TROMBONE-L Digest 1910

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Happy New Year
	by "Eric & Leandra Edwards" <bonearzt@mindspring.com>
  2) Re: K&M / UMI Stands
	by Earl Needham <KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG>
  3) Re: Olds 3 Mouthpieces
	by "ksdowdy" <ksdowdy@msn.com>
  4) Re: Wycliffe Gordon
	by "ksdowdy" <ksdowdy@msn.com>
  5) RE: Gold-plated 11C mouthpiece wanted
	by "Daniel P. Sniderman" <fuzzbone@fuzzbone.com>
  6) Happy New Year, Y'all
	by "Tyson, Tom" <TysonT@whiteoaksemi.com>
  7) Flatness & Schilke
	by Dave Molter <kingbone@earthlink.net>
  8) Re: Flatness & Embouchure
	by Gabriel Langfur <glangfur@yahoo.com>
  9) Re: Flatness & the Schilke mouthpieces
	by Gabriel Langfur <glangfur@yahoo.com>
 10) Re: Flatness & Embouchure
	by "Tom Izzo" <jeanvaljean@ntsource.com>
 11) Greg Black Mouthpieces
	by "Bart Roberts" <bmroberts@iquest.net>
 12) OOPS
	by "Bart Roberts" <bmroberts@iquest.net>
 13) Re:  Greg BlackMouthpieces
	by "Chris Waage" <chris@trombone.org>
 14) Re: Flatness & the Schilke mouthpieces
	by "Daniel Pliskin" <daniel_pliskin@hotmail.com>
 15) Re: Flatness & the Schilke mouthpieces
	by "ksdowdy" <ksdowdy@msn.com>



From ???@??? Tue Jan 02 08:17:59 2001
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 08:21:12 -0600
From: "Eric & Leandra Edwards" <bonearzt@mindspring.com>
To: "Wes Wallace" <wwalla.cww@verizon.net>,
        "Trombone-L" <trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu>,
Subject: Happy New Year
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<x-charset iso-8859-1>I hope everyone has a merry and prosperous new year!!
I thank you all for your friendship and love, and look forward to more in
the new year.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!!!

Love Eric


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From ???@??? Tue Jan 02 08:17:59 2001
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 09:14:50 -0700
From: Earl Needham <KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG>
To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu
Subject: Re: K&M / UMI Stands
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<x-flowed>At 08:25 PM 12/31/00 -0500, Aaron Roth blasted the following out into the 
ether:
><snip>
>I'll take the K&M bass stand any ol' day for the lower end, though.  And 
>what makes me really cringe: the thought of putting a bass on a rickety 
>old Hamilton.  Mine is barely tall enough to hold up my bass, and if I 
>adjust the cone upward then the horn leans over on the stand....

      First, the Hamilton is NOT "rickety".  If it was, they'd go out of 
business.

      I had the same problem fitting a Bass Trombone on a Hamilton, and 
wrote Trombone-L about my solution some time ago.  If you're BUYING a 
trombone stand, you might not want to go this route, but if you already own 
a Hamilton, this is a quick and effective modification.

>Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:19:04 -0600
><snip>
>         Although this isn't about dent repair, I can tell you how to make 
> that Hamilton hold any trombone you ever want it to.
>
>         Take the top section out -- all the way out -- and strip it of 
> the rubber bumper, the metal collar, etc.  Replace the tube that's left 
> with a piece of 1/2" EMT conduit about 6 or 8 inches longer than the 
> original.  You'll have to use a sledge hammer to get it in, as the 
> original tube is a bit smaller.  Once you're done, put all the stuff on 
> the EMT that you took off the original tube.  What you end up with is a 
> stand that's tall enough to hold ANY Bass Trombone without letting the 
> slide touch the floor.  And probably tough enough to swing on without 
> bending...
><snip>

      HTH,
      Earl


Earl Needham, KD5XB    mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG
Clovis, New Mexico         DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so)

Pet peeve: breath is a noun,  breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, 
you breathe...)


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From ???@??? Tue Jan 02 08:17:59 2001
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 13:12:33 -0600
From: "ksdowdy" <ksdowdy@msn.com>
To: <zinger@musician.org>,
        "Trombones and related issues forum." <trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu>
Subject: Re: Olds 3 Mouthpieces
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<x-charset iso-8859-1>My measurements put the Olds 3 much closer to a Bach 12C than a Bach 24.
The cup is perhaps shallower and more V shaped than the 12C, but the
diameter is pretty close.

KSD

----- Original Message -----
From: Galen Zinn <zinger@musician.org>
To: Trombones and related issues forum. <trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: Olds 3 Mouthpieces


> on 12/29/00 6:14 PM, Candice & Eric Swanson at
> swansonmacmail@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Galen Zinn wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> What other mouthpieces would be the equivalents of an Olds 3, an Olds
1,
> >> and/or an Olds 2 mouthpiece? Which Bach?
> >
> >> Why would an Olds 3 be used as a good paper weight?
> >
> > Galen,
> >
> > Olds 3 would be about like a Bach 24 or maybe 30.  They are small.
Almost too
> > small to use on tenor trombone, for most people.
> >
> > Eric Swanson
> >
>
> Back in 1961/62 when I bought my Olds Recording w/F attachment, of course
it
> came with an Olds mouthpiece. I don't know if it came with an Olds 3 or an
> Olds 1 (somehow I ended up with both of those two mouthpieces). I didn't
> play the horn for more than two or three years before I switched to a Bach
6
> 1/2 AL. But to get the Bach mouthpiece to go into the horn as far as the
> Olds mouthpiece did, I had to have the Bach turned down in shank size on a
> metal lathe. The Olds Recording seems to have a very small lead pipe. Are
> you sure the Olds 3 is the equivalent of a Bach 24 or higher? I have an
old
> Bach 20 with a big wide rim that is much smaller than the Olds 3.
>
> Galen Zinn
> E-mail: zinger@musician.org
>
>
>



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From ???@??? Tue Jan 02 08:17:59 2001
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 13:21:45 -0600
From: "ksdowdy" <ksdowdy@msn.com>
To: <zemry@bellsouth.net>,
        "Trombones and related issues forum." <trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu>
Subject: Re: Wycliffe Gordon
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<x-charset iso-8859-1>I am eagerly waiting for my local Borders to restock Mr. Gordon's CDs.  I
saw him on TV a couple of weeks ago and was immediately hooked on his
playing.  I have been so disappointed in listening to many of the "new" and
"modern" trombonists out there.  Wycliffe Gordon is one of the first
trombonists that I have heard in a long time that 1) is still alive, 2) less
than ancient, and 3) sounds like he is playing a trombone.  (To my ears,
most players that meet criteria 3 don't meet either 1 or 2).  From what I
have heard so far, I'm sure his CDs will find a place next to my Urbie
Green, Kia and JJ, and Tommy Dorsey recordings.  Thanks for the heads up on
these new ones!

KSD

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Zemry Johnson <zemry@bellsouth.net>
To: Trombones and related issues forum. <trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 9:14 AM
Subject: Wycliffe Gordon


>      Wycliffe Gordon, a trombonist with the Lincoln Center Jazz Orchestra,
> has two new cds that I highly recommend. They are (1) The Gospel Truth and
> (2) The Search. On these cds he plays trombone, tuba and didgeridoo on one
> song on the cd, The Search.
>      The Gospel Truth is a collection of traditional gospel hymns that are
> played in the tradition of the Black churches. I also detect a strong
> Dixieland/New Orleans approach to some of the songs. Old standard songs
> include Jesus Loves Me, What a Friend We Have in Jesus, The Lord's Prayer,
> There's A Tree, Take My Hand, Precious Lord, We Have Come Into This House,
> and The Battle Hymn of the Republic. Original tunes written by Gordon
> include The Deacon's Moan, The Gospel Truth, The Hallelujah Scat and The
> Message.
>      All of the songs are great, however my personal favorites are The
> Deacon's Moan, The Lord's Prayer, and Take My Hand, Precious Lord. I know
> that some of the list members play in churches and are on the lookout for
> songs that can be played in church. On this cd one song for whom the
> trombone part is fairly easy to transcribe (I know because, I have mostly
> finished transcribing it) and play in church is The Lord's Prayer. It is a
> trombone solo accompanied by piano. It is not technically hard to play
with
> the highest note being a high C. If you can find yourself a fairly decent
> piano player this song would be a winner in church. I plan to play it in
my
> church sometime this year.
>      On another one of Wycliffe Gordon's cds, Slidin' Home, there is a
> rendition of Amazing Grace, that is also good to play in church.  The
gospel
> and blues inflection to Amazing Grace add a different sound to the song
that
> what is normally heard in most churches. I transcribed that one (sorta
> kinda) and played a simplified version of it in church earlier this year.
It
> was well received by the congregation.
>      The Search is a more traditional jazz cd. I won't talk much about it
> other than to say that there is a great version of Danny Boy on it that is
> played in a trio/quartet? arrangement. It is not a jazzy arrangement but
> rather something that you would heard a traditional trombone group play.
On
> this cd, he also plays Georgia on My Mind and kinda shows out on Sweet
> Georgia Brown.
>      The point of this rambling post is to buy the cds, most especially
The
> Gospel Truth.  Later, I'm tired of typing!
>
>



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From ???@??? Tue Jan 02 08:17:59 2001
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 13:22:35 -0600
From: "Daniel P. Sniderman" <fuzzbone@fuzzbone.com>
To: <pmerritt@hom.net>,
        "Trombones and related issues forum." <trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu>
Subject: RE: Gold-plated 11C mouthpiece wanted
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<x-charset iso-8859-1>One thing to consider - getting a mouthpiece re-plated is not a big deal.
You may want to consider finding a mouthpiece you like - regardless of
plating or condition and having it re-plated.

The Brass Bow here in the Chicago Area had one done for me many years ago -
and I was very satisfied.  I'm sure they could handle it mail-order if your
local shops don't have the capability...

Dan



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu
[mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of pmerritt@hom.net
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 1:36 AM
To: Trombones and related issues forum.
Subject: Gold-plated 11C mouthpiece wanted

I'm looking for a Bach tenor 11C gold-plated mouthpiece. Also, I am in the
market for a Bach 6
1/2 AL shanked for a Conn 88H circa 1966-also preferably gold-plated. Any
leads would be greatly
appreciated. TIA.

Paul Merritt
pmerritt@hom.net
1-912-784-1681


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From ???@??? Tue Jan 02 08:17:59 2001
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 14:53:35 -0500 
From: "Tyson, Tom" <TysonT@whiteoaksemi.com>
To: "Trombones and related issues forum." <trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu>
Subject: Happy New Year, Y'all
Message-ID: <3B0461DBB21AD411A4060060B03C63078852C6@woscdr02.whiteoaksemi.com>

What a wonderful way to spend New Years Eve !

Last night, for the first time in years I didn't have to work New 
Years Eve. I just put some CDs on the changer, lit a fire in the 
fireplace, curled up on the couch with my wife and just relaxed while 
the dogs snored.

After Pinnacles and the Brass Orchestra moved off stage, and as J.J. 
and Kai launched into Night in Tunisia with the Octet, it occurred to 
me that if this wasn't heaven, it certainly was close enough for 
practical purposes.

To J.J., Carolyn, and all of the listers here . . .

. . A Most Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year

Tom Tyson
Richmond, VA 

(Cross posted with www.egroups.com/group/jjlist    Sorry if duplicated)




From ???@??? Tue Jan 02 08:17:59 2001
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 15:11:38 -0500
From: Dave Molter <kingbone@earthlink.net>
To: trombone-L <trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu>
Subject: Flatness & Schilke
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Thanks to all who responded to my post about playing flat with my Duo
Gravis/Schilke 58 combo. Here's an update.  Yesterday I experimented
briefly with four mouthpieces, and the results follow:

Schilke 58: tuning slide all the way in, horn still about 1/4 step flat
with a different tuner and no matter how much air I put through it.

Yamaha Doug Yeo Replica: tuning slide all the way in, horn still flat
but not as much as with the 58. 

Bach 3G: tuning slide all the way in, but now Bb is in tune and almost
sharp when I play normally.

Small shank Bach 5Gs fitted into a shank adapter: Bb is now slightly
sharp with the tuning slide all the way in.

As you can see, there appears to be a direct correlation between cup
depth -- and maybe rim diameter -- and pitch  at least for me. Earl
Needham's post makes it clear that Duos do indeed play flat, but I'm
willing to take some of the blame.

For now I'm going to back off to the 3G and put in more chop time on
bass.  I play it in a brass band and seldom encounter anything lower
than C with the valve, so this should work for me.

By the way, I neglected to mention that when I played "Mame" using a 
Schilke 57 on the Duo in November, I had no tuning problem and in fact
pulled my main slide out about 1/2 inch. But we tuned to an oboe in that
group. I suspect it's a combination of our brass band's electronic
tuner, my playing style and the mouthpiece/Duo combo. 

At worst, this gives me a reason to practice more.

Thanks again.

Dave Molter

From ???@??? Tue Jan 02 08:17:59 2001
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:07:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Gabriel Langfur <glangfur@yahoo.com>
To: "Trombones and related issues forum." <trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu>
Subject: Re: Flatness & Embouchure
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--- "Joshua A. Sticklor-Lipson" <sticklja@jmu.edu>
wrote:
> Some of it is caused by a weakness in
> the embouchure.  

I don't think so...I don't have a particularly weak
embouchure, or even an overly relaxed setup. And the
location of my tuning slide doesn't change when I'm
out of shape - I still blow on the low side of the
pitch. Ron Barron in the Boston Symphony has a very
strong embouchure, and his tuning slides are cut WAY
down. I think it probably has to do with the
particular shape of a person's oral cavity, or the
particular embouchure setup. 

I know other professional players with great sounds
whose tuning slides live far out. 

Gabe

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From ???@??? Tue Jan 02 08:17:59 2001
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 15:10:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Gabriel Langfur <glangfur@yahoo.com>
To: "Trombones and related issues forum." <trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu>
Subject: Re: Flatness & the Schilke mouthpieces
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--- Craig Parmerlee <craig@acticalc.com> wrote:
> Did I mention, "it's the cup"?
> Craig
> 

YES...That's why I don't play a 60 anymore. I'm just
too flat with a cup much larger than a 59.

Gabe


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From ???@??? Tue Jan 02 08:17:59 2001
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 18:13:33 -0600
From: "Tom Izzo" <jeanvaljean@ntsource.com>
To: <glangfur@yahoo.com>,
        "Trombones and related issues forum." <trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu>
Subject: Re: Flatness & Embouchure
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> I don't think so...I don't have a particularly weak
> embouchure, or even an overly relaxed setup. And the
> location of my tuning slide doesn't change when I'm
> out of shape - I still blow on the low side of the
> pitch. Ron Barron in the Boston Symphony has a very
> strong embouchure, and his tuning slides are cut WAY
> down. I think it probably has to do with the
> particular shape of a person's oral cavity, or the
> particular embouchure setup.
>
> I know other professional players with great sounds
> whose tuning slides live far out.
>
Agreed!

My tuning slides on Bach Bassi (yes I own three of them.) are all out about
an inch
But when I play Tenor (and I double a lot), my tuning slides are almost
closed.
I've shortened my 42B, & am about ready to shorten my 36B as well.
I've always surmised that it was the fact of a BASS Trombonist, playing
Tenor. When Tenor Trombonists have played my instruments, they always move
the slides out.
Been my experience anyway.

Tom



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From ???@??? Tue Jan 02 08:17:59 2001
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:07:26 -0500
From: "Bart Roberts" <bmroberts@iquest.net>
To: "Trombone List" <trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu>
Subject: Greg Black Mouthpieces
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<x-charset iso-8859-1>Dear List,

I've got a couple of questions for yah.

Was wondering what you all thought of Greg Black Mouthpieces.

Also which Greg Black is similar to a Bach 5g.

Thanks

GO Boliers!!!   GO IRISH!!   Go SOONERS!!!

Bart Roberts
Trombonist 
Cardinal Brass Quintet
Assistant Director of Bands
Ball State University

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From ???@??? Tue Jan 02 08:18:00 2001
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:09:24 -0500
From: "Bart Roberts" <bmroberts@iquest.net>
To: "Trombone List" <trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu>
Subject: OOPS
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<x-charset iso-8859-1>I guess I need to go back and take English 101 over again.

Go Boilers!!

See yah.

Bart Roberts

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From ???@??? Tue Jan 02 08:18:00 2001
Date: Mon,  1 Jan 2001 19:41:40 -0500
From: "Chris Waage" <chris@trombone.org>
To: <trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu>
Subject: Re:  Greg BlackMouthpieces
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>
>Greg Black's mouthpieces are very expensive, but worth the bucks.  Well designed and fantastically crafted, his mouthpieces seem similar (but not identical) to Mt. Vernon Bachs.  He uses a sizing system very similar to Bach.  
>
>http://www.gregblackmouthpieces.net
>
>Chris
>
>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>From: "Bart Roberts" <bmroberts@iquest.net>
>Reply-To: bmroberts@iquest.net
>Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:07:26 -0500
>
>>Dear List,
>>
>>I've got a couple of questions for yah.
>>
>>Was wondering what you all thought of Greg Black Mouthpieces.
>>
>>Also which Greg Black is similar to a Bach 5g.
>>
>>Thanks
>
>
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Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 01:58:50 
From: "Daniel Pliskin" <daniel_pliskin@hotmail.com>
To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu
Subject: Re: Flatness & the Schilke mouthpieces
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<P>&gt; &gt; Craig </P>
<P>&gt;YES...That's why I don't play a 60 anymore. I'm just </P>
<DIV></DIV>&gt;too flat with a cup much larger than a 59. 
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<P>Now that all the men have harped in on the bore size issue, is it not time for the women to get into the mouthpiece thread?</P>
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From ???@??? Tue Jan 02 08:18:00 2001
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:43:35 -0600
From: "ksdowdy" <ksdowdy@msn.com>
To: <daniel_pliskin@hotmail.com>,
        "Trombones and related issues forum." <trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu>
Subject: Re: Flatness & the Schilke mouthpieces
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As long as everyone understands that when we are 
talking about a D cup, it is in reference to an instrument 
mouthpiece.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>KSD</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A href="mailto:daniel_pliskin@hotmail.com" 
  title=daniel_pliskin@hotmail.com>Daniel Pliskin</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  href="mailto:trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu" 
  title=trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu>Trombones and related issues forum.</A> 
  </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 02, 2001 1:58 
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Flatness &amp; the Schilke 
  mouthpieces</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Did I mention, "it's the cup"? 
  <DIV></DIV>
  <P>&gt; &gt; Craig </P>
  <P>&gt;YES...That's why I don't play a 60 anymore. I'm just </P>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;too flat with a cup much larger than a 59. 
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <P>Now that all the men have harped in on the bore size issue, is it not time 
  for the women to get into the mouthpiece thread?</P>
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