TROMBONE-L Digest 1911 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Tom Izzo? was Wycliffe Gordon by "Tom Izzo" 2) Excellent new book by Douglas Yeo 3) Re: Flatness & Embouchure by Galen Zinn 4) Sharpness in Bach 36B by sgreatwood@goconnect.net (Simon Greatwood) 5) Re: Sharpness in Bach 36B by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 6) Re: K&M / UMI Stands by Galen Zinn 7) Online Trombone Journal Classifeds Update by Chris Waage 8) Womanly mouthpieces by Dave Molter 9) Re: Womanly mouthpieces by Earl Needham 10) Re: K&M / UMI Stands by "Chuck De Paolo" 11) A Great Quote by Chris Waage 12) Re: brass player culture was Womanly mouthpieces by Gabriel Langfur 13) My method book, "The American Trombone" (Sam Burtis) by sabutin@mindspring.com 14) Fwd: brass player culture was Womanly mouthpieces by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 15) Re: What did you play for Christmas by "Tom C. Shaddox" 16) M=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=ller quartet books by Peter Ellefson 17) Where & what did you play New Year's Eve? (Time for a new thread) by "Jac Grimes" 18) =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20M=FCller=20quartet=20books?= by "Thomas Smee" 19) Court Humor by aceftd@aztec.asu.edu (FRANK T. DARMIENTO) 20) Where & what did you play New Year's Eve? by BassBonist@aol.com 21) RE: Another Great Quote by "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" 22) What a way to go... by Douglas Yeo 23) Re: What a way to go... by Earl Needham 24) Leadpipes ( again - again) by Lisa Nelsen 25) Re: M=?ISO-8859-1?B?/A==?=ller quartet books by Peter Ellefson 26) Looking for Solo Accompainment at Grade 3 Level by "Bart Roberts" 27) Re: Where & what did you play New Year's Eve? (Time for a new thread) by "Paul Hill" 28) Re: Looking for Solo Accompainment at Grade 3 Level by "Dean McCarty" 29) Re: Where & what did you play New Year's Eve? (Time for a new thread) by "Hector Bourg Jr." 30) Re: Leadpipes ( again - again) by "stevencarr" 31) Trombone-L chat room / help wanted by MasterCoda@aol.com 32) Re: brass player culture was Womanly mouthpieces by JennWhaa@aol.com 33) Re: Where & what did you play New Year's Eve? by JennWhaa@aol.com 34) Re: Where & what did you play New Year's Eve? by Tbcwes@aol.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 08:20:04 -0600 From: "Tom Izzo" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Tom Izzo? was Wycliffe Gordon Message-ID: <007a01c074c7$1a834ba0$1cb54a3f@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Beck > > I had the pleasure of hearing Mr. Gordon play at MSU (alternate trombone > content - we have Tom Izzo as a basketball coach - how does he find the > time?). Multitasking! Works every time. AND I have Basketballs of every shape and size. The Piccolo Basketball, inflates in 1.2 sections. THe Double Contrabass BB, tho, takes 7 hrs of of warm air. Happy New Year all. Tom (The original) Izzo ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 08:43:18 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Excellent new book Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'd like to bring to your attention (if you are not already aware of it) a new book which may interest many. Clifford Bevan is well known for all the right reasons - a respected professional tubist (formerly of the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic), a player of serpent and ophicleide (member of the London Serpent Trio), scholar (PhD from London University) and author (of "The Tuba Family," first edition published in 1978). He has now undertaken a thorough revision and expansion of his book "The Tuba Family" (second edition) which is now one of the most comprehensive historical books of its kind. At 639 pages, the new edition of "The Tuba Family" contains the most copious information about the tuba and its predecessors (including serpent, bass horn, ophicleide) as well as its many cousins (cimbasso, euphonium, helicon, etc). The book spends careful attention on the instruments used in various countries during history and provides practical solutions for modern performance problems. As such, and because of the depth of Bevan's scholarly work (which is nearly breathtaking in its detail), "The Tuba Family" does not compete with the mammoth "Tuba Source Book" but rather augments it, being primarily a book of history. The book is full of photographs, historical drawings, and fascinating appendices which detail information on historic players, patents, a comprehensive bibliography and much more. I know of no other book on a particular instrument which treats its subject so thoroughly (and with a frequent sense of humor); I highly recommend it. The book may be ordered directly from the author (it is published by Bevan's own company, Piccolo Press, in England) with the following payment options: ===== Payment in U.S. $: A check for $60 for each copy and made out to PICCOLO PRESS (price includes air mail shipping from England to North American addresses) should be sent with the order to: Piccolo Press, P.O. Box 50613, Columbia, SC 29250, U.S.A. Payment in £ sterling: A cheque/postal order/money order/postal giro for £35 for each copy and made out to PICCOLO PRESS should be sent with the order to: Piccolo Press, 10 Clifton Terrace, Winchester, Hampshire, SO22 5BJ, England. ===== I have had this book for about 3 weeks now, and confess that I am unable to read more than 10 pages or so at a sitting - by that time, I have a full page of notes I've taken of music I must investigate, other books I must read, or instruments I must see. It am quite certain it will give you many hours of pleasure as well. Enjoy, and spread the word! -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 05:58:25 -0800 From: Galen Zinn To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Flatness & Embouchure Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I switched from tenor to bass trombone within the past couple of years. I have noticed that I usually have to have the tuning slide nearly all the way in, whether I use a Greg Black mouthpiece or a Yamaha Doug Yeo signature mouthpiece. I have also noticed that when I use a Greenhoe valve section I must pull the F and Gb tuning slides out an inch or more, while leaving the main tuning slide nearly all the way in. On the other hand, when I use a Thayer valve section the F and Gb tuning slides only need to be pulled about the same as the main tuning slide (very little). Maybe I don't know where to properly set the F and Gb tuning slides on either valve section? This problem exists on a Shires inline G/Gb bass trombone. Years and years ago, I had a similar problem (not being able to pull the tuning slide much at all) while using an Olds Recording tenor with the Olds 3 mouthpiece and/or a Bach 6 1/2 AL mouthpiece. So maybe I should have my tuning slides cut down? Galen Zinn E-mail: zinger@musician.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 01:22:58 +1100 From: sgreatwood@goconnect.net (Simon Greatwood) To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Sharpness in Bach 36B Message-ID: <3a52e2a3.1402270@mail.goconnect.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Listers, This talk about Dave's Duo Gravis has made me think of my Bach 36B from the early-mid 70s. Using almost any mouthpiece - from a 12C Benge, to a marcinkiewicz 10, to a Bach 3, i routinely play with the tuning slide about 4/5 of the way out! The only times I have been withing 3cm (a bit over an inch...) is using a bach 5 megatone. it is possible that the leadpipe may be slightly worn out, but a friend of mine who has a similar vintage 36B says he has the same tuning problem. it's a pain in the neck when playing hot gigs (just done a pub gig - the day's top temp was about 38 deg Celcius and the pub had little air-con - different horn though.) It's also throwing the rest of teh positions out of wack, as the horn is significantly longer than it was designed to be, so the bell is all over the shot as a reference point, which is still getting me, after owning it for over a year! This horn was purchased new in Australia in the early 70s. is it possible that it was built with some shortened tuning slide to play at some horrific high pitch? Or should I get the leadpipe checked out? it looks reasonably good from looking through it though. ANy ideas? Thanks, Simon ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:35:24 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: sgreatwood@goconnect.net, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu, TubaEuph@egroups.com Subject: Re: Sharpness in Bach 36B Message-ID: <21.584a2de.2783412c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a 1947 Pan American a 1970's Bundy (Bach design) and a 1983 Conn Director. I use Bach 12 MPC Conn 12MPC Bach 7C and Bellaire 43. Each instrument has to have the tuning slide pulled 4/5th of the way out to be in tune. This is the same with each MPC the only differences are the way the instruments reach to opening the registers. The 43 is high register both Conn and Bach 12's are middle register and the Bach 7c opens and makes the lower (below bass cleff staff) register more open and non stuffy. The 7c has a larger shank and different back bore than the others. Tuning remains the same. However the 4 pos D shifts in and out depending on MPC used. beldon wade PS Tuba Euph... This discussion on tbone list deals with flatness or sharpness of various horns. mpcs lead pipes etc. The Bell Aire 43 is a Euph mouthpiece I learned to Play Euph with. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 07:07:25 -0800 From: Galen Zinn To: Trombone List Subject: Re: K&M / UMI Stands Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > on 12/31/00 7:46 PM, MikeSuter@AOL.COM at MikeSuter@AOL.COM wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > << For you bass trombone players the K&M bass bone stand is designed for the > larger bells and . . . the UMI stand just doesn't compare to it. >> > > I completely agree with Dean on this. I've been using my K&M since 1989. In > that time my horn has not incurred ANY stage/stand related damage. It's paid > for itself many times over. > > All The Best, > Mike Suter > Slidewerke > PrimeSlide Design > Where can I see one of these K&M bass bone stands on the internet? I'm trying to determine whether I already have one or if I have the UMI. What's the difference? The UMI and Manhasset bass bone stands that I have are the biggest, beefiest, I've seen in use by anyone. Are you sure that UMI doesn't also sell the K&M bass bone stand with UMI stamped on it? Galen Zinn E-mail: zinger@musician.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:24:56 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Online Trombone Journal Classifeds Update Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Happy New Year from the Online Trombone Journal! Did you get everything you wanted for Christmas? If not, it might just be in the OTJ Classifieds! The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds (http://www.trombone.org/classifieds) have been updated as of 8:55 a.m. CST on Jaunary 2, 2001 with 14 new ads. OTJ Instrument Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/instruments.asp OTJ Accessory Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/accessories.asp OTJ Music Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/music.asp To place an ad: http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/adform.asp If you have any questions or comments about the Online Trombone Journal Classifieds, please contact me at chris@trombone.org. Chris -- _________________________________________ Chris Waage chris@trombone.org Associate Webmaster The Online Trombone Journal http://www.trombone.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 10:28:18 -0500 From: Dave Molter To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Womanly mouthpieces Message-ID: <3A51F393.B915FE13@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was told that a local female bass trombonist was teased by male players (all using Schilke 60s) because her Schilke 59 was "a chick mouthpiece." Proof that a 60 makes it easier to launch low blows, I guess. Dave Molter ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 09:04:51 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Womanly mouthpieces Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010102090348.00a60530@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:28 AM 1/2/01 -0500, Dave Molter blasted the following out into the ether: I was told that a local female bass trombonist was teased by male players (all using Schilke 60s) because her Schilke 59 was "a chick mouthpiece." Oh really? Here's an answer -- What does George Roberts (AKA "Mr. Bass Trombone") use for a mouthpiece? I've always been told is a Bach 1 1/2 G. Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 11:26:51 -0500 From: "Chuck De Paolo" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Re: K&M / UMI Stands Message-ID: <01c501c074d8$cfe4a500$0200a8c0@ws2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The UMI stand of fame is a black painted, slightly altered version of K&M's model 14990.000.01 chrome stand. K&M has discontinued the chrome stand in the US, most likely because the UMI version has become so popular. The UMI version is actually slightly different, with a slightly more aggressive stance due to a well placed bend in each lower leg. The "Bass Trombone" stand by K&M is not associated with UMI at all. It's easily recognizable by the BIG wooden bell cone. Personally I prefer the UMI stand described above over the "official" bass trombone stand any day of the week, due to the whole bell cone assembly. The wooden cone's a nice gesture, but it's not as stable as the rubber job on the UMI. Yes, it fits the bell better, but it also has a tendency to allow the horn to rotate on the stand whereas the rubber cone does not. Put your 16"/45cal bass on the UMI stand and it won't rotate around the compass looking for the low spot. Someone mentioned a "cast iron base" model like a mic stand. From what I know and see in the K&M catalog, there is no such beast. K&M *does* however make a pair of stands with quick folding tripod legs like those found on mic stands. These are their models 14985.000.55 (black) and 14985.000.15 (brasstone). FWIW--- (please quote this message if you reply) In Music, ---Chuck General Manager & Webmaster Hickey's Music Center 104 Adams Street Ithaca, NY 14850 607.272.8262 (Phone) 607.272.2203 (Fax) chuck@hickeys.com (E-Mail) http://www.hickeys.com (Website) http://www.weather.com/weather/us/zips/14850.html (Weather) ----- Original Message ----- From: Galen Zinn To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 10:07 AM Subject: Re: K&M / UMI Stands > > > > on 12/31/00 7:46 PM, MikeSuter@AOL.COM at MikeSuter@AOL.COM wrote: > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > << For you bass trombone players the K&M bass bone stand is designed for the > > larger bells and . . . the UMI stand just doesn't compare to it. >> > > > > I completely agree with Dean on this. I've been using my K&M since 1989. In > > that time my horn has not incurred ANY stage/stand related damage. It's paid > > for itself many times over. > > > > All The Best, > > Mike Suter > > Slidewerke > > PrimeSlide Design > > > > Where can I see one of these K&M bass bone stands on the internet? I'm > trying to determine whether I already have one or if I have the UMI. What's > the difference? The UMI and Manhasset bass bone stands that I have are the > biggest, beefiest, I've seen in use by anyone. Are you sure that UMI doesn't > also sell the K&M bass bone stand with UMI stamped on it? > > Galen Zinn > E-mail: zinger@musician.org > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:47:28 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: A Great Quote Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" "It is the supreme art of the teahcer to awaken joy in creative expression and knowledge." -- Albert Einstein ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:06:35 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: brass player culture was Womanly mouthpieces Message-ID: <20010102170635.91924.qmail@web10301.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Molter wrote: > > I was told that a local female bass trombonist was > teased by male > players (all using Schilke 60s) because her Schilke > 59 was "a chick > mouthpiece." Proof that a 60 makes it easier to > launch low blows, I guess. > > Dave Molter Dave, thank for bringing this up - it's a topic I think about (maybe a little too much). I'm sure they intended this as a joke, but I just don't think it's funny, and I'm sure the woman it was directed to didn't think it was funny either. And this kind of humor, so prevalent among brass players who are often otherwise reasonably well-educated, thoughtful musicicans, REALLY irritates me. It goes right along with the mock gay-voice that so many male brass players tease each other with and the cultivation of an adolescent, beer-swilling persona. And also the utter disrespect of the conductor as authority figure, etc. etc. I know I may be stretching the connections, but I think these things come together as a package, and it often turns into a really ugly package. I don't think I'm the only one who's noted this. See Doug Yeo's article on his website - I think it's called something like "Me, Myself & I", about ensemble skills and the "balkanization" of the orchestra. "It's only a joke...don't take it so seriously." But humor has power, and words have TREMENDOUS power - we think in language, and the language we use determines the way we think (sorry, my English Major is showing). I think it behooves us to think about what we're doing, what we're trying to accomplish, and how we're served by the kind of humor we practice and the kind of language we use. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 12:15:12 -0500 From: sabutin@mindspring.com To: jjlist@egroups.com Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: My method book, "The American Trombone" (Sam Burtis) Message-ID: <200101021716.MAA20581@hall.mail.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello all, and Happy 2001!!! Many of the people on these lists (trombone-l, J.J. Johnson list) have expressed interest in checking out my trombone method book over the past year, so I figure this would is the most efficient way to reach you. (My apologies to those among you who are getting this general email in a couple of different forms.) I have finished writing the book, and am in the process of taking care of all the ancillary tasks involved in publishing and distributing it...learning html code to build a webpage, researching bindings, covers, payment options and methods, printers, papers, mailing and packaging options, etc... This task is proving to be more complicated and time consuming than I had first envisioned, and yesterday, as I sat at my computer on the first day of the first year of the REAL new millennium ( 2001=Year 1 in my book ) laboriously constructing a webpage, it occurred to me that since I do indeed HAVE a book in usable form, why not sell it as simply as I can while I spend the weeks (months?) necessary to prepare a more complicated system ? Soooo...I am offering this book, entitled "The American Trombone" to you in the simplest form possible...over 200 pages with hundreds of musical examples, in a 3 ring binder, no fancy cover or illustrations, signed by me, paid for by check or money order (no credit cards until my website is up and running). If you're interested, please send a $49.95 check or money order, (made out to Sam Burtis), to this address: Sam Burtis P.O. Box 194 Hastings-on-Hudson New York, 10706 BE SURE TO INCLUDE YOUR MAILING ADDRESS, PLEASE, and another reliable way to get in touch with you as well...phone, email, something. (I will be using the U. S. Postal Service, so post boxes will be OK.) If you want it shipped outside the continental United States, get in touch with me before you send any payment and I'll find out how much more it will cost to ship it to you. (Shouldn't be TOO much more, unless you're in Antarctica or somewhere else totally inaccessible.) In this book I cover in great detail my approach to embouchure and range (including mouthpiece buzzing and free buzzing), slide technique, alternate positions, tonguing, a general approach about how to structure practice around certain scalar constructs, and a whole lot of good stories about how players really think. It is, in my opinion, well worth the $49.95, and once I add all the bells and whistles to the book, I might be forced to charge more...dunno yet, gotta do more research on the matter. If for some reason anyone finds the book NOT to be worth the price they paid, simply send it back to me in the same condition it was shipped, and I'll refund your money PLUS the return shipping. (Can't ask for a better deal than that.) If the book pleases you or helps you in any way, all I ask is that you tell other trombonists about it. Word of mouth among the community of committed trombonists is probably the best advertising medium I could possibly hope for. Anyway...again, have a great year. (I LOVE New Year's Eve...great holiday, great idea, isn't it ???) Later... Sam Burtis ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:22:10 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu, TubaEuph@egroups.com Subject: Fwd: brass player culture was Womanly mouthpieces Message-ID: <84.f805190.27837652@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_84.f805190.27837652_boundary" In a message dated 1/2/01 12:07:36 PM US Eastern Standard Time, glangfur@yahoo.com writes: his kind of power cost us one of the greatest womens' voices of all Time. Karen Carpenter ..... the comment about the "fat" sister. Does one need to say more??? beldon wade << Subj: Re: brass player culture was Womanly mouthpieces Date: 1/2/01 12:07:36 PM US Eastern Standard Time From: glangfur@yahoo.com (Gabriel Langfur) Sender: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Reply-to: glangfur@yahoo.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu (Trombones and related issues forum.) --- Dave Molter wrote: > > I was told that a local female bass trombonist was > teased by male > players (all using Schilke 60s) because her Schilke > 59 was "a chick > mouthpiece." Proof that a 60 makes it easier to > launch low blows, I guess. > > Dave Molter Dave, thank for bringing this up - it's a topic I think about (maybe a little too much). I'm sure they intended this as a joke, but I just don't think it's funny, and I'm sure the woman it was directed to didn't think it was funny either. And this kind of humor, so prevalent among brass players who are often otherwise reasonably well-educated, thoughtful musicicans, REALLY irritates me. It goes right along with the mock gay-voice that so many male brass players tease each other with and the cultivation of an adolescent, beer-swilling persona. And also the utter disrespect of the conductor as authority figure, etc. etc. I know I may be stretching the connections, but I think these things come together as a package, and it often turns into a really ugly package. I don't think I'm the only one who's noted this. See Doug Yeo's article on his website - I think it's called something like "Me, Myself & I", about ensemble skills and the "balkanization" of the orchestra. "It's only a joke...don't take it so seriously." But humor has power, and words have TREMENDOUS power - we think in language, and the language we use determines the way we think (sorry, my English Major is showing). I think it behooves us to think about what we're doing, what we're trying to accomplish, and how we're served by the kind of humor we practice and the kind of language we use. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (rly-zd04.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.228]) by air-zd03.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 12:07:36 -0500 Received: from po.missouri.edu (po.missouri.edu [128.206.12.137]) by rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 12:07:02 -0500 Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by po.missouri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA03389; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 11:07:00 -0600 Received: from web10301.mail.yahoo.com (web10301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.79]) by po.missouri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA03296 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 11:06:35 -0600 Received: from [207.172.11.233] by web10301.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 09:06:35 PST Message-Id: <20010102170635.91924.qmail@web10301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:06:35 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: glangfur@yahoo.com Sender: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Precedence: bulk From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: brass player culture was Womanly mouthpieces MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-To: "Trombones and related issues forum." X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >> Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (rly-zd04.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.228]) by air-zd03.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 12:07:36 -0500 Received: from po.missouri.edu (po.missouri.edu [128.206.12.137]) by rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 12:07:02 -0500 Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by po.missouri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA03389; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 11:07:00 -0600 Received: from web10301.mail.yahoo.com (web10301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.79]) by po.missouri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA03296 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 11:06:35 -0600 Received: from [207.172.11.233] by web10301.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 09:06:35 PST Message-Id: <20010102170635.91924.qmail@web10301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:06:35 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: glangfur@yahoo.com Sender: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Precedence: bulk From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: brass player culture was Womanly mouthpieces MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-To: "Trombones and related issues forum." X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN X-Mailer: Unknown --- Dave Molter wrote: > > I was told that a local female bass trombonist was > teased by male > players (all using Schilke 60s) because her Schilke > 59 was "a chick > mouthpiece." Proof that a 60 makes it easier to > launch low blows, I guess. > > Dave Molter Dave, thank for bringing this up - it's a topic I think about (maybe a little too much). I'm sure they intended this as a joke, but I just don't think it's funny, and I'm sure the woman it was directed to didn't think it was funny either. And this kind of humor, so prevalent among brass players who are often otherwise reasonably well-educated, thoughtful musicicans, REALLY irritates me. It goes right along with the mock gay-voice that so many male brass players tease each other with and the cultivation of an adolescent, beer-swilling persona. And also the utter disrespect of the conductor as authority figure, etc. etc. I know I may be stretching the connections, but I think these things come together as a package, and it often turns into a really ugly package. I don't think I'm the only one who's noted this. See Doug Yeo's article on his website - I think it's called something like "Me, Myself & I", about ensemble skills and the "balkanization" of the orchestra. "It's only a joke...don't take it so seriously." But humor has power, and words have TREMENDOUS power - we think in language, and the language we use determines the way we think (sorry, my English Major is showing). I think it behooves us to think about what we're doing, what we're trying to accomplish, and how we're served by the kind of humor we practice and the kind of language we use. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 14:03:27 -0600 From: "Tom C. Shaddox" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: What did you play for Christmas Message-ID: <3A52340F.B0F98CC9@fnc.fujitsu.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry wrote in part: >Are you really ninth chair tenor? 9th chair isn't about where one sits in the section; it's a conceptual approach to playing. I gotta' go practice, Tom Shaddox, 9th chair tenor ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 12:06:40 -0800 From: Peter Ellefson To: Trombone List Subject: MŸller quartet books Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There is a set of delightful trombone quartets, I believe arranged by Robert MŸller, called "60 Selected Quartets". They came in 3 books. I have done some preliminary checking and cannot find them available. If any of you have them or know where to obtain a set please email me off-list. Thanks. Peter Ellefson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:20:25 -0500 From: "Jac Grimes" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Where & what did you play New Year's Eve? (Time for a new thread) Message-ID: <01ed01c07501$d33bc2a0$a8c65818@triad.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01EA_01C074D7.EA0A2D20" Time for a new thread. What & where did you play New Year's Eve. I'll start. I played with my Big Band "The Kings of Swing" (I'm band manager,ÊMCÊ& play 2nd 'bone) at a party for my church. We had a very dismal turnout. It wasn't because of the band, we were great. Next year I'm going to try to get us into a hotel or club where we can get a larger crowd. Standard Big Band fare with a rockin' drum solo on "Leap Frog" to finish up. Jac Grimes Kings of Swing Big Band ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 16:32:10 -0500 From: "Thomas Smee" To: Subject: Re: MŸller quartet books Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Peter, Try this web site and select "Web Shop". The quartets you mentioned are listed as AusgewŠhlte Quartette Heft 1, 2, 3. I have ordered from these folks before (to get a copy of the Hornoff quartet). It took a while, but I got it. Tom P.S. If you order from them, while you're at it, you may want to order Herzengesang op.5 by Carl Pfleger, which is a collection of 15 or so short quartets, chorale-like and very, very German sounding (turgid 19 century harmony) . I like them a lot. http://www.spaeth-schmid.de/e/800/index.htm >>> Peter Ellefson 01/02/01 03:06pm >>> There is a set of delightful trombone quartets, I believe arranged by Robert MŸller, called "60 Selected Quartets". They came in 3 books. I have done some preliminary checking and cannot find them available. If any of you have them or know where to obtain a set please email me off-list. Thanks. Peter Ellefson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 14:36:02 -0700 (MST) From: aceftd@aztec.asu.edu (FRANK T. DARMIENTO) To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Court Humor Message-ID: <200101022136.OAA11536@aztec2.asu.edu> This is a brief snip from an e-mail I received. Only the trombone content is included. ======================================== These are things people actually said in court, word for word, taken down and now published by court reporters who had the torment of staying calm while these exchanges were actually taking place: Q: Did you blow your horn or anything? A: After the accident? Q: Before the accident. A: Sure, I played for ten years. I even went to school for it. -- Frank T. Darmiento (e-mail: aceftd@aztec.asu.edu) Scottsdale, Arizona ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:19:06 EST From: BassBonist@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Where & what did you play New Year's Eve? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did not work this NYE since it was birthday number 40 for me. My family celebrated by taking me to a fancy-schmancy restaurant and we all stayed up until midnight to watch Disneyland fireworks live from my front yard. I realize that I'm still a "kid" to some on the list (Adrian, Mike S.), but I may seem like an old geezer to the college kids.... FWIW, I stuck to my LAST years' "challenge" to spend less time on the computer and more time practicing. Although, I just got "The Sims" for my birthday so ignoring the computer is going to be difficult for a while. Have a healthy and prosperous New Year, EVERYONE! Matt Varho ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:22:36 -0600 From: "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" To: "'chris@trombone.org'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Another Great Quote Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks Chris, I love great quotes! Here's another related to trombone content through being a good ensemble member and developing less ego. (Had a chance over the holidays to read the article posted on Doug Yeo's web site, for those of you who have not yet read it, I highly recommend it as part of your personal development.) "If you are unable to laugh at yourself, others will do it for you." Blackie Sherrod, Dallas TX. (Lifted from Dan Cook's column S.A. Express News). Rick Marple San Antonio TX -----Original Message----- From: Chris Waage [mailto:chris@trombone.org] Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 10:47 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: A Great Quote "It is the supreme art of the teahcer to awaken joy in creative expression and knowledge." -- Albert Einstein ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:28:44 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: What a way to go... Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" It's really quite a story (not humorous, but still quite a story...): http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/01/02/orchestra.death.ap/index.html -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 16:03:19 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: What a way to go... Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010102160043.00ac6610@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:28 PM 1/2/01 -0500, Douglas Yeo blasted the following out into the ether: It's really quite a story (not humorous, but still quite a story...): http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/01/02/orchestra.death.ap/index.html -Doug Yeo How weird! James M. Tuozzolo, 57, apparently suffered a heart attack Sunday night while the orchestra was closing its concert with Glenn Miller's "In the Mood." The New Year's Eve concert at the War Memorial Theater attracted an audience of about 1,800 people. "He stood, played the solo flawlessly, and then sat down," said John Peter Holly, the orchestra's executive director and conductor. "A few seconds later, he dropped the trumpet and fell on the floor." Kinda makes you wonder -- did he play with a lot of pressure? Maybe a lot of volume? Did he play some incredible high note on the end and sit down? Man, I need to rethink all those high note contests between me and the lead trumpet player...I win about half of them, BTW... Not kidding at all, Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 23:13:06 -0000 From: Lisa Nelsen To: "'Trom list'" Subject: Leadpipes ( again - again) Message-ID: <01C07511.A7930D60@la-the-duck.demon.co.uk> Thanks to those responses regarding tendancies of silver leadpipes, one last question. I have seen adverts for Callet leadpipes, as it is unlikely I can find one over here in blighty, has anyone had one fitted to their trombones ( particularly bass) and what if any differences were noted...many thanks, Alex. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 15:17:32 -0800 From: Peter Ellefson To: Trombone List Subject: Re: MŸller quartet books Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I Found them. Thanks for the suggestions. PE > There is a set of delightful trombone quartets, I believe arranged by Robert > MŸller, called "60 Selected Quartets". They came in 3 books. > I have done some preliminary checking and cannot find them available. If any > of you have them or know where to obtain a set please email me off-list. > > Thanks. > > Peter Ellefson > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 19:17:45 -0500 From: "Bart Roberts" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Looking for Solo Accompainment at Grade 3 Level Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear List Members, I have been asked by one of the HS Directors that I teach lessons for to solo with his top concert band. I consider this to be a big honor for me and I want to do something that shows myself off and the kids, but doesn't not take a ton of preperation on their part. Being a young trombonist I'm not sure what the best solos would be to pick from. The difficulty level of the solo is not a concern. I am worried about the difficulty level of the accompainment. To use a grading system I am looking for any solos that are no harder than a grade three plus. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Bart M. Roberts Trombonist Cardinal Brass Quintet Assistant Director of Bands Graduate Assistant Ball State University ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:28:56 -0900 From: "Paul Hill" To: Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Where & what did you play New Year's Eve? (Time for a new thread) Message-ID: <007b01c07524$8b3a4c60$b582fea9@navak-n01n> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0078_01C074D9.1A9A02C0" I play Bass Tbn in the "Thunder Mountain Big Band" in Juneau, Alaska (4 hours behind the East Coast!). This year we played at Juneau's Alaska Native Brotherhood Hall...great turnout, terrific food and LOTS of folks dancing! Best Regards, Paul Paul Hill Bass Tbn Juneau Symphony Thunder Mountain Big Band BonesNorth Tbn Quartet ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 21:10:42 -0600 From: "Dean McCarty" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Looking for Solo Accompainment at Grade 3 Level Message-ID: <000b01c07532$c2e3d6a0$fd0960cc@compaqcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would recommend the Morceau Symphonique. I believe that it is available through Warner Pub. If you don't like that idea then you could always do Blue Bells of Scotland... Pryor did it with the Sousa Band... I personally like the Morceau though. Both of these are fairly inexpensive... about the same as any other reasonably priced band composition. Dean McCarty freelance trombonist, Houston area ----- Original Message ----- From: Bart Roberts > > I have been asked by one of the HS Directors that I teach lessons for to > solo with his top concert band. I consider this to be a big honor for me and > I want to do something that shows myself off and the kids, but doesn't not > take a ton of preperation on their part. > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:22:43 -0600 From: "Hector Bourg Jr." To: Subject: Re: Where & what did you play New Year's Eve? (Time for a new thread) Message-ID: <002901c0753c$d1e1fd30$0a01a8c0@hn9nz49oeloz7b> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C0750A.869972E0" Subject: Where & what did you play New Year's Eve? (Time for a new thread) Time for a new thread. What & where did you play New Year's Eve. I'll start I'll join in too. Our band, The Sentimental Journey Orchestra, played at a north metro Atlana Hotel. They had a package including a room for the night, a huge and very elaborate meal and dancing to our music from 9p until 1a. The crowd was very enthusiastic and we all had a ball! 'Tis the only way to celebrate NYE as far as I'm concerned. For those of you who may be interested, there are photos of the night's activities at http://www.thesjo.com just click on "New Year's Eve Photos" when you get to the first page. H Bourg ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:32:40 -0500 From: "stevencarr" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Leadpipes ( again - again) Message-ID: <001501c07535$d3d8c850$173d0818@cc938625-a.narltn1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use one on my Edwards Bass. It seems to be a livelier sound (less sterile ?) - more flexible in sound than the Edwards pipes I've used. In what way do you feel your current equipment is limiting you? - Or are you just curious? Steve -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Nelsen To: Trombones and related issues forum. Date: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 7:25 PM Subject: Leadpipes ( again - again) >Thanks to those responses regarding tendancies of silver leadpipes, one last question. >I have seen adverts for Callet leadpipes, as it is unlikely I can find one over here in >blighty, has anyone had one fitted to their trombones ( particularly bass) and what if >any differences were noted...many thanks, >Alex. > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:59:57 EST From: MasterCoda@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Trombone-L chat room / help wanted Message-ID: <5b.1001a849.2783fdbd@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, hope everyone is having a safe and happy new year! I have a couple of questions/ideas. I was wondering if the topic of creating a Trombone-L chat room (either through excite, yahoo, icq, aim, etc...) has been brought up. It might be neat to set up a time and anual day that we could all gather in a chat room and interactively talk instead through emails...just an idea. Also, I was wondering if anyone would mind listening to/critiquing a few mp3's I made of my all-state tryout music, for which the tryout is coming up on this Saturday. Thanks in advance for all the help I know will be offered... ;-) Peter Principle Tenor Trombonist, Taylor High School Band and Orchestra (Houston area). (sorry, I wanted a title like everyone else...) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 23:16:24 EST From: JennWhaa@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: brass player culture was Womanly mouthpieces Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/2/2001 9:07:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, glangfur@yahoo.com writes: << And this kind of humor, so prevalent among brass players who are often otherwise reasonably well-educated, thoughtful musicicans, REALLY irritates me. It goes right along with the mock gay-voice that so many male brass players tease each other with and the cultivation of an adolescent, beer-swilling persona. >> While we are on the topic, I have a theory. The lower the instrument, the more grotesque the humor. Being on the bottom end has conditioned me and I can deal with almost any comment thrown at me. In fact, I can gross out most of my colleagues (should I be proud of that?). One of my favorites is, and this relates to the beer-swilling persona, is that I would be a better player if I drank more beer. I haven't put it to the test - but the field of the beer consumption of female bass trombonists and how it affects their playing is a popular one. I am sure that there will be an article on the OTJ sometime very soon. Entitled "How Guinness Helped Me Get A Gig". Back to drinking my six-pack before my warm-up. Jennifer Wharton Founding member of the American Drinking Team ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 23:43:20 EST From: JennWhaa@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Where & what did you play New Year's Eve? Message-ID: <8e.f3f94ed.278407e8@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I performed with the Bay Big Band (from Lafayette, CA) at the Konocti Harbor Resort and Spa on Clearlake, the largest Lake in California. Among the other bands - R&B, Country and 60s Rock. A fun, 4 hour gig and decent pay for the 3 hours (on the curviest road I have ever seen) to get there. And I drove back home at 2:30 AM to be back at work the next morning. I love the musicians life, or should I say lack of? Hope your gigs were as much fun, Jen Jennifer Wharton Aspiring musician and professional basket weaver. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 04:55:41 EST From: Tbcwes@aol.com To: JennWhaa@aol.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Where & what did you play New Year's Eve? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d8.7693ce.2784511d_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline Played second trombone with the Old South Brass Ensemble at (amazingly enough) the Old South Church here in Boston for the New Year's Eve festivities. Great fun even better players and two packed houses! -Wes ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_1911--