. suite at auditions and it works fine, I think it's the mvt called "Dance of the Delicate Sorrows" if I am not mistaken. -Randy Campora ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Randy Campora, Bass Trombonist Baltimore Symphony Orchestra Peabody Conservatory of Music campora@peabody.jhu.edu 410-461-1984 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 00:34:10 -0500 (EST) From: Eugene Grissom To: Donbenham3@aol.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Gardell Simons Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Don, Gardell Simons (1878-1945) There is quite a g bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbood article on Simons in Pioneers In Brass by Glenn D. Bridges (Sherwood Publications: Detroit, Michigan (1963) . According to the article Simons died in Miami., FL in 1945 at the age of 65. If you can't find the book in your library get back to me and perhaps I can zerox two or three pages for you. Eugene E. Grissom / Professor Emeritus Executive Director / Frank Rosolino Memorial Scholarship On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 Donbenham3@aol.com wrote: > Hello there! > > Do you know or can you find the dates (birth and death) for Gardell Simons? I > recently played Atlantic Zephyrs on a recital, but could not find his dates. > Cal Berkeley doesn't know, the Library of Congress doesn't know, and I can > only speculate that he left the country during W.W.II and died in Europe. > > He played 1st trombone with the Philadelphia orchestra from 1915-1930, but > nobody in Philly seems to have his dates. > > Thanks for your help. Best regards. > > Don Benham > Patten College > 2433 Coolidge Avenue > Oakland, CA 94601 > (510) 534-0990 - home > (510) 534-9500 - music office > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 05:36:49 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Bore size variation in small bore range Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html >I just wanted to hear your opinions regarding bore size variation not >for large but small between maybe .485 and .509. What kind of tendency >would be thought for volume range, flexibility, timbre, response speed Iâve been playing small-bore horns lately and I find that there are two major things to look for. The first is what size bell do you want? Iâve got small bore horns with bells that range from 7 inches to 8 inches. I think that the smaller bells give the horn a more whispery/growly sound. That sound may just be that you can hear more of the high frequencies, coming out of the bell, but I like it. The second thing to consider is how heavy the hand slide is. I think that a lot of what makes the tone comes from the rigidity of the hand slide. The stiffer the hand slide the purer the tone. Lately, I prefer Bueschers. They have heavy slides and smaller bells. Iâm not at all trying to suggest that you SHOULD want a horn with a heavy slide and small bell, I just think that those two parameters greatly effect the tone and should be considered, in choosing an instrument. DanP Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 00:39:39 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: Subject: Re: mouthpiece buzzing Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010107003404.01f62ca0@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:52 AM 1/6/2001 -0500, Jen and Andy Walls wrote: James, James, James, My wife and I were just planning to go skiing tonight and now I'm scared. I have graduate school auditions these next two months. Now I'm torn. Do I throw caution to the wind, cancel altogether, or pay 60 bucks to go slowly on the bunny slopes? Now, now, now. Get a hold on reality, friend. The following body parts are optional: Ankles Kneecaps Spleen Appendix Femurs and tibias Isle of Langerhans Brain (most of it) Left elbow Everything on the left hand except the thumb and a whole lot more When you get down to it, the essential bits are (in priority order) Lips Lungs Right wrist That's pretty much it. So the odds are that if you mess something up skiing, it will be on the list of non-essentials. Relax and have a good time skiing. :) Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 00:39:02 EST From: JFBermann@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Open Horn Sounds Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ed Herman, who lives down the street from me did record the Mahler 3 with Bernstein as well as Joe Alessi, who recorded the most recent version with Bernstein and the New York Phil. Bernstein recorded it as a guest conductor of the Philharmonic. The section of Pulis, Haney, and Ostrander was indeed an excellent one. Pulis was replaced by Ed Herman, and Allen Ostrander by Don Harwood. Ed Erwin, and Gil Cohen were also members of the section. Jim Bermann ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 02:04:37 -0500 From: "Paul D. Kemp Jr." To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: New Thread--Gabriel Masson recording of the Defaye Deux Danses Message-ID: <004a01c07878$19c7b160$a3511a3f@pauljr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01C0784E.300FD4E0" Dear listers, This question is geared basically towards the older members of the list (lets say, to be safe, 50 or older). BeforeÊI ask this question, I feel compelled to give some history. I was stationed at the Armed Forces School of Music in Norfolk, Va. from the end of 1978 to about June of 1979. For those of you who have attended this school, you know that it has quite a recording library. One recording that I just about wore out was a 7", 33ipsÊLP entitled DEMONSTRATING THE SELMER TROMBONE. (This was before Selmer purchased Vincent Bach. ) On one side of the recording was Gabriel Masson, who was at that time the solo trombone of the Paris Opera. Defaye wrote the Deux Danses for him. To say the least, I have YET to hear anyone play the Defaye Deux Danses any better than what I've heard on this recording, and it demostrates the possibilites of the ultimate lyricism of the trombone. Any of you older list members who have this recording stored away somewhere can readily attest to what I've just said. On the other side was the Dondeynne Quartet, and I don't know who the players were. Again, magnificent playing. Now, for my question. If any of you out there still have this recording, would you be so kind as to make me a copy of it? You can reply to me off listÊif you desire. I'll be more than happy to buy the tape. Now, for you younger players, should you stumble across this archaic recording, DON'T PASS IT UP WITHOUT LISTENINGÊTO IT. If I'm not mistaken, Mr. Masson was playing a.525 bore instrument, the predecessor of theÊBach 36. Thank you, Paul Kemp Chattanooga Symphony www.trbnplyr.com ÊÊ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 02:22:12 -0500 From: "Aaron Roth" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Required audition solo (was: Sachse) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed The piece to which Gabe was referring in his second post, if I have a functional memnory, is the Prelude and Dance by Premru. That's the one that has the quartal figures in the beginning part and goes into the quick 3/4, right? I've looked through it and it looks like an enjoyable choice for a recital component as well as an audition piece. I just tuned back in to the thread, so I may have missed several critical points. Did anyone mention the Sonata Breve, the piece I think I've never seen for an orchestral audition but have seen as a choice for every college audition? What about the Lebedev Concerto? I've heard mention of that as a possible audition piece (or at least a choice excerpt of it). Say, I heard the Galliard Sonata #1 played on a bassoon about 6 weeks ago. For some reason, it didn't sound very convincing....Yep, I'm a trombone player, no matter what happens to my chops. Thought I'd mention, I've been doing better recently in that department, and although I've changed my major to B.A. away from Performance, I have every intention of taking a career of a performer sometime. In addition, I'm looking at my first publication in terms of writings...sorry, a percussion piece. ;) But I might be putting an undergraduate/advanced high school level trombone quartet on the block, for anyone possibly interested in such a corner of the market. And on to greater things.... past his bedtime and with a pizza, Aaron Roth P.S. I hope to avoid ever playing the Bach Sarabande at an audition. Not bad music at all, but Professor Campora gave the reasons against it much more eloquently than could I. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 02:28:28 -0500 From: "Aaron Roth" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: New Thread--Gabriel Masson recording of the Defaye Deux Danses Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed This is the type of thing that makes me wish ardently for a record player...a three-speed multisize, no less. Maybe we could all chip in and pay a record label to reissue something like this?? I wonder if it's stored away in a vault somewhere deep in an abondoned Selmer fortress.... -Aaron Roth Original message: Dear listers, This question is geared basically towards the older members of the list (lets say, to be safe, 50 or older). Before I ask this question, I feel compelled to give some history. I was stationed at the Armed Forces School of Music in Norfolk, Va. from the end of 1978 to about June of 1979. For those of you who have attended this school, you know that it has quite a recording library. One recording that I just about wore out was a 7", 33ips LP entitled DEMONSTRATING THE SELMER TROMBONE. (This was before Selmer purchased Vincent Bach. ) On one side of the recording was Gabriel Masson, who was at that time the solo trombone of the Paris Opera. Defaye wrote the Deux Danses for him. To say the least, I have YET to hear anyone play the Defaye Deux Danses any better than what I've heard on this recording, and it demostrates the possibilites of the ultimate lyricism of the trombone. Any of you older list members who have this recording stored away somewhere can readily attest to what I've just said. On the other side was the Dondeynne Quartet, and I don't know who the players were. Again, magnificent playing. Now, for my question. If any of you out there still have this recording, would you be so kind as to make me a copy of it? You can reply to me off list if you desire. I'll be more than happy to buy the tape. Now, for you younger players, should you stumble across this archaic recording, DON'T PASS IT UP WITHOUT LISTENING TO IT. If I'm not mistaken, Mr. Masson was playing a.525 bore instrument, the predecessor of the Bach 36. Thank you, Paul Kemp Chattanooga Symphony www.trbnplyr.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:33:46 -0800 From: "Michael Towe" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: New Thread--Gabriel Masson recording of the Defaye Deux Danses Message-ID: <000a01c0787c$2c54b2c0$03000004@oemcomputer> Hiya Folks, Maybe a bit off topic but while looking through the Grammy site I was pleasantly surprised to see that BB King was nominated for his Let The Good Times Roll album which is a tribute to the music of Louis Jordan. It is nice to see some Jump Blues stuff get the recognition it so strongly deserves. All the rock and roll cats need to pay some respect to guys like Jordan, Big Joe Turnner, Wynonnie Harris and all the other Jump Blues acts that started it. And so that I keep it a bit on topic who else has heard some of Vic Dickensen's playing while with Big Joe?? This guy makes sound that I never knew were possible on a trombone. Some of the strange vibrato and note bending he does makes me think he spent hours rolling his lips through a laundry ringer, talk about Mr. Flexi Lips. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Abueid@aol.com To: Trombones and related issues forum. Date: Saturday, January 06, 2001 10:30 AM Subject: Joseph Alessi and a Grammy Nominee! >List Members, > >Category 97 Grammy Nominee > >97. Best Classical Contemporary Composition- > >A Composer's Award. (For a contemporary classical composition composed within >the last 25 years, and released for the first time during the Eligibility >Year.) > >This year there is a special nominee! > >1. Crumb: Star-Child >George Crumb, composer (Joseph Alessi, trombone; Susan Narucki, soprano; >Various Artists; Warsaw Phil. Cho.; Thomas Conlin; The Warsaw Phil. Orch.) >Track from: George Crumb: 70th Birthday Album, Star-Child >[Bridge Records] > >To find out more about the awards and this category, please visit: > >http://www.grammy.com/awards/field26.html > >Thank You. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1915--