TROMBONE-L Digest 1831 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Looking For A King 3B by Harykoz@aol.com 2) Re: Mute Bags by jimandcat@juno.com 3) RE: Quotation by "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" 4) RE: Mute Bags by "Berggren, Erik" 5) for CHUCK GUZIS by Charles 6) mouthpiece repair by Richard L Corliss 7) Re: no Bach mp's by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 8) King M 21 mouthpieces by Richard L Corliss 9) RE: King M 21 mouthpieces by "DOWDY, KENNETH S" 10) RE: mouthpiece repair by "DOWDY, KENNETH S" 11) Re: Mute Bags by Walter Barrett 12) Mega mute (was Mute Bags) by "Adrian Drover" 13) Re: 2 technical ?'s by "Adrian Drover" 14) Re: mouthpiece repair by "Daniel Pliskin" 15) Re: Mega mute (was Mute Bags) by "Todd Slothower" 16) or......... by Charles 17) buzz wow by Mike Coyle 18) Re: buzz wow by Douglas Yeo 19) Re: buzz wow by "Tom Izzo" 20) Inspection light by "Frank Doting" 21) Buzz Wow and Mega mutes by "Christopher Smith" 22) RE: buzz wow by "Andrew Elms" 23) Slide Bag by "Roger Carmichael" 24) Re: Slide Bag by Chris Waage 25) Re: Slide Bag by "Joseph Sellmansberger" 26) Re: Slide Bag by "Daniel Pliskin" 27) Re: Slide Bag by Craig Parmerlee 28) Re: Slide Bag by "Paul Hill" 29) I stand corrected! by "Michael P. Coyle" From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:36 2000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:58:23 EDT From: Harykoz@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Looking For A King 3B Message-ID: <37.b4145c1.27147a7f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I have a friend who is looking for a mid 1950s vintage King 3B. (Serial Number around 362xxx.) If anyone has one to sell, please contact me off of the list. Thanks, Hary From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:36 2000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:08:26 -0700 From: jimandcat@juno.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Cc: kgreen@fwsd.wednet.edu Subject: Re: Mute Bags Message-ID: <20001010.070828.-238335.0.Jimandcat@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, now tell me, what do you bass trombonists use to carry around your mutes and stuff in? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I checked out the website for the Gatemouth Long Boy---it looks great. Do they have them at Home Depot? Here's another idea. About 25 years ago a trumpet playing friend who was a leather hobbyist made me a leather bag. He measured the diameter of my bucket mute and cup mute and the length of my trombone stand, added a couple of inches for good measure, and made it so the entire length opens up for easy access. He made it in the shape of a cylinder, leather straps running underneath (riveted) and instead of sewn it is seamed with 1/4 in. leather thongs (thread?). It can be dyed any color, has my handwritten monogram etched and dyed black on the outside and has an attractive buckle. I can fit cup, bucket, straight, harmon, practice, plunger, solotone, and odd things in it. Its easy to carry and always elicits compliments on the job. It was inexpensive in material and, because it was a friend, a minimum charge to make. So, do you have any friends into leather? He had a blast making it and whenever we played a gig together he beamed whenever he saw me with it. Jim Prindle ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:36 2000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:04:16 -0500 From: "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" To: "'MikeSuter@aol.com'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Quotation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm sorry Mike, I won't attend, it took me longer than 8 seconds to read your advertisement. Rick Marple San An... :-) -----Original Message----- From: MikeSuter@aol.com [mailto:MikeSuter@aol.com] Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 12:01 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Quotation << It won't fit a 3-second TV soundbite slot, either! Come on, get with the program. >> Thank you Dave. You've helped me format my next Slidewerke album. It'll consist of 458 trombone quartets, none longer than 8 seconds (the 8 second pieces will, of course, be for Ovation and PBS). The support tour will be a real hassle, though. I envision 5 -14 minute concerts a day for three weeks. But we can use a mini-bus. All The Best, Mike From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:36 2000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:33:20 -0500 From: "Berggren, Erik" To: "'Walter Barrett'" , "'Trombone-L'" Subject: RE: Mute Bags Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Oh come on!....I want to hear about the ½ plunger!!!! Also, I don't see any mention of a "Mega" mute! A few big band charts we have call for this mute. I don't have a clue as to what it is. Could anyone enlighten me!? Thanks Erik Berggren, Always An Amateur -----Original Message----- From: Walter Barrett [SMTP:wbarrett@bestweb.net] Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 9:34 PM To: kgreen@fwsd.wednet.edu; Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Mute Bags on 10/9/00 9:04 PM, Kathy-Green -TJ at kgreen@fwsd.wednet.edu sent forth into the cosmos: > Okay, now tell me, what do you bass trombonists use to carry around your > mutes and stuff in? Right now I have a medium-ish size rolling luggage > bag. It works great and everything fits, including my new Petersen > folding music stand and trombone stand. But I'm about to get a cup mute > and so it won't work after that. A pity as it is nice to just roll it > behind me. > > Back when I was playing tenor bone I used a regular old vinyl workout type > bag, and that was fine then...those mutes are SO BIG for bass bones, > though. > > You can e-mail me directly instead of cluttering the list. > > Kathy Green > > Kathy- I'm using a Bucket Boss Longboy toolbag to carry all of my tenor trombone mutes, and I do mean ALL! I carry 2 straights, cup, Joral Bucket, Harmon, Solotone, Wick Practice, plunger, trumpet straight (to use with the plunger), and my half-plunger (don't ask!), and a folding music stand. It has 3 small pockets on the outside that I can carry my glasses, mute holder, slide-o-mix, etc. Also, on the outside, it has a pair of straps just the right spacing to carry a Hamilton trombone stand. You can find one at various home/tool/hardware stores. I wish it was available in black, but you only have a choice of brown, brown, or brown. They have a new bag with luggage wheels and a handle, but I'm not sure how big it is. If you get the Dennis Wick adjustable cup, you can slide the cup part off for carrying, which may help. It also plays nicer than the Humes and Berg; doesn't back up on a low G/Gb. Walter Barrett Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:36 2000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:38:58 -0400 From: Charles To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: for CHUCK GUZIS Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20001010133858.0069432c@totcon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Chuck....I got your check, but lost your address. Please get it to me as soon as possible! Charlie From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:36 2000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:17:34 -0500 From: Richard L Corliss To: Trombone-l mailing Subject: mouthpiece repair Message-ID: <39E3330D.FCA9D58B@astound.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yesterday I was standing in a music shop with my favorite mouthpiece in a pouch in my right hand along my side. Someone then walked by me, hit my hand and the mouthpiece jumped out and fell on a tile floor. I think that there is lesson somewhere in that story. When I got home and blew the mouthpiece I felt something that I had not felt before. In looking at the mouthpiece through a magnifying glass I see some scratches and I think that I have located a little dent that was created by that fall. It is not a big deal, but I would like to fix it or have it fixed. What is your recommendation here? Give it to a repair person? In my case it involves a sax person who may not have done this kind of thing. I don't know. Is doing one's own repair work here a precarious task? If not, what should be done? Richard Corliss From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:36 2000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:27:36 EDT From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: d.sleeman@hccnet.nl, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: no Bach mp's Message-ID: <72.3bd25dc.27148f68@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No one had a camera.. Nor would have corrected the English if I had said ... I used the Bach but put my pipe on the music stand. beldon wade Gave up the pipe years ago. From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:36 2000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:40:50 -0500 From: Richard L Corliss To: Trombone-l mailing Subject: King M 21 mouthpieces Message-ID: <39E33882.2591419@astound.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Being without my favorite mouthpiece yesterday, a Bach 11c, I started to go through some of the mouthpieces that I have picked up one way or another and found a King M 21. I'm very much impressed with it, but I do not remember anyone ever metioning this mouthpiece when they have talked about mouthpieces that professionals use or those that particular individuals happen to like. I looked for some information on the internet about King mouthpieces but couldn't find any. Is there a general awareness of this mouthpiece? Is it just my odd tastes or is this considered a very good mouthpiece? Richard Corliss From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:36 2000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:41:24 -0500 From: "DOWDY, KENNETH S" To: "'rcorliss@astound.net'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: King M 21 mouthpieces Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Richard, I believe the King M21 is what JJ Johnson used. I have also been told that the early Jet Tones were patterned after the M21. I have only seen one, and if my memory serves me right, it was about the size of your Bach 11C. Perhaps this is why you found it favorable. KSD > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard L Corliss [SMTP:rcorliss@astound.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 10:41 AM > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > Subject: King M 21 mouthpieces > > Being without my favorite mouthpiece yesterday, a Bach 11c, > I started to go through some of the mouthpieces that I have > picked up one way or another and found a > King M 21. I'm very much impressed with it, but I do not > remember anyone ever metioning this mouthpiece when they > have talked about mouthpieces that > professionals use or those that particular individuals > happen to like. I looked for some information on the > internet about King mouthpieces but couldn't find any. > > Is there a general awareness of this mouthpiece? Is it just > my odd tastes or is this considered a very good mouthpiece? > > Richard Corliss > > From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:36 2000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:47:40 -0500 From: "DOWDY, KENNETH S" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: mouthpiece repair Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I hate to tell you this, but if your lip is so sensitive that you can feel defects that need magnification to be seen, you may need a new mouthpiece. I have repaired mine in the past by buffing out the scratches and dents and then re-plating them. This does change the dimensions to a small degree. It never bothered me, but some are more sensitive to changes than others. If you are one of the sensitive ones, this could be a problem for you. However, if your sensitivity is just to the scratching and finish, buffing may work. I don't seem to notice a difference of a couple thousands in dimensions. But I can feel imperfections in the finish, and they bother me. However, by the time I feel them, you don't need a magnifier to see them. Hope this helps. KSD > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard L Corliss [SMTP:rcorliss@astound.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 10:18 AM > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > Subject: mouthpiece repair > > Yesterday I was standing in a music shop with my favorite > mouthpiece in a pouch in my right hand along my side. > Someone then walked by me, hit my hand and the mouthpiece > jumped out and fell on a tile floor. I think that there is > lesson somewhere in that story. > > When I got home and blew the mouthpiece I felt something > that I had not felt before. In looking at the mouthpiece > through a magnifying glass I see some scratches and I think > that I have located a little dent that was created by that > fall. It is not a big deal, but I would like to fix it or > have it fixed. > > What is your recommendation here? Give it to a repair > person? In my case it involves a sax person who may not have > done this kind of thing. I don't know. Is doing one's own > repair work here a precarious task? If not, what should be > done? > > Richard Corliss From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:36 2000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:05:10 -0400 From: Walter Barrett To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Mute Bags Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 10/10/00 10:33 AM, Berggren, Erik at erik.berggren@state.ks.us sent forth into the cosmos: > Oh come on!....I want to hear about the 1/2 plunger!!!! Also, I don't see any > mention of a "Mega" mute! A few big band charts we have call for this mute. > I don't have a clue as to what it is. Could anyone enlighten me!? > > Thanks > > Erik Berggren, > Always An Amateur Erik- Okay, here's the half-plunger story... One of the big bands that I play with has a couple of charts that have the marking "half plunger." One day, at Home Depot, I chanced upon the plunger display, and got an idea. I purchased 4 plungers, no sticks, went home and got to work. At the next rehearsal, the leader called one of the half-plunger tunes, and I passed out a matched set of 8 half-plungers to the brass section, whereupon general mirth and merriment ensued! I'm not sure (or old enough!), but I think the Mega Mute is similar to a Solotone, which is another extinct mute. The closest modern version (of the Solotone) is the Humes & Berg Cleartone. It gives you that Tommy Dorsey "Song of India" sound. Walter Barrett Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:36 2000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:51:58 +0100 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Mega mute (was Mute Bags) Message-ID: <008f01c032e2$e5fc78a0$4309fd3e@q9y6f8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Berggren, Erik" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 3:33 PM Subject: RE: Mute Bags >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh come on!....I want to hear about the ½ plunger!!!! Also, I don't see any mention of a "Mega" mute! A few big band charts we have call for this mute. I don't have a clue as to what it is. Could anyone enlighten me!? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I saw a Mega a long time ago. From what I can remember, it is a fibre (European spelling) mute, cross between a Straight and a Harmon. Can't remember what kind of noise it made, but as Walter suggests, it probably produces that sweet Dorsey sound, or something from that era. A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co,uk From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:36 2000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:52:10 +0100 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: 2 technical ?'s Message-ID: <009001c032e2$e824d6e0$4309fd3e@q9y6f8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurt Winikka" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 12:39 PM Subject: RE: 2 technical ?'s > It's only a matter of time before computers will prevent (or at least point > out to the arranger) these kinds of mistakes -- by the use of software that > has a set of rules for validating an arrangement/orchestration. The > technology exists today to create such a system. Maybe, but it won't be able to tell if the score will be a hit or not. A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co,uk From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:36 2000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:56:33 GMT From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: mouthpiece repair Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Believe me, Iāve done worse. I dropped a mouthpiece on concrete and it landed on the rim·not a pretty sight. What I did was to take a smooth faced hammer and, using tiny strokes, bang the roughness back down to smooth. I was able to save the plating, whereas I would have had to re-plate the mouthpiece, had I smoothed it out with abrasives. DanP >From: Richard L Corliss >Reply-To: rcorliss@astound.net >To: "Trombones and related issues forum." >Subject: mouthpiece repair >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:17:34 -0500 > >Yesterday I was standing in a music shop with my favorite >mouthpiece in a pouch in my right hand along my side. >Someone then walked by me, hit my hand and the mouthpiece >jumped out and fell on a tile floor. I think that there is >lesson somewhere in that story. > >When I got home and blew the mouthpiece I felt something >that I had not felt before. In looking at the mouthpiece >through a magnifying glass I see some scratches and I think >that I have located a little dent that was created by that >fall. It is not a big deal, but I would like to fix it or >have it fixed. > >What is your recommendation here? Give it to a repair >person? In my case it involves a sax person who may not have >done this kind of thing. I don't know. Is doing one's own >repair work here a precarious task? If not, what should be >done? > >Richard Corliss > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:36 2000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:57:17 -0500 From: "Todd Slothower" To: , Subject: Re: Mega mute (was Mute Bags) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey, all................how about the famous "buzz-wow" mute ?? From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:36 2000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:33:16 -0400 From: Charles To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: or......... Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20001010193316.00696b5c@totcon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The Charlie Spivak Whispa-Mute From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:36 2000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:22:49 -0500 From: Mike Coyle To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: buzz wow Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001010172138.00ab8370@pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:57 PM 10/10/2000, you wrote: >Hey, all................how about the famous "buzz-wow" mute ?? Is that the mute with all the nuts and bolts and vibrating stuff on it? If so, it is the stupidest mute I've ever seen! Has anyone ever really used it? mike From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:36 2000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:36:37 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: astro@pconline.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: buzz wow Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 5:22 PM -0500 10/10/00, Mike Coyle wrote: >At 02:57 PM 10/10/2000, you wrote: >>Hey, all................how about the famous "buzz-wow" mute ?? > > >Is that the mute with all the nuts and bolts and vibrating stuff on >it? ----snip--- Has anyone ever really used it? Bass Trombonist David Taylor used one on "Passion Flower/Single Petal of a Rose" on his duo with tenor trombonist Jim Pugh on "The Pugh/Taylor Project." Dave talks about this in his interview with me which appeared in the ITA Journal several years ago and which may also be seen on my website (in two parts) at http://www.yeodoug.com/taylor1.html -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:36 2000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:58:16 -0500 From: "Tom Izzo" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: buzz wow Message-ID: <006201c03315$f5f6dce0$2075dfd0@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mike & all, > At 02:57 PM 10/10/2000, you wrote: > >Hey, all................how about the famous "buzz-wow" mute ?? > > > Is that the mute with all the nuts and bolts and vibrating stuff on it? Yes it is. If > so, it is the stupidest mute I've ever seen! Has anyone ever really used it? hahahahaha Yes, believe it or not. I only have one size though, for me Soprano Trombone (Trumpet size). I've never seen a Tenor or Bass Trb model. Tom > > mike > From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:36 2000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:01:27 -0700 From: "Frank Doting" To: "trombone list" Subject: Inspection light Message-ID: <000b01c0330e$59386240$d0df4fd1@hkys5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Although a slide inspection light has been mentioned several times on the list, I thought it might be helpful to provide details on how to make one out of parts which can be obtained at a Radio Shack store. The part numbers are for reference only and other units of similar values can be substituted. 1) 273-1767 9 volt, 300 mA power adapter. This is a "wall transformer" and you may have one that survived earlier uses. Look for one that is specified for 9 volts, either AC or DC it does not matter which. 2) 272-1143 Midget Screw-Base Lamp, 12 volts at 75 mA. Using a 12 volt lamp on a 9 volt source is helpful - you don't need the maximum intensity and the lamp will last longer on lower voltage. Simply solder (if you can't, find a friend) the lamp on the end of the double wire and either tape or shrink sleeve the base of the lamp so it will not short out when inserted into your slide. The lamp has two connections: the tip and shell. This is low voltage stuff so don't worry about electrical shocks or high currents that would cause damage. When used, the lamp is inserted into one side of the outer slide and pushed down until it goes around the crook and appears on the other side. One should see nothing but shiny brass. This is an easy way to see the progress that is being made when you use Wright's Brass Polish as recommended by the Slide Dr. Regards, Frank From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:37 2000 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:35:16 GMT From: "Christopher Smith" To: yeo@yeodoug.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Buzz Wow and Mega mutes Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi all, Re: Mega Mute This was so named because in shape, it resembles a megaphone (like the ones cheerleaders use). These mutes were made of wood and fiber, and looked like a straight mute with a skirt. The end of the straight mute section (about 3 inches into the skirt) had a hole with a narrow tube extending into the body of the mute. The Solotone mutes followed somewhat the same design, but had a sort of "double mute" appearance because the skirt on the end was smaller and cone-shaped. The old Mega has a slightly less nasal sound than the newer Solotones or Mel-O-Wahs. My guess is that the publishers of a lot of stock band arrangements in the 20's and 30's also had an interest in certain mute-manufacturing companies. You see the Mega and Ray Robinson mutes referred to ALL the time in charts from that period. (Before someone asks, the Ray Robinson mutes were just a certain brand of straight and cup mutes.) In the near future I intend to write a grandiose composition for trombone choir which I envision becoming a standard academic and ITA recital piece. This piece will call for the use of two new different mutes (which I have invented) and will be available for purchase from my website. Those of you in academia will catch the gist of my drift.... Re: buzz-wow >>Is that the mute with all the nuts and bolts and vibrating stuff on >>it? ----snip--- Has anyone ever really used it? +++++++++++ I have one of these. It usually stays in the mute bag, unless I'm feeling a little nutty. It is essentially a filled-in cup mute with three kazoo resonators (wire mesh, washers, wax paper) attached at the end. The nuts (no bolts) are there so the amount of buzz (and resulting audience "Wow!") can be regulated to suit your tastes. I find it is useful for quiet, mysterious kinds of playing. The more quietly you play it, the more prominent the buzz is in relation to the tone. When it is played in the high range and/or at high volume, the buzz is lessened a good bit. Later, Chris www.geocities.com/~christo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:37 2000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:23:05 -0400 From: "Andrew Elms" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: buzz wow Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a tenor buzz-wow. probably my favorite mute. I used it once in a pit orchestra for a little comedic part that was written with cup mute. Scared the heck out of the trumpet player in front of me. The director asked me to do it for the real show, I guess they liked it. Andy -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Tom Izzo Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 7:58 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: buzz wow Hi Mike & all, > At 02:57 PM 10/10/2000, you wrote: > >Hey, all................how about the famous "buzz-wow" mute ?? > > > Is that the mute with all the nuts and bolts and vibrating stuff on it? Yes it is. If > so, it is the stupidest mute I've ever seen! Has anyone ever really used it? hahahahaha Yes, believe it or not. I only have one size though, for me Soprano Trombone (Trumpet size). I've never seen a Tenor or Bass Trb model. Tom > > mike > From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:37 2000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:14:37 -0400 From: "Roger Carmichael" To: Subject: Slide Bag Message-ID: <007a01c03329$02f59ae0$a97a0b3f@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0077_01C03307.7A8B21A0"
Anyone know where I can buy a bag or case for a trombone slide only?
 
Thanks,
Roger Carmichael
Bass Trombonist, Burt Massengale Big Band
 
 From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:37 2000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:44:00 -0500 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Re: Slide Bag Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" If you're in the US, go to Wal-Mart and check out their rifle and shotgun cases. Soft foam lining, hard plastic exterior. Chris >Anyone know where I can buy a bag or case for a trombone slide only? > >Thanks, >Roger Carmichael >Bass Trombonist, Burt Massengale Big Band > -- _________________________________________ Chris Waage chris@trombone.org Associate Webmaster The Online Trombone Journal http://www.trombone.org From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:37 2000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:37:58 -0500 From: "Joseph Sellmansberger" To: "trombone list" Subject: Re: Slide Bag Message-ID: <007c01c03334$aa3219e0$a9844a0c@vogmudet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0079_01C0330A.BE0EBBA0"
As a brass instrument repairman, I encourage all of you not to think in terms of putting any of your delicate equipment in any bag.
 
I am certainly not aware of all products available (as the availability of new music-related products seems to be growing exponentially), but if no one actually makes a slide CASE, let me point out that the trombone playing slide is basically a flat rectangular shape, and that it should be fairly easy to find someone (if not yourself) to make a nice, hingled, wooden, well-padded rectangular box to meet this purpose.
 
Regards to the list,
 
Joe S.
 
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Anyone know where I can buy a bag or case for a trombone slide only?
 
Thanks,
Roger Carmichael
Bass Trombonist, Burt Massengale Big Band
 
 From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:37 2000 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 03:44:10 GMT From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Slide Bag Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I saw some cases that looked as if they would fit a slide or two at a gun store. I was there buying accessories for my gun cleaning rod. No, I donāt own a gun. I have a better weapon, a Conn Director. I use a gun cleaning brass brush to take crud out of inner slides. I use a 12 gage wool gun cleaning swab to polish the insides of outer slides. DanP >From: "Roger Carmichael" >Reply-To: pedalnote@peoplepc.com >To: "Trombones and related issues forum." >Subject: Slide Bag >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:14:37 -0400 > >Anyone know where I can buy a bag or case for a trombone slide only? > >Thanks, >Roger Carmichael >Bass Trombonist, Burt Massengale Big Band > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:37 2000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:29:40 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Slide Bag Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001010232719.00a97100@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:14 PM 10/10/00 -0400, Roger Carmichael wrote: >Anyone know where I can buy a bag or case for a trombone slide only? > >Thanks, >Roger Carmichael >Bass Trombonist, Burt Massengale Big Band > The Slide Doctor makes wooden shipping cases for slides. This might be all you need. Dolly Bags makes foam-lines nylon slide bag that slip inside the main gig bag. She normally puts plywood on one side. If you just want a slide bag by itself, I'm sure she would be happy to make it with plywood insert on both sides. From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:37 2000 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:58:28 -0800 From: "Paul Hill" To: Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Slide Bag Message-ID: <002701c0333f$e604bbc0$6ca2fea9@navak-n01n> I'm with Chris... I recently "rifled" through a Cabela's catalog while on the stairmaster and had this EXACT thought when I got to the rifle and shotgun cases. The cases which made most sense were for "breakdown" shotguns...several models from 32-38 inches long, made of plastic, aluminum or diamond tread and foam lined from $55 - $160. Best Regards, Paul From ???@??? Wed Oct 11 08:08:37 2000 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:45:17 -0500 From: "Michael P. Coyle" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: I stand corrected! Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001011004509.00ab7d30@bramson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Who'd a thunk it? I guess the Buzz Wow is indeed a legit mute. I must just be too conservative for my own good :-) Thanks to all who wrote to me and shared their Buzz Wow stories, desires, and fantasies. mike _______________________________ Michael P. Coyle Director, Multimedia Gallery Online Trombone Journal www.trombone.org