TROMBONE-L Digest 1912 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Casals Bach Suites by Douglas Yeo 2) RE: Looking for Solo Accompaniment at Grade 3 Level by "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" 3) Low humor and the battle of the sexes by Dave Molter 4) Tuning by Dave Molter 5) Looking for vocal music by Peter Soukup 6) Re: Looking for vocal music by Peter Soukup 7) Re: Tuning by Walter Barrett 8) Re:Where & What did you play New Years by "Denver D. Seifried" 9) Re: "The Sims" by "Tom C. Shaddox" 10) James Pankow - Chicago Arrangements? by sgreatwood@goconnect.net (Simon Greatwood) 11) Re: Titles by "Tom C. Shaddox" 12) quadro for sale by Neobopr@aol.com 13) RE: What a way to go... by "Wessner, John" 14) RE: brass player culture was Womanly mouthpieces by "Richardson, Tim" 15) Re: What a way to go... by Gary Sloane 16) Re: brass player culture was Womanly mouthpieces by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 17) Re: Where & what did you play New Year's Eve? (Time for a new thread) by "Emil & Cynthia Orth" 18) For Michigan/N. Ohio listers only by "Christopher Smith" 19) Re: Where and what did you play for New Years by psoukup@mindspring.com 20) RE: Where & what did you play New Year's Eve? (Time for a new thread) by "Daniel P. Sniderman" 21) RE: Mass transit to gig by Peter_Eiden@prenhall.com 22) RE: Gatemouth Longboy by Mike Loewen 23) Re: Mass transit to gig by "Gary D. Maxwell" 24) Re: Where & what did you play New Year's Eve? by "Neal Schermerhorn" 25) euphonium by "John Palmer" 26) Sackbut, serpent, Schickele and more by Douglas Yeo 27) Re: Titles by David Buckley 28) Bach correction by Douglas Yeo 29) Re: Titles by "Tom C. Shaddox" 30) Spelling (was Re: Titles) by Listmonitor Trombone-L 31) RE: Sackbut, serpent, Schickele and more by "Joshua A. Sticklor-Lipson" 32) Re: What a way to go... by "Nanette L. Kappus" 33) Re: Spelling (was Re: Titles) by David Buckley 34) Re: James Pankow - Chicago Arrangements? by "Dean McCarty" 35) Re: Sackbut, serpent, Schickele and more by "Dennis Clason" 36) RE: brass player culture was Womanly mouthpieces by Craig Parmerlee 37) RE: Sackbut, serpent, Schickele and more by Douglas Yeo 38) Ernst Sachse? by Douglas Yeo 39) Re: Ernst Sachse? by "Chuck De Paolo" 40) Re: Spelling (was Re: Titles) by "Billy Cordova" 41) Re: Ernst Sachse? by Anders.Carlsson@gfs.gu.se (Anders Carlsson) 42) Re: Titles by MasterCoda@aol.com 43) Re: Ernst Sachse? by Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur 44) Re: Ernst Sachse? by "Benedikt J. Dietrich" 45) Re: Where & what did you play New Year's Eve? (Time for a new thread) by "Tom Izzo" 46) Re: Sackbut, serpent, Schickele and more by Larry White 47) Re: Ernst Sachse? by Tim Dowling 48) Re: Sackbut, serpent, Schickele and more by "Jac Grimes" Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:28:12 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Casals Bach Suites Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The recordings of the Bach Cello Suites by Pablo Casals are the stuff of legend. Recorded in the 1930's when he was at the top of his playing, they were the first recordings ever made of the Suites, in fact, Casals may have been the first cellist in history to have performed a complete Suite in public. Casals interpretation is very free, a lot of rubato, and a very personal interpretation - not to everyone's taste, for sure, but one which gives we trombonists the confidence for the freedom we need to breathe and add rubato in order to make them work. I've had the Casals recordings on LP for years (first bought them in the early 1970's) and while in Tower Records yesterday I happened upon a new (2000) CD release of them on Naxos (8.110915-16). The transfers were done by Ward Marston and this is truly magnificent. The sound is clear and rich and have the full body old EMI recordings were famous for. There are several bonus tracks as well, some short Bach pieces with piano, including the Air from Suite 3 (trombonists know it as the "Arioso" from Henry Charles Smith's "Solos for the Trombone Player"). The sound on the tracks with piano is not as good, being recorded in the 1920's, but they are very valuable for hearing Casals work with an accompanist. The good news is that this 2 CD set was marked at $11.99. The even better news is when I got to the register, it rang up at $8.99. For the price of a couple of cups of coffee and a donut, you can have one of the most famous recordings ever made of music which is utterly transcendent. It wouldn't be the only recording of the Suites I'd want to own (see some other recommendations and discussion at http://www.yeodoug.com/bachsuites.html), but this recording is certainly essential to our understanding of them and of the world of performance practice. Forkel, Bach's first biographer, wrote that Bach's music: "is not merely agreeable, like other composers', but transports us to the regions of the ideal. It does not arrest our attention momentarily but grips us the stronger the oftener we listen to it so that, after a thousand hearings, its treasures are still unexhausted and yield fresh beauties to excite our wonder." It sure does. Enjoy. -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:06:36 -0600 From: "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" To: "'bmroberts@iquest.net'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Looking for Solo Accompaniment at Grade 3 Level Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bart: Another issue to consider as you choose your piece. Most younger players haven't played behind a soloist yet. We had Ron Wilkins play "Silent Night" with our first HS concert band. Ron played the piece strongly and beautifully, but the hall and the students were just too loud for the softer parts of the piece. Ask your director to work on this aspect with the students, but this might sway you from one piece to another. Hopefully this will cause you less 'accom-pain'. :-). Rick Marple San Antonio TX -----Original Message----- From: Bart Roberts [mailto:bmroberts@iquest.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 6:18 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Looking for Solo Accompainment at Grade 3 Level Dear List Members, I have been asked by one of the HS Directors that I teach lessons for to solo with his top concert band. I consider this to be a big honor for me and I want to do something that shows myself off and the kids, but doesn't not take a ton of preperation on their part. Being a young trombonist I'm not sure what the best solos would be to pick from. The difficulty level of the solo is not a concern. I am worried about the difficulty level of the accompainment. To use a grading system I am looking for any solos that are no harder than a grade three plus. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Bart M. Roberts Trombonist Cardinal Brass Quintet Assistant Director of Bands Graduate Assistant Ball State University ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 09:09:02 -0500 From: Dave Molter To: trombone-L Subject: Low humor and the battle of the sexes Message-ID: <3A53327D.23837262@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Listers: Jennifer & Gabe picked up on my initial thread about the teasing of a female bass trombonist by her male colleagues. Having spent years as a rock musician, I can assure you that sexism is around and healthy in all forms of music. Proof of this is in a statement like "she plays guitar like a man." Anyway, I just want to point out that in my musical travels, I've learned that women can be equally as crude as men, and sometimes even more so. Not being a woman, I will never be privy to whether this kind of attitude is common when a group is composed of women only or if this particular female persona is something they exhibit only when in mixed company, one that has been developed after years of being forced to cope with men, who have the unique ability to combine arrogance with stupidity, be aware of it, and yet refuse to change. Jennifer, as for beer-swilling, all I can say is that using too much of anything that alters your senses and slows your response time can't make you a better player, male or female. It may make you think you're better, but a recording of your performance will show you the error of that thought. Well, enough seriousness. Personally I think that, given equal a opportunity, women can be just as annoying as men. But they smell better. Dave Molter -- not a girl ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 09:16:14 -0500 From: Dave Molter To: trombone-L Subject: Tuning Message-ID: <3A53342E.4DD30702@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looks like my questions about tuning on bass have prompted a discussion about tuning in general. This reminds me that about a year ago, I mentioned that when I play my Bach 36 or my King 3B, I routinely have my tuning slide out farther than the rest of the section. Many listers replied that they, too, pull their slides out farther with these horns. >From the comments on today's list, it appears that one thing is certain: no two horns are the same; no two players are the same. OK, so TWO things are certain. I guess the bottom line for me is that as long as I can get the horn in tune, I'm happy. Not being able to pull the tuning slide out or push it in far enough is obviously a bad problem, but as long as I play in tune with the band, I'm not going to lose sleep over 1/2". I have yet to have anyone come up to me and say, "You know, the resonance of your horn is just destroyed because you have the tuning slide out farther than the factory intended." One further update on my tuning experiments with the Duo Gravis: after I have played for about 30 minutes, my pitch comes up to the point that the horn is in tune and maybe even slightly sharp in first position, but the larger the mouthpiece, the flatter I stay. I played most of yesterday switching between the Schilke 58 and the Doug Yeo Replica and, at the end of each session, the Yeo was consistently more flat than the Schilke. But I expect that because it's a bigger, deeper piece. Next topic: lip transplants -- are they for you?. Dave Molter ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 08:33:44 -0600 From: Peter Soukup To: Trombone-L List Subject: Looking for vocal music Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I tried this once before, does it get stopped if it's about vocal music? I am seeking a vocal aria, called "O Cessate di Piagarma" It was in an Alfred Publishing piece called "5 Short Arias", but it seems to be out of print. I have checked with Hickey's, but they don't have it. They are trying to order it, but, as I said, it seems to be out of print. Does anybody else know where it might be purchased? Pete Soukup psoukup@mindspring.com Grand Avenue Big Band The Moonlighters The Houndz St. Andrew's Brass Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble DuPage Symphony Orchestra (alternate) West Suburban Symphony (alternate) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 08:42:57 -0600 From: Peter Soukup To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Looking for vocal music Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit It's by Scarlatti. Oops. Peter Soukup psoukup@mindspring.com > From: Peter Soukup > Reply-To: psoukup@mindspring.com > Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 08:33:44 -0600 > To: "Trombones and related issues forum." > Subject: Looking for vocal music > > I tried this once before, does it get stopped if it's about vocal music? > > I am seeking a vocal aria, called "O Cessate di Piagarma" > > It was in an Alfred Publishing piece called "5 Short Arias", but it seems to > be out of print. I have checked with Hickey's, but they don't have it. > They are trying to order it, but, as I said, it seems to be out of print. > > Does anybody else know where it might be purchased? > > Pete Soukup > psoukup@mindspring.com > Grand Avenue Big Band > The Moonlighters > The Houndz > St. Andrew's Brass > Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble > DuPage Symphony Orchestra (alternate) > West Suburban Symphony (alternate) > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 09:46:48 -0500 From: Walter Barrett To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Tuning Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 1/3/01 9:16 AM, Dave Molter at kingbone@earthlink.net sent forth into the cosmos: > One further update on my tuning experiments with the Duo Gravis: after I > have played for about 30 minutes, my pitch comes up to the point that > the horn is in tune and maybe even slightly sharp in first position, but > the larger the mouthpiece, the flatter I stay. I played most of > yesterday switching between the Schilke 58 and the Doug Yeo Replica and, > at the end of each session, the Yeo was consistently more flat than the > Schilke. But I expect that because it's a bigger, deeper piece. > > Next topic: lip transplants -- are they for you?. > > Dave Molter > Hey, Dave! Next time you play on the Duo, try this... Check to make sure that you don't pucker up with the mpce., like you're going to plant a smooch on it (an exaggeration, but a good mental image). Keep your lips flat, or even slightly curled in, like you're saying MMMMM, as in "Mmmmm, mmmm, this beer is tasty!" (Mandatory low brass player beer reference...) (If you change from a pucker to flat lips, you get that digeridoo effect, always good for a chuckle) I get a lot of kids who pucker and play flat on low notes, and this usually takes care of it. It may be that you notice it more on bass, because the larger diameter mpce. means more unsupported lips. To summarize, flat lips, no making out, and as always, more air! Let me know how this goes... Walter Barrett Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:48:14 -0500 From: "Denver D. Seifried" To: "trombone-l" Subject: Re:Where & What did you play New Years Message-ID: <000701c07594$346640e0$3a69fea9@jay> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was lucky enough to play New Years Eve at the Toledo, OH "First Night" New Years Eve Celebration. This is an alcohol-free celebration for the entire family. The band I played bass trombone with, was the Runyon-Jay Big Band, and we performed in the Windham Hotel. The best part of the evening was that I was able to play along side of a great trombone playing friend of mine, Frank North, from Bowling Green State University. We went to BGSU together from 1960-64, and after graduation, we went on our separate ways in the music business. We have worked together several times,again, and it is just like 35 years ago. Happy New Year to all members of the trombone-l. What a great way to begin the New Year-playing the trombone-with great old friend! Denny Seifried Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 09:02:07 -0600 From: "Tom C. Shaddox" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: "The Sims" Message-ID: <3A533EEF.596374B1@fnc.fujitsu.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a post titled "...New Year's Eve", Matt wrote in part: >FWIW, I stuck to my LAST years' "challenge" to spend less time on the >computer and more time practicing. Although I just got "The Sims" for my >birthday so ignoring the computer is going to be difficult for a while. Matt, If you get one of your Sims to start playing the trombone, I for one would be interested in their progress. Tom Shaddox, 9th chair tenor ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 02:04:53 +1100 From: sgreatwood@goconnect.net (Simon Greatwood) To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: James Pankow - Chicago Arrangements? Message-ID: <3a533f41.19690893@mail.goconnect.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Are any of these available commercially, especially those from "Night & Day" from about 1994. In particular, I'm looking for the funky arrangement of "Blues in THe Night" by Johnny Mercer. The horn lines are fantastic. Thanks Simon ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 09:10:20 -0600 From: "Tom C. Shaddox" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Titles Message-ID: <3A5340DC.5495E5D2@fnc.fujitsu.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a post titled "Chat Room", Peter wrote in part: >Peter >Principle Tenor Trombonist, Taylor High School Band and Orchestra (Houston >area). >(sorry, I wanted a title like everyone else...) Yep, been there. Tom Shaddox Principle Trombone, Punsutawney Phil Richardson PVC Trombones Performing Artist ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 10:13:02 EST From: Neobopr@aol.com To: Subject: quadro for sale Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello fellow listers and Happy New Year! I had this sliver plated-.508 bore quadro on ebay as an auction. My reserve was $500. I'm willing to take less than that but more than the final bid price of $372. If anyone out there is interested email me privately. Excerpted from the ebay comments: This beauty just isn't what I need. Hopefully it is something that you want though. The slide is doubled back on itself making 4 sliding parts instead of the standard 2, hence the name Quadro. This also makes all the positions half the normal distance. A perfect horn for a small beginner. Also a perfect horn for marching season-no more worrying about your slide since it is so short. It comes with the pictured, custom Protec case. View it here: http://slideadams.webjump.com/dscf0012.jpg Thanks, Jeff Adams ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:53:43 -0500 From: "Wessner, John" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: What a way to go... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I saw this in the paper this AM. I still think Doc Cheatam went best. He played with good young musicians, at a major venue. "Told lies" for an hour afterwards with the boys, and then died in his sleep. jw -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Yeo [mailto:yeo@yeodoug.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 5:29 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: What a way to go... It's really quite a story (not humorous, but still quite a story...): http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/01/02/orchestra.death.ap/index.html -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:58:19 -0500 From: "Richardson, Tim" To: "'JennWhaa@aol.com'" , trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: brass player culture was Womanly mouthpieces Message-ID: <21E592FA8BA7D311B5B100062B001FE206F12A1D@LEE2> Part of it is youth. Part of it is that brass players have tended to be male, woodwinds have tended to be female, and males tend to be more publicly crude. Maybe we don't get more females in the sections BECAUSE the males have never been taught how to behave. Whoops, that's a little harsh. But it might be truer than we realize. In 1996 on this list there was a thread about Credo. Please don't anybody bring that back up again. hey, light bulb just went off! Now I understand why nobody would contribute a haiku (except Doug Yeo, thank you) this last time. Being trombone players, the highest form of humor would have to be the limerick. Yes I've contributed a few of those to the list over the years also, but I find haiku a little easier. yours, tim richardson > -----Original Message----- > From: JennWhaa@aol.com [SMTP:JennWhaa@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 11:16 PM > To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu > Subject: Re: brass player culture was Womanly mouthpieces > > In a message dated 1/2/2001 9:07:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, > glangfur@yahoo.com writes: > > << > And this kind of humor, so prevalent among brass > players who are often otherwise reasonably > well-educated, thoughtful musicicans, REALLY irritates > me. It goes right along with the mock gay-voice that > so many male brass players tease each other with and > the cultivation of an adolescent, beer-swilling > persona. >> > > While we are on the topic, I have a theory. The lower the instrument, the > > more grotesque the humor. Being on the bottom end has conditioned me and > I > can deal with almost any comment thrown at me. In fact, I can gross out > most > of my colleagues (should I be proud of that?). One of my favorites is, > and > this relates to the beer-swilling persona, is that I would be a better > player > if I drank more beer. I haven't put it to the test - but the field of the > > beer consumption of female bass trombonists and how it affects their > playing > is a popular one. I am sure that there will be an article on the OTJ > sometime very soon. Entitled "How Guinness Helped Me Get A Gig". > > Back to drinking my six-pack before my warm-up. > > Jennifer Wharton > Founding member of the American Drinking Team ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:00:08 -0800 From: Gary Sloane To: Earl Needham , trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: What a way to go... Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Let's see: Collapse after playing a flawless solo? How much better does it get...given that we've all got to go sometime? Personally, I cringe at the mention of "In the Mood", but how about a few flawless choruses of "Central Park West"? Beats Hospice by a mile. At 4:03 PM -0700 1/2/01, Earl Needham wrote: At 05:28 PM 1/2/01 -0500, Douglas Yeo blasted the following out into the ether: It's really quite a story (not humorous, but still quite a story...): http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/01/02/orchestra.death.ap/index.html -Doug Yeo How weird! James M. Tuozzolo, 57, apparently suffered a heart attack Sunday night while the orchestra was closing its concert with Glenn Miller's "In the Mood." The New Year's Eve concert at the War Memorial Theater attracted an audience of about 1,800 people. "He stood, played the solo flawlessly, and then sat down," said John Peter Holly, the orchestra's executive director and conductor. "A few seconds later, he dropped the trumpet and fell on the floor." Kinda makes you wonder -- did he play with a lot of pressure? Maybe a lot of volume? Did he play some incredible high note on the end and sit down? Man, I need to rethink all those high note contests between me and the lead trumpet player...I win about half of them, BTW... Not kidding at all, Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) -- Gary Sloane "A gentleman should play the flute sloane@batnet.com but not too well." --Aristotle ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:05:11 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: richardt@lee.army.mil, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: brass player culture was Womanly mouthpieces Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tim, I think that the purveyors of hate are at work in this too. I know as a child a lot of the hate I picked up I did because I was accepting of this from others.. Earlier in the thread someone mentioned the conversations that women have with women and expressed the thought that this same kind of unwholesome behaviour was present there too. Yes it is. TV likes to spread it. In the arts of which t-bone playing is part of... a lot of this conduct is excused because "Artists" are like that. Differences are the excuse. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:01:21 -0600 From: "Emil & Cynthia Orth" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Where & what did you play New Year's Eve? (Time for a new thread) Message-ID: <004801c075af$2f029980$82731818@midsouth.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01C0757C.E33A09C0" Happy N.Y. all...I played a posh dinner club...in a quintet. Me/trombone, girl singer and three rythym from 8/30 til' 12/30. Played 51 tunes and got plum tuckered in the chops. Emil ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:13:43 -0000 From: "Christopher Smith" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: For Michigan/N. Ohio listers only Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi, This is a fun weekend for one of the hippest big bands you'll ever hear. The Bird of Paradise Orchestra, a vital, LIVING big band featuring virtuoso musicians playing material from the entire history of jazz with an emphasis on the present and future (with tons of original tunes and arrangements in the book), will be rocking out this weekend, details below. The trombone section is myself, Gene Bartley, Brooks Barnes. Hope to see some of you there! Chris HAPPY BIRTHDAY BOPO! The 15 piece Bird of Paradise Orchestra will proudly celebrate their 12th birthday by performing at their home, the Bird of Paradise Jazz Club on Friday, January 5 and Saturday, January 6, 2001. The BOPO will present an exciting and eclectic program of original, classic and obscure big band material from the entire history of jazz. The Bird of Paradise Jazz Club is located at 312 S. Main Street right in the heart of downtown Ann Arbor, MI. Showtimes are 9:30 PM, 11:00 PM and 12:30 AM. The Bird's phone number is 734/662-8310. The Bird of Paradise Orchestra has played almost every Monday at the Bird since January of 1989! That's over 600 Mondays! Whew! The BOPO still plays every Monday at the Bird from 9:00 PM till midnight. Make it part of your Monday night thang. Additionally, the BOPO is still recovering from their whirlwind tour of Spain. The BOPO's successful tour included sold out concerts (2300-2400 people) in Barcelona, Madrid and Tarragona. Come on down to the Bird the first weekend of 2001 and welcome the BOPO back home, have a drink and some birthday cake and enjoy some great big band jazz! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 13:20:03 -0500 From: psoukup@mindspring.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Where and what did you play for New Years Message-ID: I played at a resort in Wisconsin, only a two hour drive for me from the Chicago suburbs, for a party with dinner and drinks, you know, where they pre-sell the tickets? The band was an 8 piece, with tpt, bone, sax, and half of us, (including me) were subs. We sight-read the parts and I made more on a single gig than I ever have before. (Of course, probably not if you go by the hour...) The people loved us. I enjoyed it also. I always wonder what a little rehearsal would do for gigs like that. Fact is, especially with them drinking, the public generally is not very discriminating... Am I being unkind? Pete Soukup ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:26:32 -0600 From: "Daniel P. Sniderman" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Where & what did you play New Year's Eve? (Time for a new thread) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C07580.680CB1E0" I went for the high fun Ð medium pay route. Played at AndyÕs (one of ChicagoÕs better rooms for Jazz) with Sam Burkhardt on tenor, Doug Angelaccio on alto, and Bob Carter (drums)Ð two very good friends of mine. We played in a Jump Blues Band in Õ97 and Õ98 when that when that was the trendy thing Ð but this was a mostly jazz gig. I didnÕt know the rest of the rhythm section Ð but they all played very well. IÕve done plenty of high-paying ÒJobbingÓ gigs Ð but was so glad I didnÕt do that this year. I had a wonderful time playing SamÕs originals and Jazz Standards (Sam is very seriously into Duke Ellington). They had sold out all the tables and bar stools Ð but was otherwise uncrowded. We had a very gracious audience. I had a wonderful time playing great music with both good, old friends, and some new ones Ð before an appreciative audience. We did a lot playing Ð 8:30pm Ð 1:00 am Ð with only three twenty-minute sets Ð but I enjoyed every minute of it. Dan Sniderman ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: 03 Jan 2001 13:36:52 -0500 From: Peter_Eiden@prenhall.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Mass transit to gig Message-ID: <"/GUID:QAl0xaCPh1BGZNQBgCI2PYQ*/G=Peter/S=Eiden/OU=exchange/O=pearsontc/PRMD=pearson/ADMD=telemail/C=us/"@MHS> There's been a fair amount of debate over the merits of the BucketBoss Gatemouth Longboy toolbag as an mute and accessory bag lately. I like the looks of it and know it works well for a friend of mine so I decided to look around for one. Everywhere I looked it was available for around $50.00. Then I stumbled onto http://www.expendol.com/bucket_boss.htm (Filmtools online)where the entire series of BucketBoss bags is available. I ordered a GateMouth LongBoy for $35.99 + $6.50 shipping from CA to NJ. They list it as a January special - regular price $49.99. If you are interested, check it out. FWIW, Pete Eiden ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:44:44 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Loewen To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Gatemouth Longboy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 3 Jan 2001 Peter_Eiden@prenhall.com wrote: > decided to look around for one. Everywhere I looked it was available > for around $50.00. Then I stumbled onto > http://www.expendol.com/bucket_boss.htm (Filmtools online)where the > entire series of BucketBoss bags is available. I ordered a GateMouth > LongBoy for $35.99 + $6.50 shipping from CA to NJ. They list it as a > January special - regular price $49.99. You can also buy them online direct from Bucket Boss for $35.99, regular price: http://www.bucketboss-store.com/ I've been using mine for several months, and I like it. It will hold my Jo-Ral Cup, Bucket and Tom Crown straight bass trombone mutes inside, and my Manhasset bass trombone stand on the outside straps. Mike Loewen The Dixie Lion Jazz Band mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us http://ripsaw.cac.psu.edu/dixie.html ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 10:56:35 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: Peter_Eiden@prenhall.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Mass transit to gig Message-ID: <3A5375E3.6F91D185@bcsd.k12.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a small word to the wise: The G. L. is Dark Tan (?) and Dark Green. Symphony "purists" WILL point out the fact that it is not SYMPHONIC BLACK and they will not hesitate to inform you that it is to left off stage and out of sight. This will be done as they unload their own instruments from tan, brown, gray, and several variances of "tweed" cases, because they MUST have THEM at their chair at all times. Just want to prepare you all. For me? The next mute bag they see will be my BRIGHT RED w/ WHITE CROSS, EMS Bag! Gary Maxwell Bass Trombone Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra ============================================================== Peter_Eiden@prenhall.com wrote: > > There's been a fair amount of debate over the merits of the BucketBoss Gatemouth Longboy toolbag as an mute and accessory bag lately. I like the looks of it and know it works well for a friend of mine so I decided to look around for one. Everywhere I looked it was available for around $50.00. Then I stumbled onto http://www.expendol.com/bucket_boss.htm (Filmtools online)where the entire series of BucketBoss bags is available. I ordered a GateMouth LongBoy for $35.99 + $6.50 shipping from CA to NJ. They list it as a January special - regular price $49.99. > > If you are interested, check it out. > > FWIW, > > Pete Eiden ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:59:46 -0500 From: "Neal Schermerhorn" To: , Subject: Re: Where & what did you play New Year's Eve? Message-ID: <006c01c075b7$8553cae0$d92c96d1@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Played with the band (Brass Attack of MA) at a gorgeous hotel in West Springfield. 3 sets of dance music, I play trombone and a little bari sax with them. Great food, our significant others came along, had a blast. Probably the best New Year's Eve for me yet - and got paid for it to boot! (We play there this weekend again - for the very first mayoral inaugural in West Springfield. A little piece of history!) BTW our website is http://www.angelfire.com/ma/brassattack I'm not in the main picture, it's a few years old. I'm in a few of the more recent ones... Neal Schermerhorn ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:21:25 -0500 From: "John Palmer" To: "Trombone List Contributions" Subject: euphonium Message-ID: <00a601c075ba$5dc91540$bb17e218@kico1.on.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Listers: Happy New year to all. I am looking for a good used pro model 4 valve compensating euphonium. If anyone knows of any available, I would be pleased to find out. Thankyou. John Palmer Kingston ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:52:30 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Sackbut, serpent, Schickele and more Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I was off list around Christmas, but haven't hear anyone else mention the hilarious "Christmas Carol Composition Duel" between Bill McGlaughlin and Peter Schickele on "A Prairie Home Companion" on December 23, live from Town Hall in New York City. It was a stich, featuring new compositions by McGlaughlin and Schikele - arrangements of a Christmas carol by each on "neglected instruments" selected by the OTHER composer. McGlaughlin wrote "Coventry Carol for Neglected Instruments" for tenor viol, theorbo, cornetto (Allan Dean) and sackbut (David Taylor); Schickele (in his PDQ Bach guise) wrote "Two and a Half Variations on In Dulci Jubilo" for soprano crummhorn, serpent (Thomas Zajac), koto and musical saw. You can hear the whole show at: http://phc.mpr.org/performances/20001223/index.shtml This particular segment can be heard by itself as well, it comes at the beginning of the second half of the program at 1:11:11. Well worth hearing, and a great bit of fun. -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 14:59:29 -0500 From: David Buckley To: Tom.Shaddox@fnc.fujitsu.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Titles Message-ID: <3A5384A1.C51A7E14@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually you are the Principal, not principle unless of course you are the conscience of the section. Dave. "Tom C. Shaddox" wrote: > In a post titled "Chat Room", Peter wrote in part: > > >Peter > >Principle Tenor Trombonist, Taylor High School Band and Orchestra > (Houston > >area). > >(sorry, I wanted a title like everyone else...) > > Yep, been there. > > Tom Shaddox > Principle Trombone, Punsutawney Phil > Richardson PVC Trombones Performing Artist ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:01:32 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Bach correction Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" In my earlier post about the Casals recording of the Bach Suites, I mis-spoke when I mentioned that the "Arioso" which appears in the Henry Charles Smith "Solos for the Trombone Player" is the Air from Suite 3 - it is not. Casals recorded the celebrated "Air on a G string. The "Arioso" was taken from Cantata BWV 156, and is an adaptation of work's opening Sinfonia (originally an oboe solo, and later used in the Harpsichord Concerto in F, BWV 1056). Cantata 156, by the way, was written for the 3rd Sunday after Epiphany, which this year falls on January 21. -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 13:59:58 -0600 From: "Tom C. Shaddox" To: David Buckley Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Titles Message-ID: <3A5384BE.C49593D@fnc.fujitsu.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Buckley wrote: > Actually you are the Principal, not principle unless of course you are > the conscience of the section. > > Dave. > Dave, Yes, of coarse. Tom ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:08:15 -0600 From: Listmonitor Trombone-L To: Trombone-L Subject: Spelling (was Re: Titles) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Spell Checker I have a spelling chequer It came with my pea sea It plainly marques four my revue Miss steaks eye cannot sea. When eye strike a quay, right a word I weight four it two say Weather eye am wrong oar wright It shows me strait aweigh. As soon as a mist ache is maid It nose bee fore two late And eye can put the error rite Its rarely, rarely grate. I've run this poem threw it I'm shore your pleased two no Its letter perfect in it's weigh My chequer tolled me sew. -- --------------------------------------- trombone-l digest archives and useful trombone-l information are available at http://www.cjnetworks.com/~tsks ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 16:47:08 -0500 From: "Joshua A. Sticklor-Lipson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Sackbut, serpent, Schickele and more Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Alright, I know what a viol is, as well as a cornetto. Sackbutt is easy, and I've played crumhorn in an early music ensemble before. Likewise, musical saw is self-explanatory. My Question, what is a theorbo and what is a koto? Just curious, Joshua On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:52:30 -0500 Douglas Yeo wrote: > I was off list around Christmas, but haven't hear anyone else mention > the hilarious "Christmas Carol Composition Duel" between Bill > McGlaughlin and Peter Schickele on "A Prairie Home Companion" on > December 23, live from Town Hall in New York City. It was a stich, > featuring new compositions by McGlaughlin and Schikele - arrangements > of a Christmas carol by each on "neglected instruments" selected by > the OTHER composer. McGlaughlin wrote "Coventry Carol for Neglected > Instruments" for tenor viol, theorbo, cornetto (Allan Dean) and > sackbut (David Taylor); Schickele (in his PDQ Bach guise) wrote "Two > and a Half Variations on In Dulci Jubilo" for soprano crummhorn, > serpent (Thomas Zajac), koto and musical saw. > > You can hear the whole show at: > > http://phc.mpr.org/performances/20001223/index.shtml > > This particular segment can be heard by itself as well, it comes at > the beginning of the second half of the program at 1:11:11. Well > worth hearing, and a great bit of fun. > > -Doug Yeo > ********************************************** > * Douglas Yeo * > * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * > * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * > * yeo@yeodoug.com * > * http://www.yeodoug.com * > * <>< * > ********************************************** > ---------- Joshua A. Sticklor-Lipson Bass trombone, James Madison University Bass trombone, Marching Royal Dukes ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 16:54:43 -0500 From: "Nanette L. Kappus" To: sloane@batnet.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: What a way to go... Message-ID: <3A539FA2.A479ADB4@eznet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with Gary ... One Hundred Percent! After watching the ups and downs, both mental and physical , of my Father over the seven years he had Cancer, dying this way would have been wonderful. As he was a "die hard" musician [excuse the pun], I would have rather seen him pass away during ANY solo. By the last five months, he could have been playing the theme song to "Barney" and I would have given him a standing ovation. There are worse ways to die; believe me. Doing so when you are involved with something that you love so much, seems a better way to leave this earth. Nanette BiNaK 495 http://www.binak.com Gary Sloane wrote: > Let's see: Collapse after playing a flawless solo? > How much better does it get...given that we've > all got to go sometime? > > Personally, I cringe at the mention of "In > the Mood", but how about a few flawless > choruses of "Central Park West"? > > Beats Hospice by a mile. > > At 4:03 PM -0700 1/2/01, Earl Needham wrote: > >At 05:28 PM 1/2/01 -0500, Douglas Yeo blasted the following out into > >the ether: > >>It's really quite a story (not humorous, but still quite a story...): > >> > >>http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/01/02/orchestra.death.ap/index.html > >> > >>-Doug Yeo > > > > How weird! > > > >>James M. Tuozzolo, 57, apparently suffered a heart attack Sunday > >>night while the orchestra was closing its concert with Glenn > >>Miller's "In the Mood." The New Year's Eve concert at the War > >>Memorial Theater attracted an audience of about 1,800 people. > >> > >>"He stood, played the solo flawlessly, and then sat down," said > >>John Peter Holly, the orchestra's executive director and conductor. > >>"A few seconds later, he dropped the trumpet and fell on the floor." > > > > Kinda makes you wonder -- did he play with a lot of pressure? > >Maybe a lot of volume? Did he play some incredible high note on the > >end and sit down? Man, I need to rethink all those high note > >contests between me and the lead trumpet player...I win about half > >of them, BTW... > > > > Not kidding at all, > > Earl > > > > > >Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG > >Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) > > > >Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a > >breath, you breathe...) > > -- > Gary Sloane "A gentleman should play the flute > sloane@batnet.com but not too well." --Aristotle ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:11:18 -0500 From: David Buckley To: tsks@cjnetworks.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Spelling (was Re: Titles) Message-ID: <3A53A386.6AA40F4D@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great!!! Dave. Listmonitor Trombone-L wrote: > Spell Checker > > I have a spelling chequer > It came with my pea sea > It plainly marques four my revue > Miss steaks eye cannot sea. > > When eye strike a quay, right a word > I weight four it two say > Weather eye am wrong oar wright > It shows me strait aweigh. > > As soon as a mist ache is maid > It nose bee fore two late > And eye can put the error rite > Its rarely, rarely grate. > > I've run this poem threw it > I'm shore your pleased two no > Its letter perfect in it's weigh > My chequer tolled me sew. > > -- > --------------------------------------- > trombone-l digest archives and useful > trombone-l information are available > at http://www.cjnetworks.com/~tsks ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:35:13 -0600 From: "Dean McCarty" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: James Pankow - Chicago Arrangements? Message-ID: <002d01c075d5$71698b00$330960cc@compaqcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am not sure if they are available, but Shelly Berg did all of the arrangements. He is the pianist for Bill Watrous and also teaches at USC. I am sure that you could reach his through there. Dean McCarty freelance trombonist, Houston area ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Greatwood To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 9:04 AM Subject: James Pankow - Chicago Arrangements? > Are any of these available commercially, especially those from "Night > & Day" from about 1994. In particular, I'm looking for the funky > arrangement of "Blues in THe Night" by Johnny Mercer. The horn lines > are fantastic. > > Thanks > Simon ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:32:06 -0800 From: "Dennis Clason" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Sackbut, serpent, Schickele and more Message-ID: <041501c075dd$62a24dc0$0d2b7b80@nmsu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > My Question, what is a > theorbo and what is a koto? I can't help you with theorbo, but I think it's some sort of stringed bass. I can help you with koto -- it's a Japanese stringed instrument, struck with a plectrum. It has about a dozen strings, and adjustable bridges on each string. Think of a dozen or so monochords all hooked to the same resonator. The whole thing is about 3 feet long, 10 inches wide and 8 inches deep. Think about what you'd have if you combined the disadvantages of a harp and a banjo. That's a koto. That said, P.D.Q. used the koto very effectively, if not very idiomatically. Dennis -- who knows about a little about kotos from his childhood days in the 50th state (where kotos were somewhat more common than hen's teeth). ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:34:18 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: brass player culture was Womanly mouthpieces Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010103173020.01f25fd0@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:58 AM 1/3/2001 -0500, Richardson, Tim wrote: hey, light bulb just went off! Now I understand why nobody would contribute a haiku (except Doug Yeo, thank you) this last time. Being trombone players, the highest form of humor would have to be the limerick. There once was a 'bonist named Mike Hu Whose hobbies were practice and Haiku He'd toot you some notes then cite a few quotes from his po'em if he really liked you. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:35:22 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Sackbut, serpent, Schickele and more Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 4:47 PM -0500 1/3/01, Joshua A. Sticklor-Lipson wrote: Alright, I know what a viol is, as well as a cornetto. Sackbutt is easy, and I've played crumhorn in an early music ensemble before. Likewise, musical saw is self-explanatory. My Question, what is a theorbo and what is a koto? For information about the theorbo, visit: http://www.ellisium.cwc.net/theorbo.htm for koto, visit: http://home.san.rr.com/koto/ -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:51:58 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Ernst Sachse? Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" It's that time of year again, when students start auditioning for summer music programs. Invariably, there are European programs which require the Ernst Sachse "Concertino" as the audition solo. The piece seems to turn up more on bass trombone audition lists than tenor, but it always surprises me that such a dreadful piece can be so popular as a required audition piece. It seems to be particularly popular in Germany, but in the USA it (thankfully) is virtually unknown apart from people who are required to prepare it for an overseas audition. Question: Who in the world was Sachse? And to what do we owe the popularity of his "Concertino?" And, finally, I have worked on it with students only out of necessity (never for recital, ugh!) in the arrangement for bass trombone by Armin Bachmann (pub. Marc Reift) in F major (Bachmann also recorded it on his CD "Fnatastic"). What key is the tenor trombone version in? Does it seem to be as popular in Europe as a tenor trombone piece as it does in its bass trombone incarnation? Wondering... -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:26:07 -0500 From: "Chuck De Paolo" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Ernst Sachse? Message-ID: <007301c075dc$8c6e55f0$0200a8c0@ws2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug, You were right on about which version is more popular. Based on sales stats from 1996 thru to the end of millenium, here's what I found: It is 36.4% as popular as the bass version. (0.3636) It is 8.1% as popular as the Grondahl Concerto. (0.0809) It is 6.1% as popular as the Guilmant Moceau Symphonique. (0.0613) It is 4.9% as popular as the Sulek Sonata. (0.0495) BTW, the tenor version is a fourth higher in Bb. FWIW... In Music, ---Chuck General Manager & Webmaster Hickey's Music Center 104 Adams Street Ithaca, NY 14850 607.272.8262 (Phone) 607.272.2203 (Fax) chuck@hickeys.com (E-Mail) http://www.hickeys.com (Website) http://www.weather.com/weather/us/zips/14850.html (Weather) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Yeo" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 5:51 PM Subject: Ernst Sachse? > It's that time of year again, when students start auditioning for > summer music programs. Invariably, there are European programs which > require the Ernst Sachse "Concertino" as the audition solo. > > The piece seems to turn up more on bass trombone audition lists than > tenor, but it always surprises me that such a dreadful piece can be > so popular as a required audition piece. It seems to be particularly > popular in Germany, but in the USA it (thankfully) is virtually > unknown apart from people who are required to prepare it for an > overseas audition. > > Question: Who in the world was Sachse? And to what do we owe the > popularity of his "Concertino?" And, finally, I have worked on it > with students only out of necessity (never for recital, ugh!) in the > arrangement for bass trombone by Armin Bachmann (pub. Marc Reift) in > F major (Bachmann also recorded it on his CD "Fnatastic"). What key > is the tenor trombone version in? Does it seem to be as popular in > Europe as a tenor trombone piece as it does in its bass trombone > incarnation? > > Wondering... > > -Doug Yeo > ********************************************** > * Douglas Yeo * > * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * > * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * > * yeo@yeodoug.com * > * http://www.yeodoug.com * > * <>< * > ********************************************** > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:44:27 -0600 From: "Billy Cordova" To: "Trombone-L" Subject: Re: Spelling (was Re: Titles) Message-ID: <006501c075df$1c7bb500$84a4b4d0@sfasu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ROTFLMKPAO!!!!!! Billy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listmonitor Trombone-L" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 2:08 PM Subject: Spelling (was Re: Titles) > Spell Checker > > I have a spelling chequer > It came with my pea sea > It plainly marques four my revue > Miss steaks eye cannot sea. > > When eye strike a quay, right a word > I weight four it two say > Weather eye am wrong oar wright > It shows me strait aweigh. > > As soon as a mist ache is maid > It nose bee fore two late > And eye can put the error rite > Its rarely, rarely grate. > > I've run this poem threw it > I'm shore your pleased two no > Its letter perfect in it's weigh > My chequer tolled me sew. > > -- > --------------------------------------- > trombone-l digest archives and useful > trombone-l information are available > at http://www.cjnetworks.com/~tsks ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:57:18 +0200 From: Anders.Carlsson@gfs.gu.se (Anders Carlsson) To: yeo@yeodoug.com (Douglas Yeo) Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu ("Trombones and related issues forum.") Subject: Re: Ernst Sachse? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Douglas Yeo skriver: >It's that time of year again, when students start auditioning for >summer music programs. Invariably, there are European programs which >require the Ernst Sachse "Concertino" as the audition solo. >The piece seems to turn up more on bass trombone audition lists than >tenor, but it always surprises me that such a dreadful piece can be >so popular as a required audition piece. It seems to be particularly >popular in Germany, but in the USA it (thankfully) is virtually >unknown apart from people who are required to prepare it for an >overseas audition. >Question: Who in the world was Sachse? And to what do we owe the >popularity of his "Concertino?" And, finally, I have worked on it >with students only out of necessity (never for recital, ugh!) in the >arrangement for bass trombone by Armin Bachmann (pub. Marc Reift) in >F major (Bachmann also recorded it on his CD "Fnatastic"). What key >is the tenor trombone version in? Does it seem to be as popular in >Europe as a tenor trombone piece as it does in its bass trombone >incarnation? I can only second your opinion about Germany. Here I have never met someone preparing this piece for other reasons than the ones you mentioned above, on tenor or bass. I own a copy of the tenor version and pulled it out but with no info on herr Sachse. I have only seen it required for German auditions, just like you said. I think I bought my copy on a trip to London were music is a lot cheaper compared to Sweden. i played it through a few times and haven't touched it since until five minutes ago. /Anders Carlsson Gothenburg Sweden ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 19:08:54 EST From: MasterCoda@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Titles Message-ID: <69.f4941d0.27851916@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, what would it be if I'm both? The principal principle trombonist? Pete ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 19:54:36 -0500 From: Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur To: yeo@yeodoug.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Ernst Sachse? Message-ID: <3A53C9CC.C769D0E4@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Doug and list, I can contribute very little about the bio or info on Ernst Sachse, however the name did bring to mind some fond memories (believe it or not). I studied for 4 years at McGill University in Montreal under the late, great Ted Griffith former bass trombonist with the Montreal Symphony Orchestra. While I was there he had a small study book published privately by Eaman Music in Montreal. In it were 24 studies by Sachse edited by Ted. There is no information on Sachse in the study book only the dedication to one of Ted's former teachers, James Tamburini. I seem to recall that Tamburini was a trumpet player with the Detroit Symphony some years ago and that was one of Ted's first teachers. Apparently in his studies Ted would go over these Sachse studies and found them very useful and he stuck to them, so much so that he decided to publish them for whoever wanted them. That is all I can contribute to that end. That may or may not open some leads for some interested person to follow. Thanks for reading. Peter Collins Bass Trombone Hamilton Philharmonic Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 06:55:03 -0500 From: "Benedikt J. Dietrich" To: "trombone-l - post message" Subject: Re: Ernst Sachse? Message-ID: <009201c0757c$0506cc60$0302a8c0@iic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi list, I just wasted an hour searching the German web for any information about Ernst Sachse. In the end I found the website of the German archive of musical history, and as I didn't find him there I gave up. I played the concertino once, but didn't work on it any further. I have a tape of German trombonist Armin Rosin (my teacher's former teacher) playing the Sachse Concertino, it is a copy of an LP my teacher owns. May be he knows more, I'll try to get in touch with him (right now I'm in the U.S. as an exchange student). I think I remember him saying that it's from the beginning of the last century. (I 'm probably just making a fool of myself and you all already know that stuff, but what do I know?!) He also said something about many towns at this time having kind of like a "town musician" (brass player). And in order to earn this "degree" you had, besides many other things, to write and perform a concerto. Graefe's Concerto (which I'm preparing for a solo festival right now - any tips?!) seems to have a similar origin. No guarantee that this information is right, I just recalled that from my memory (which isn't that good, particularly at this time of the day (!?!) ). I hope that wasn't too boring, have a happy new year everyone, trombonely, Ben P.S.: From your comments I noticed that you don't particularly like this piece. Why? Is it just not challenging enough for you pro's? Not musically enough? (Again: What do I know?!) ----- Original Message ----- From: Douglas Yeo To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 5:51 PM Subject: Ernst Sachse? > It's that time of year again, when students start auditioning for > summer music programs. Invariably, there are European programs which > require the Ernst Sachse "Concertino" as the audition solo. > > The piece seems to turn up more on bass trombone audition lists than > tenor, but it always surprises me that such a dreadful piece can be > so popular as a required audition piece. It seems to be particularly > popular in Germany, but in the USA it (thankfully) is virtually > unknown apart from people who are required to prepare it for an > overseas audition. > > Question: Who in the world was Sachse? And to what do we owe the > popularity of his "Concertino?" And, finally, I have worked on it > with students only out of necessity (never for recital, ugh!) in the > arrangement for bass trombone by Armin Bachmann (pub. Marc Reift) in > F major (Bachmann also recorded it on his CD "Fnatastic"). What key > is the tenor trombone version in? Does it seem to be as popular in > Europe as a tenor trombone piece as it does in its bass trombone > incarnation? > > Wondering... > > -Doug Yeo > ********************************************** > * Douglas Yeo * > * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * > * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * > * yeo@yeodoug.com * > * http://www.yeodoug.com * > * <>< * > ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:24:13 -0600 From: "Tom Izzo" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Where & what did you play New Year's Eve? (Time for a new thread) Message-ID: <011101c0760e$93cd5120$ac75dfd0@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_010E_01C075DC.4847E4E0" Emil, Happy N.Y. all...I played a posh dinner club...in a quintet. Me/trombone, girl singer and three rythym from 8/30 til' 12/30. Wow! August 30th to December 30th?!~!!!!!! I'm impressed! You must have some chops! :-) Played 51 tunes and got plum tuckered in the chops. Emil I'll bet! ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:54:37 -0800 From: Larry White To: yeo@yeodoug.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Sackbut, serpent, Schickele and more Message-ID: <3A54101D.3D966FA0@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Doug for your link to the theorbo. With it I went back one page and linked up with a psaltery (sp?) as well as many other very beautiful looking and intriguing stringed instruments. Larry White Douglas Yeo wrote: > For information about the theorbo, visit: > > http://www.ellisium.cwc.net/theorbo.htm > > for koto, visit: > > http://home.san.rr.com/koto/ > > -Doug Yeo > > ********************************************** > * Douglas Yeo * > * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * > * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * > * yeo@yeodoug.com * > * http://www.yeodoug.com * > * <>< * > ********************************************** > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 08:49:59 +0100 From: Tim Dowling To: yeo@yeodoug.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Ernst Sachse? Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010104084959.007974a0@pop.casema.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >From the liner notes of JŸrgen Heinel's recording of Sachse in Bb (coupled with David, Reiche, and GrŠfe), the only info is that Ernst Sachse, had the title Oberstabstrompeter and that the original was for trombone and military band, which would seem to indicate that he was a military musician. No dates provided. Just one of very many pieces in this style from 19thC Germany. I think it's popularity as an audition piece in Germany is due basically to an unwillingness to depart from tradition. Same reason David is always asked for for tenor. Mostly one must play Bozza's New Orleans as well (at least). Perhaps the Sachse IS useful. It takes a very special talent to make some music of it after all. And it does show up woolly sound and articulation. Is there a version of David in F for bass trombone? Surely a better choice. Tim Dowling Residentie Orchestra The Hague At 17:51 01/03/01 -0500, Douglas Yeo wrote: > >Question: Who in the world was Sachse? And to what do we owe the >popularity of his "Concertino?" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 03:46:11 -0500 From: "Jac Grimes" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Sackbut, serpent, Schickele and more Message-ID: <0d3f01c0762a$cc474260$a8c65818@triad.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Doug, I'm up all night with a sick child and this was just what I needed. I especially got a kick out of the comment about the serpent being called such because it can play "scales". You made my night a little lighter. Thanks -Jac ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Yeo" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 2:52 PM Subject: Sackbut, serpent, Schickele and more > I was off list around Christmas, but haven't hear anyone else mention > the hilarious "Christmas Carol Composition Duel" between Bill > McGlaughlin and Peter Schickele on "A Prairie Home Companion" on > December 23, live from Town Hall in New York City. It was a stich, > featuring new compositions by McGlaughlin and Schikele - arrangements > of a Christmas carol by each on "neglected instruments" selected by > the OTHER composer. McGlaughlin wrote "Coventry Carol for Neglected > Instruments" for tenor viol, theorbo, cornetto (Allan Dean) and > sackbut (David Taylor); Schickele (in his PDQ Bach guise) wrote "Two > and a Half Variations on In Dulci Jubilo" for soprano crummhorn, > serpent (Thomas Zajac), koto and musical saw. > > You can hear the whole show at: > > http://phc.mpr.org/performances/20001223/index.shtml > > This particular segment can be heard by itself as well, it comes at > the beginning of the second half of the program at 1:11:11. Well > worth hearing, and a great bit of fun. > > -Doug Yeo > ********************************************** > * Douglas Yeo * > * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * > * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * > * yeo@yeodoug.com * > * http://www.yeodoug.com * > * <>< * > ********************************************** > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1912--