TROMBONE-L Digest 1630 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Playing sharp by "r wilson" 2) ETW 2000 is in the books! by "Dave Mackey" 3) Re: Boston Baritone by "Dave Burch" 4) Re: Shameless plug by "Dave Burch" 5) Just checkin'. by "Gary Maxwell" 6) Alteri Double gig bag for sale by "Chad Horsley" 7) SV: Just checkin'. by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Marius_Helg=E5?= 8) Orlando area by "Todd Slothower" 9) Re: Sharp by Wayne Dyess 10) Brass Band? by Thomas Nelson 11) Finding Dave Houser by mpurdy@jwpepper.com 12) test - delete by "Gary Maxwell" 13) Stolen Elkhart 8h !!!!! Please read.. by Dave Tall 14) Re: Boston Baritone by "J.c. Sherman" 15) Tenor Monette mouthpiece for sale by "P&J Olsson" 16) TEST by "Dick Sleeman" 17) Re: Alteri Double gig bag for sale by Craig Parmerlee 18) Tuners? by MBennetts@aol.com 19) Re: Sharp by "Daniel Pliskin" 20) Re: jazz/improv by Eric and Candice Swanson 21) Re: Sharp by MikeSuter@aol.com 22) Re: Mouthpiece Question by Walter Barrett 23) Re: Boston Baritone by "Adrian Drover" 24) Re: ETW 2000 is in the books! by David Buckley 25) Re: jazz/improv by "Adrian Drover" 26) Tuners are our friends by "Johnson, Scott (TBS)" 27) Re: Brass Band? by "Richard Barrett" 28) Re: jazz/improv by "Daniel Pliskin" 29) Re: Boston Baritone by "Adrian Drover" 30) Re: Alteri Double gig bag for sale by "John McVey" 31) Re: Tuners are our friends by MBennetts@aol.com 32) Re: Brass Band? by Larry White 33) Tromba da tirarsi? by Douglas Yeo 34) RE: Tuners are our friends by "Johnson, Scott (TBS)" 35) Re: jazz/improv by Wayne Dyess 36) Re: Brass Band? by "Joe L. Norcross" 37) Re: Tromba da tirarsi? by almacdonald@att.net 38) New Marine Band Bass Trombonist by Randy Campora 39) RE: Tuners are our friends by "John Lavoie" 40) Choice of doubling mouthpiece by Craig Parmerlee 41) Lebedev Concerto by Antonio Henrique Seixas 42) Oh Yes, Mouthpiece advice by "Mike Ross" 43) Re: ETW 2000 is in the books! by Glum26@aol.com 44) Re: Lebedev Concerto by Antonio Henrique Seixas 45) Re: Alteri Double gig bag for sale by SFTrombone@aol.com 46) Re: Tuners are our friends by "Dave Mackey" 47) Re: Tuners are our friends by Craig Parmerlee 48) Re: Tuners are our friends by "Dave Mackey" 49) Re: Choice of doubling mouthpiece by Jeff Albert 50) Fw: Altieri double gig bag by "Chad Horsley" 51) Monette TT5 Tenor Mouthpiece for sale by "P&J Olsson" 52) Re: Oh Yes, Mouthpiece advice by Andrew Michael 53) Re: Oh Yes, Mouthpiece advice by JoshuaSL@aol.com 54) Re: Tromba da tirarsi? by JFBermann@aol.com 55) Re: Tromba da tirarsi? by "Dick Sleeman" 56) Re: Tromba da tirarsi? by Howard Weiner From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:28 2000 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:13:52 -0600 From: "r wilson" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Playing sharp Message-ID: <000c01bf91be$1f6527c0$c7b51ed1@ronbo3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Playing sharp A Dallas area trumpet player once told me, "It's better to play sharp than out of tune". And so he did. ron wilson Principal Trombone, Ft. Worth Symphony From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:28 2000 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:39:57 -0500 From: "Dave Mackey" To: Subject: ETW 2000 is in the books! Message-ID: <007101bf91f4$0ea1dd80$9043c7d0@DaveMackey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow! Finally made it to an ETW, and I can assure you this will be on my itinerary annually from now on. So many great soloists, ensembles, and sections. We overdosed on three days of fantastic playing. One of the other list denizens, Ed Herbert, has long told me about the typical trombone player's reaction to Eastern. Thursday night, after hearing the first few performances (all technically solid!) you want to take your horn and turn it into a lamp or festive planter. Friday, you watch as players one after the other nail high F's and then you think... "maybe I could do that." On Saturday, you then hit the dealer's room and look for items to help you with your play, and after the Grand Concert, you go home firmly resolved to better yourself as a trombonist. I picked up a tuner and the book of Emory Remington warmups, two items I wished I'd had years ago. Oh, and a poster of Turre from the Yamaha booth. The performances were fantastic! I don't know where to start. Joe Alessi (who played the hell outta Schuller's "Eine Kleine Posaunenmusik"), Harry Watters, the NSO trombone section with an intonation clinic (thank you Milt Stevens!), the Capitol Bones, the Army Blues aided and abetted by two fine jazz players, John Fedchock and Deborah Weisz, the Philadelphia Orchestra trombone section, the Eastman Trombone Choir, New York Trombone Conspiracy, Matt Niess and the Capitol Bones... my calendar is already marked for next year! Dave Mackey From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:28 2000 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:30:07 -0500 From: "Dave Burch" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Boston Baritone Message-ID: <003a01bf91fb$109e6ca0$af2344d8@desktoppc.mhp.health-partners.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Liz, There is an English baritone, and there is an English mouthpiece shank for the euphonium. You are thinking of the latter, which is indeed somewhere between a standard tenor trombone shank and bass trombone shank. An English baritone, on the other hand, is smaller in bore than a euphonium and commonly takes a standard tenor trombone shank. I play a Besson English baritone in the Cincinnati Brass Band, and our euphonium soloist plays an older Besson euph with an English shank receiver. Dave Burch -----Original Message----- From: Elisabeth Frederick To: Trombones and related issues forum. Date: Saturday, March 18, 2000 6:22 PM Subject: Re: Boston Baritone >Jim, > >Isn't the shank size between a tenor and bass trombone an english baritone?? > >Liz > >jimandcat@juno.com wrote: > >> A new student brought in a double bell silver-plated baritone. The >> inscription on the bell is "Boston Musical Instrument Co." or something >> very similar. Right under that is inscribed"Manna'fy' ". The serial # is >> 11,1(XX). Its a small bore bell but the leadpipe is somewhere between a >> tenor and bass shank. It was a donation to her jr. college. It is very >> stuffy but has a very pleasing tone and is fairly in tune. >> >> Does anyone know anything about that company or about when the horn was >> built? >> >> Jim Prindle >> ________________________________________________________________ >> YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >> Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >> Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >> http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:28 2000 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:12:02 -0500 From: "Dave Burch" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Shameless plug Message-ID: <000c01bf91f8$8a7fa000$af2344d8@desktoppc.mhp.health-partners.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My wife and I did go hear the Dayton Jazz Orchestra last night, and they are excellent. They played a whole evening of Stan Kenton music after basically one rehearsal, and did a brilliant job. You can see their performance schedule at http://www.activedayton.com/community/groups/DJO/ I have to add that if you have the chance to witness Bob Curnow lead an evening of Stan Kenton music, go. Bob is a former Kenton trombonist, producer, and arranger, and his comments were as entertaining as the music. His publishing business, Sierra Music, has available 80 or more of Kenton's most popular charts, beautifully typeset and printed on quality paper so you don't ruin your eyes trying to read it ( http://www.sierramusic.com/ ). --Dave Burch -----Original Message----- From: MikeSuter@aol.com To: Trombones and related issues forum. Date: Saturday, March 18, 2000 1:08 PM Subject: Re: Shameless plug >Last spring the Mike Vax Band shared the stage at Centerville H.S. with the >Dayton Jazz Orchestra. If you're ANYWHERE in the area on the 18th, you've >gotta go hear them. They are excellent. > >All The Best, Mike Suter > From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:28 2000 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:41:06 -0800 From: "Gary Maxwell" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Just checkin'. Message-ID: <000701bf91f4$38259ca0$bc02a5d1@maxwells> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is it true that ALL trombonists have 'gigs' this weekend and have no time for the "L"? Fabulous!! Gary Maxwell From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:28 2000 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:32:53 -0800 From: "Chad Horsley" To: , Subject: Alteri Double gig bag for sale Message-ID: <003701bf920c$36ded7e0$3996fea9@nch1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01BF91C9.27C8FA80"
I purchased an Alteri double gig bag when I went to the ITF in Boulder (98). It is a great, well constructed bag, but I am afraid that I can't afford it, since I don't use it enough. It is in Excellent shape and hopefully will be on eBay in a few days, but I just thought I would put it on here first. It has all the stuff to take a tenor and an alto.....huge space for everything else.
 
$250obo......anyone interested please reply.....
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 From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:28 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:47:43 +0100 From: Marius HelgŒ To: "Trombones and related issues forum. (E-post)" Subject: SV: Just checkin'. Message-ID: <08DE9E06D7D1D31194D200A0C9EC5F7F0BB8A0@julie.nb.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Played with Mo Phil. Orchestra yesterday, a concert presenting young soloists from the area, unfortunately no trombonists, but some great guitarists, flutists and fiddle players. Marius HelgŒ Bass Trombone Mo i Rana, Norway > -----Opprinnelig melding----- > Fra: Gary Maxwell [mailto:gdmaxwell@lightspeed.net] > Sendt: 19. mars 2000 23:41 > Til: Trombones and related issues forum. > Emne: Just checkin'. > > > Is it true that ALL trombonists have 'gigs' this weekend and > have no time > for the "L"? Fabulous!! > Gary Maxwell > From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:28 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:12:06 -0600 From: "Todd Slothower" To: Subject: Orlando area Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi everyone! I am travelling to Orlando, Fla. with family in mid April. I really hate to put the horn down for nearly two weeks while I am there. Do any of you know of any retired age or community bands that I could sit in with? Your help would be much appreciated. Todd Slothower Illinois From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:28 2000 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:48:31 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess To: dboan@bluecrab.org Cc: Trombone-L Subject: Re: Sharp Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >I have just started playing in a band again after a 10 year layoff. I >have found that I do OK playing on tune when I practice, but when I come >to a solo part or a performance I end up playing sharp. Does anyone >else experience this and have any tips for staying on tune? You most likely are getting tense... RELAX. You simply need some old fashioned FACE TIME. We are, after all, dealing with muscles. Yours have simply gotten out of "tone." RELAXATION and regular, daily practice. --Wayne Dyess __________________________ Wayne Dyess, Professor of Music Lamar University P. O. Box 10044 Beaumont, Texas 77710 409-880-8146 FAX: 409-880-8143 dyessjw@hal.lamar.edu http://www.lamar.edu From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:28 2000 Date: 20 Mar 2000 09:00:56 -0500 From: Thomas Nelson To: Subject: Brass Band? Message-ID: <-1258579648TNelson@tipton.k12.ia.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-Ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I was just wondering how many of us on this list are members of a brass band? I'll be nice and include the directors as well. (I was just wondering this with the North American Brass Band Championships coming up this month.) -- Thomas L. Nelson Band Director, Tipton High School, Tipton, Iowa "Gig Guy" & Bass Trombonist Eastern Iowa Brass Band Check out the Eastern Iowa Brass Band at: http://soli.inav.net/~eibb/more.html From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:29 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:04:45 -0500 From: mpurdy@jwpepper.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Finding Dave Houser Message-ID: <200003201505.KAA59120@jimmy.jwpepper.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dear List: Does anyone have the phone number or address of custom mouthpiece builder Dave Houser? My info is out dated. Many thanks, Mike MWP mpurdy@jwpepper.com From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:29 2000 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:15:18 -0800 From: "Gary Maxwell" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: test - delete Message-ID: <001101bf9222$e75df0e0$ba02a5d1@maxwells> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:29 2000 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:53:01 -0700 From: Dave Tall To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Stolen Elkhart 8h !!!!! Please read.. Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000319125301.009db9c0@mail.sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This is a note I received from Gordon Cherry, who asked that I post it to the trombone-l. >From: Gordon Cherry > >Dear colleague and friend, > >I am sorry to write you this impersonal letter, however, I need to >cover as much territory as possible. > >Last Wednesday March 1st, my vintage 1965 "H" series 1965 Elkhart >Conn 8H trombone, serial # H49090 was stolen. It was on loan to a >student of mine who had had his university locker broken into and two >trombones stolen just 6 weeks before. I won't go into many details >of the theft, just to say that it was caused by the student's >momentary inattention on a city bus when the he was not actually >holding the instrument. The thief just walked off the bus with the >trombone in hand and probably took it straight to a pawn shop for >cash. We are trying to track down the instrument, but the pawn shops >are as crooked as the thieves. > >I need your help in two ways. First, it is remotely possible that >the trombone made it out of Vancouver to your area of the country If >you see or hear of an older model 8H for sale on eBay, etc. or show >up at a flea market, or whatever, please take a gander and see if it >matches the serial number H49090. It is in an older wooden black >Conn case. The hand grips have been replaced, so the serial number >is only showing on the outer slide at the top just underneath the >hand grip. The instrument has about 70% lacquer showing with only >very small mute dings, no major dents. There may be a grubby looking >padded medical bandage covering the grip (to help with holding it). > >Secondly, I am in the market for a Conn Elkhart 8h from the same >vintage (1965 "H" series serial number), if my instrument doesn't >surface within a month or two. Presently I am playing on a beautiful >new Shires trombone that I started playing on in September '99. I >know some of you have the same nostalgia for the older Conns as I do. >Many of you probably know about this instrument, have heard me >perform on it, have even tooted on it yourself. I bought it from >Bill Reichenbach back in 1971, after he had used it as his "jazz" >horn at Eastman. He had picked it out from over 30 brand new 8h's in >Baltimore in 1967 and it is a beauty. The sound and response is like >no other trombone I have ever played. If this trombone doesn't show >up, I would like to replace it. If you know if one that is available >I would be ever grateful to you if you sent me a note. > >Regards, > >Gordon Cherry > > Dave Tall Bass Trombonist New Mexico Symphony From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:29 2000 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 13:56:18 -0500 From: "J.c. Sherman" To: eljaywhite@telus.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Boston Baritone Message-ID: <38D522D1.BBBF19BE@clevelandopera.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think they are probably speaking of the english shank, found on multitudes of euphs, early conn 8H's from the 20's, and on some G bass bones, rather than a true baritone. Though I say euphonium for these things, I've given up the fight against the misuse of nomenclature - it's a losing battle. In any cass, the Boston musical instrument Co. had a long history, since before the civil war through the 30's (if I remember correctly). That double bell would be a rare find indeed! J.c. Sherman Larry White wrote: > I think we might be off topic here. Could this instrument really not be an > euphonium. Seems to me that a fellow by Harry Sparks who played in a Salvation > ARmy band in Hollywood and latterly Pasadena when the congregation moved, played > this type of beast when he was much younger. If he were still playing today he > would be close if not surpassing 60 yrs of banding. I believe a lot of > americans, no disrespect meant, misunderstand a smaller bore euph as a baritone, > and vice versa. > I frankly in all of my time in banding have never heard of a shank size making > an instrument an English Baritone, but then I admit I do not know all as well. > JMHO, > Larry White > Vancouver BC > > Elisabeth Frederick wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > Isn't the shank size between a tenor and bass trombone an english baritone?? > > > > Liz > > > > jimandcat@juno.com wrote: > > > > > A new student brought in a double bell silver-plated baritone. The > > > inscription on the bell is "Boston Musical Instrument Co." or something > > > very similar. Right under that is inscribed"Manna'fy' ". The serial # is > > > 11,1(XX). Its a small bore bell but the leadpipe is somewhere between a > > > tenor and bass shank. It was a donation to her jr. college. It is very > > > stuffy but has a very pleasing tone and is fairly in tune. > > > > > > Does anyone know anything about that company or about when the horn was > > > built? > > > > > > Jim Prindle > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > > > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > > > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:29 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:00:52 -0500 From: "P&J Olsson" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Tenor Monette mouthpiece for sale Message-ID: <001901bf9274$b5ee05c0$f3c444ce@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi listers, Still have the Tenor TT5 Monette for sale $150, very good condition. Originally $235 John Olsson From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:29 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:02:07 +0100 From: "Dick Sleeman" To: "Trombones and related issues forum" Subject: TEST Message-ID: <000401bf9286$57f65e60$0b7dadc1@dick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit XQQQME, just testing From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:29 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:21:11 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: Subject: Re: Alteri Double gig bag for sale Message-ID: <4.3.0.20000320111709.00ad06b0@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:32 PM 3/19/00 -0800, Chad Horsley wrote: >I purchased an Alteri double gig bag when I went to the ITF in Boulder >(98). It is a great, well constructed bag, but I am afraid that I can't >afford it, since I don't use it enough. It is in Excellent shape and >hopefully will be on eBay in a few days, but I just thought I would put it >on here first. It has all the stuff to take a tenor and an alto.....huge >space for everything else. A friend of mine just had Dollly Bags make him a double bag for bass and large bore tenor with F attach. It really isn't as unwieldy as you might think. I just thought I'd mention this in case somebody else wants that setup. See http://www.indianamusic.com/db/dollybag.htm From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:29 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:28:05 EST From: MBennetts@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Tuners? Message-ID: <11.1f7769b.2607b9a5@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In a message dated 03/20/00 8:36:16 AM Central Standard Time, dave@davemackey.com writes: > I picked up a tuner and the book of Emory > Remington warmups, two items I wished I'd had years ago. I did the Emory Remington warmups acquisition myself a few months ago, and I agree with you 100%. The purchase was years late but I plan to catch up as quickly as possible. Can you (and anybody else with insight) say a bit more about the tuner: why, what kind, how do you use it/benefit from it, etc.? I've always thought tuning consisted of (Step 1): Tune to the oboe or the piano or whatever else the boss says to tune to, and (Step 2): Listen carefully all the time you're playing. I've obviously missed some nuances. Mike Bennett --------------- "All priests in my diocese are hereby urged to play the trombone since this instrument can make God's voice heard". 16th Century Bishop of VŠsterŒs, Sweden From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:29 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:29:20 PST From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Sharp Message-ID: <20000320172920.27504.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >You most likely are getting tense... RELAX. > >You simply need some old fashioned FACE TIME. We are, after all, >dealing with muscles. Yours have simply gotten out of "tone." > >RELAXATION and regular, daily practice. The other day I found that I couldnāt smile, even if I wanted to. My facial muscles were too tight. So, I started working with the mirror, in my practice area. After I while I found that I, once again, had my broad, relaxed grin back. Iād be willing to believe that people will treat you as if youāre in a bad mood, if you canāt get your face into that smile shape. Iād say itās something to watch out for. Thereās nothing that opens doors, as well as a smile. DanP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:29 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:52:36 +0000 From: Eric and Candice Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: jazz/improv Message-ID: <38D61F0A.87F40641@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Weston Sprott wrote: > I'm a high school student. I have a strong classical background, but I want > to look into jazz also. ... ... I would like some suggestions about learning > improv or at > least getting started with improv. > > Weston, I highly recommend a software program call Band-in-a-Box. It is a very inexpensive program, I only paid about $49 at Brasswind. I recommend getting some kind of sound module or card with the General Midi sounds so it will sound extremely good. It will work with just the computer, but I understand the sounds aren't too realistic. I only know about Macintosh, but somebody on this list can point you towards what to use with those other computers. Band-in-a-Box allows you to play any song you want, at any tempo, in any key, in any style, so it's much more flexible that buying the hundreds of Aebersold CDs at $20 or whatever each. If you have any questions about it e-mail me. Their web site is http://www.pgmusic.com/ Eric Swanson (Dallas freelance trombonist) From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:29 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:56:52 EST From: MikeSuter@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Sharp Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <> Or maybe just some "time time." Sure, you've not played in a long time, but you've also not performed in a long time. Whether overt or not, that may be causing some degree of stress. And, as has been mentioned in the last couple of days, stress can cause pitch difficulties. I'll bet the problem lessens as you perform more often. All The Best, Mike Suter From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:29 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:07:39 -0500 From: Walter Barrett To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Mouthpiece Question Message-ID: <38D676F4.ECC3DB1F@bestweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sabutin@mindspring.com wrote: > > > I just play the m'pce that works best w/whatever horn I'm playing, and > deal w/the rim differences as best as I can. > > At the beginning, this was very hard. However, after many years of > doubling from tuba to high tenor, rims don't matter that much to me any > more, as long as I get a day or so to practice them before playing anything > really challenging.. > > S. Allen-I also do quite a bit of doubling, but my approach is a little different from Sam's as far as changing mouthpieces goes, but, hey, there's more than one way to skin a cat! When I first started getting calls for instruments other than tuba or bass trombone, I figured that I should make things easier on myself and keep at least one variable the same. That was the rim. Since I use a Schilke 60 on my bass bone, I had Scott Laskey, formerly with Schilke, make me up a mpce for large tenor with a 60 rim and the equivalent of a 51D cup. Since then, I've also gotten a mpce for small tenor (60 rim, 51 cup, small shank) and the one that I use on alto and bass trumpet is the same as the small tenor, but a bit shallower. On euphonium, I use a stock 60 with the throat opened up. One important thing that Scott did was to shorten the shanks on the 2 tenor and the alto mpces, because with the increased cup volume, they would have played flat otherwise. So, the only horn I change rims on is tuba (Yamaha 67), which isn't that much of a change from a 60! It's definitely easier for me to go from a big horn to a little one, and I'll bet that Sam feels the same. The mpce doesn't play high notes for you, it's your chops. Biased opinion mode>>>With a smaller mpce., you have to make little teeny changes in the high register, so they make it easier to splat/overshoot high notes, especially at higher volumes. With a bigger mpce., you don't need that kind of finesse, a bigger change'll do it. Of course, it DOES take more strength!<< To: "Trombone List" Subject: Re: Boston Baritone Message-ID: <009e01bf92a0$410480a0$a96b01d5@v4v3j2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Elisabeth Frederick To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 11:24 PM Subject: Re: Boston Baritone > Isn't the shank size between a tenor and bass trombone an english baritone?? I don't believe that any British Baritones were ever built with a double bell. This innovation was purely an American idea, and the instrument is probably more Euph than Bari, at least somewhere in-between the two British instruments in bore size. Whereas the shape and size of Euph and Bari have always been distinctly obvious in the UK, I believe the "Baritone" label has at times been used to describe either horn in the States. This practice is probably now in decline in the US, due to the growth of the British style Brass Band movement, which uses a pair of each of these horns for their contrasting tonal qualities. A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk http://www.adios.co.uk From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:29 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:22:22 -0500 From: David Buckley To: dave@davemackey.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: ETW 2000 is in the books! Message-ID: <38D67A6E.94CE39E@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Totally agree with Dave. I just got home and am adding up the bills for music. Was tempted by the new Conn 52H with the 88h rose bell and a 525/547 slide. It spoke as easily as my 88h but was brighter - useful for my brass band stuff maybe instead of the bach 36 I use now . I'll bet UMI will sell lots of slides only for this. Scott Shelsta as usual did a wonderful organization job despite not having the small reciral hall available. Actually the spaces in the schedule were nice as there was time to eat and visit the booths without missing events. One quibble with UMI - They had a 88h with the Lindergh valve on display Sat with a slide that was unplayable. I'm sure they can do better than that for shows. Dave Buckley. Dave Mackey wrote: > Wow! Finally made it to an ETW, and I can assure you this will be on my > itinerary annually from now on. So many great soloists, ensembles, and > sections. We overdosed on three days of fantastic playing. > > One of the other list denizens, Ed Herbert, has long told me about the > typical trombone player's reaction to Eastern. > > Thursday night, after hearing the first few performances (all technically > solid!) you want to take your horn and turn it into a lamp or festive > planter. > > Friday, you watch as players one after the other nail high F's and then you > think... "maybe I could do that." > > On Saturday, you then hit the dealer's room and look for items to help you > with your play, and after the Grand Concert, you go home firmly resolved to > better yourself as a trombonist. I picked up a tuner and the book of Emory > Remington warmups, two items I wished I'd had years ago. Oh, and a poster of > Turre from the Yamaha booth. > > The performances were fantastic! I don't know where to start. Joe Alessi > (who played the hell outta Schuller's "Eine Kleine Posaunenmusik"), Harry > Watters, the NSO trombone section with an intonation clinic (thank you Milt > Stevens!), the Capitol Bones, the Army Blues aided and abetted by two fine > jazz players, John Fedchock and Deborah Weisz, the Philadelphia Orchestra > trombone section, the Eastman Trombone Choir, New York Trombone Conspiracy, > Matt Niess and the Capitol Bones... my calendar is already marked for next > year! > > Dave Mackey From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:29 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:04:10 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: jazz/improv Message-ID: <00b701bf92a8$29e68f00$a96b01d5@v4v3j2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric and Candice Swanson To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 12:52 PM Subject: Re: jazz/improv > Band-in-a-Box allows you to play any song you want, at any tempo, in any key, > in any style, so it's much more flexible that buying the hundreds of Aebersold > CDs at $20 or whatever each. Any song, any tempo, any key, any style??? Wow! Howzabout "Ride of the Valkyries" as a duet in the style of Frank and Nancy Sinatra, for Serpent and Bagpipes with Accordion and Banjo accompaniment, hmmm let's see, key of G# (mixo-lydian mode), in 13/8 time at a tempo of 963 hemi-demi-semiquavers to the minute? It can? Right on!, I'll take a copy. A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk http://www.adios.co.uk From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:29 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:14:24 -0500 From: "Johnson, Scott (TBS)" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Tuners are our friends Message-ID: <5D9A184FEEEDD211A4050000F81FD0E803095F72@cnncmx04.turner.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mike, As someone who has not been playing very long, a tuner has been very helpful for me personally as I try to learn to tame our "Beast." I use it mostly in practice (not all the time though) as an aid to better slide position training. I find it is really useful to help zero in on pitches in 3rd thru 5th positions. I know that different notes will have to be adjusted slightly to work within some harmonic structures, but the tuner helps me get close to finding accurate "usual" positions as well as those alternates in flat 4th, sharp 3rd, etc. I bought a Korg CA-20 which is a credit card sized chromatic tuner with quite a large range. You can calibrate it for various pitches relative to 'A' from, I believe, A435-A445. And it sells for under $20 (US). It's also good for calibrating your first position slide(s) before tuning your "second position slide" to the orchestra's 'A'. Works for me, anyway. Regards, Scott Johnson Conyers, GA USA -----Original Message----- From: MBennetts@aol.com [mailto:MBennetts@aol.com] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 12:28 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Tuners? In a message dated 03/20/00 8:36:16 AM Central Standard Time, dave@davemackey.com writes: > I picked up a tuner and the book of Emory > Remington warmups, two items I wished I'd had years ago. I did the Emory Remington warmups acquisition myself a few months ago, and I agree with you 100%. The purchase was years late but I plan to catch up as quickly as possible. Can you (and anybody else with insight) say a bit more about the tuner: why, what kind, how do you use it/benefit from it, etc.? I've always thought tuning consisted of (Step 1): Tune to the oboe or the piano or whatever else the boss says to tune to, and (Step 2): Listen carefully all the time you're playing. I've obviously missed some nuances. Mike Bennett --------------- "All priests in my diocese are hereby urged to play the trombone since this instrument can make God's voice heard". 16th Century Bishop of VŠsterŒs, Sweden From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:29 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:23:56 -0000 From: "Richard Barrett" To: "Thomas Nelson" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Brass Band? Message-ID: <004001bf92aa$3a7672c0$a920883e@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am. Started life as a euph player in the north east of England. stopped for about 20 years and came back as a trombonist 15 months ago. Played my first contest since then just over a week ago. I am enjoying it tremendously. Playing a Conn 8H helps. Richard Reddish and Gorton Band -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Nelson To: Trombones and related issues forum. Date: 20 March 2000 14:58 Subject: Brass Band? >I was just wondering how many of us on this list are members of a brass band? > >I'll be nice and include the directors as well. > >(I was just wondering this with the North American Brass Band Championships coming up this month.) >-- >Thomas L. Nelson >Band Director, Tipton High School, Tipton, Iowa >"Gig Guy" & Bass Trombonist Eastern Iowa Brass Band >Check out the Eastern Iowa Brass Band at: >http://soli.inav.net/~eibb/more.html > > > > From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:29 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:24:26 PST From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: jazz/improv Message-ID: <20000320202426.17952.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > Band-in-a-Box allows you to play any song you want, at any tempo, in any >key, > > in any style, so it's much more flexible that buying the hundreds of >Aebersold > > CDs at $20 or whatever each. Can anyone tell me how Band in a Box compares with Jammer? Thanks, DanP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:30 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:27:24 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Re: Boston Baritone Message-ID: <010801bf92aa$e3d8e000$a96b01d5@v4v3j2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Elisabeth Frederick wrote: > Isn't the shank size between a tenor and bass trombone an english baritone?? I don't believe that any British Baritones were ever built with a double bell. This innovation was purely an American idea, and the instrument is probably more Euph than Bari, at least somewhere in-between the two British instruments in bore size. Whereas the shape and size of Euph and Bari have always been distinctly obvious in the UK, I believe the "Baritone" label has at times been used to describe either horn in the States. This practice is probably now in decline in the US, due to the growth of the British style Brass Band movement, which uses a pair of each of these horns for their contrasting tonal qualities. A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk http://www.adios.co.uk From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:30 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:00:26 -0500 From: "John McVey" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Alteri Double gig bag for sale Message-ID: <852568A8.0073489A.00@m-ms03.frb.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=8NKvJ7tWEqmozZeRgRQs5m48AOkS7rrD5rMSqopFhk2ahFcVqWuWMCsH" Content-Disposition: inline I bought one of these last year for $230 +$10 shipping new directly from Donna Altieri. See their website at http://www.altieribags.com/ and you can contact her via E-Mail at donna@altieribags.com . The $250 price below is a bit much for a 2 year old bag. Mine was OK for carrying two horns: a bass and a large tenor, but it offers little protection for the bells. But the slide box holds both slides and offers excellent protection. john "Chad Horsley" on 03/19/2000 08:32:53 PM Please respond to tbneplyer@mindspring.com To: "Trombones and related issues forum." cc: (bcc: John McVey/IRM/FRBOG/US) Subjec Alteri Double gig bag for sale t: I purchased an Alteri double gig bag when I went to the ITF in Boulder (98). It is a great, well constructed bag, but I am afraid that I can't afford it, since I don't use it enough. It is in Excellent shape and hopefully will be on eBay in a few days, but I just thought I would put it on here first. It has all the stuff to take a tenor and an alto.....huge space for everything else. $250obo......anyone interested please reply..... ---------------------------------------------------- Chad Horsley tbneplyer@mindspring.com AIM....tbneplyer Content-type: text/html; name="att1.htm" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="att1.htm" Content-Description: Internet HTML Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:att1.htm (TEXT/MSIE) (00028030) From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:30 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:16:14 EST From: MBennetts@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Tuners are our friends Message-ID: <6c.2478b2e.2607ef1e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In a message dated 03/20/00 2:15:18 PM Central Standard Time, Scott.Johnson@turner.com writes: > I bought a Korg CA-20 which is a credit card sized chromatic tuner with quite > a large range. You can calibrate it for various pitches relative to 'A' from, > I believe, A435-A445. And it sells for under $20 (US) I don't know much about the options available for tuners. Do I understand that a "chromatic tuner with quite a large range" is one that permits you to tune to any one of several pitches (not just "A") and will show you whether you are sharp, flat, or right on ------ for under $20? Heck, that's a lot less than I paid for the laser pointer that I tease the cat with! Mike Bennett --------------- "All priests in my diocese are hereby urged to play the trombone since this instrument can make God's voice heard". 16th Century Bishop of VŠsterŒs, Sweden From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:30 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:57:33 -0800 From: Larry White To: Thomas Nelson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Brass Band? Message-ID: <38D69ECD.1516F613@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Right here, Larry White Vancouver BC, Canada Thomas Nelson wrote: > I was just wondering how many of us on this list are members of a brass band? > > I From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:30 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:05:03 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Tromba da tirarsi? Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I've been enjoying Volume 8 of the compete cantatas of JS Bach as recorded by Ton Koopman and The Amesterdam Baroque Orchestra and Choir (the series is on Erato) and almost drove off the road when the 3rd movement of Cantata BWV 90 (Es reisset euch ein schrecklich Ende") came on. It is an aria for Bass and has a virtuoso part for an instrument listed as "Tromba da tirarsi." This is a remarkable part - fast chromatic playing (legato) in the middle/upper (but not clarino) register, not your average fare for natural trumpet. (Stephen Keavy plays the tromba da tirarsi - and quite excellently, I might add). The liner notes for the cantata indicate "the original source material is incomplete, so musical forces consisting of trumpet and strings in conjectural; there is nothing, however to indicate the inclusion of woodwind." OK, so the question is: what is a tromba da tirarsi (the same instrument is used in Cantatas 46, 77 and 109 as well)? And do any of the other lovers of Bach's music on the list know anything about Cantata 90 and if other recordings use a different instrumentation? Trombone content to this message: Volume 8 of the Cantatas is a 3 CD set, and includes Cantata 64 which uses 3 trombones (Charles Toet, Cas Gevers and Wim Becu). Thanks for your help. -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:30 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:10:25 -0500 From: "Johnson, Scott (TBS)" To: "'MBennetts@aol.com'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Tuners are our friends Message-ID: <5D9A184FEEEDD211A4050000F81FD0E803095F75@cnncmx04.turner.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mike, Sorry that I didn't explain the tech-talk. 1. A "chromatic" tuner (as opposed to a "guitar" tuner) will show tunings for all the tempered notes within its range (ie: C, C#, D, D#, E, F, etc.). A non-chromatic tuner will only tune certain notes, like E, A, D, G, B in the case of a "guitar" tuner. Then you get into what range of notes will the tuner respond to; many do not detect notes well in the bass range which would not be too good for a low brass or string player's use. 2. The CA-20 will tune all notes from A0 - B7 (I assume that these are the octave notations of a standard piano?). 3. The CA-20 can be calibrated (via a button on the panel) to reference its tuning to 'A' from 430Hz through 449Hz. Once you pick your standard reference for 'A', it remains at that reference until you change it; including powering the unit off. A pretty neat gizmo. It has an LCD display to show you the note it is currently "hearing", an LCD "needle" display of the tuning as it changes +/- in cents and three LEDs to tell you if you are high, low or on the money. I like it! (and I do not work for Korg :-) Regards, Scott Johnson Conyers, GA USA -----Original Message----- From: MBennetts@aol.com [mailto:MBennetts@aol.com] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 4:16 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Tuners are our friends In a message dated 03/20/00 2:15:18 PM Central Standard Time, Scott.Johnson@turner.com writes: > I bought a Korg CA-20 which is a credit card sized chromatic tuner with quite > a large range. You can calibrate it for various pitches relative to 'A' from, > I believe, A435-A445. And it sells for under $20 (US) I don't know much about the options available for tuners. Do I understand that a "chromatic tuner with quite a large range" is one that permits you to tune to any one of several pitches (not just "A") and will show you whether you are sharp, flat, or right on ------ for under $20? Heck, that's a lot less than I paid for the laser pointer that I tease the cat with! Mike Bennett --------------- "All priests in my diocese are hereby urged to play the trombone since this instrument can make God's voice heard". 16th Century Bishop of VŠsterŒs, Sweden From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:30 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:50:13 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess To: "Adolphus Sprott" Cc: Trombone-L Subject: Re: jazz/improv Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >I'm a high school student. I have a strong classical background, but I want >to look into jazz also. I have found that jazz is pretty much were most of >the gigs are. I have a basic understanding of jazz styles and rythyms, but >I don't know the first thing about improvisation. That is the main thing >holding me back. I would like some suggestions about learning improv or at >least getting started with improv. > >Weston Sprott -------- Weston: If you can figure out how, check the trombone-L archives. I, and many others, have posted SEVERAL responses about jazz improvisation and how to learn to do it. Someone on trombone-L even did a series (copyrighted) on "Jazz Improv for Dummies." It was very good. Two things to help you: 1) LISTEN to jazz -- a lot! In order the PLAY good jazz, you need to understand it. Not only listening, but also sitting down and transcribing or at the very least playing along with trombonists on great jazz recordings. I'd start with someone simple like J.J. Johnson. Trying to play along with Frank Rosolino or Bill Watrous would only frustrate most of us. Take the "beginner's slope", not the advanced down-hill off-the-cliff approach. Hear something you like on a record? Learn it. Write it down if you like, but learn it. Then make it a part of you -- APPROPRIATE the good and move on. Before you know it, you'll have a repertoire of great "licks" that will work in almost any situation. Over 80% of jazz tunes include the "ii-V-I" progression. Learn that, and you'll be able to play a LOT of stuff!!!! 2) PLAY jazz. You can't expect to be able to play improvisation without spending some time practicing it. Jazz improv doesn't come from heavenly intervention. Hard work, and PRACTICE must prevail. Learn every configuration of scale you can come up with. You can even make up your own (if that's possible). Pentatonic scales work GREAT in jazz, too. Don't have a group to play with? There are many self-help aids out there. All it takes is money. The Jamie Aebersold play-along-recordings are great. I'd recommend starting with Vol. III... but NOT vol. I. There are MANY of these... The Blues and the "ii-V-I" would be great beginnings for you. Band-in-a-Box is a wonderful computer program that sells for about $80. Mine came with about 500 songs ready for play-along practice. But you can quickly type in the chord changes to ANY song and have at it. I use this ALL THE TIME with my jazz bands. So, to recap -- LIsten and Play!!! Listen and Play -- JAZZ! Simple, huh? Good luck! --Wayne Dyess Past President, IAJE-TX __________________________ Wayne Dyess, Professor of Music Lamar University P. O. Box 10044 Beaumont, Texas 77710 409-880-8146 FAX: 409-880-8143 dyessjw@hal.lamar.edu http://www.lamar.edu From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:30 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:42:31 -0800 From: "Joe L. Norcross" To: "Thomas Nelson" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Brass Band? Message-ID: <025301bf92c5$f73017c0$04000005@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I play in a brass band ______________________________________ Joe L. Norcross Tuba: Sequoia Winds and Visalia, CA British Brass Band Tuba and Announcer, Kingsburg,CA, City Band joetuba@lightspeed.net -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Nelson To: Trombones and related issues forum. Date: Monday, March 20, 2000 6:58 AM Subject: Brass Band? >I was just wondering how many of us on this list are members of a brass band? > >I'll be nice and include the directors as well. > >(I was just wondering this with the North American Brass Band Championships coming up this month.) >-- >Thomas L. Nelson >Band Director, Tipton High School, Tipton, Iowa >"Gig Guy" & Bass Trombonist Eastern Iowa Brass Band >Check out the Eastern Iowa Brass Band at: >http://soli.inav.net/~eibb/more.html > > > > From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:30 2000 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:16:24 +0000 From: almacdonald@att.net To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Cc: Douglas Yeo , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Tromba da tirarsi? Message-ID: <20000321001631.CIAU21015.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Slide trumpet. See http://www.ashmol.ox.ac.uk/bat/trumpets.html, entry x703 under slide trumpets. I believe the language is Italian, tromba is trumpet and tirar is "to pull". Al > I've been enjoying Volume 8 of the compete cantatas of JS Bach as > recorded by Ton Koopman and The Amesterdam Baroque Orchestra and > Choir (the series is on Erato) and almost drove off the road when the > 3rd movement of Cantata BWV 90 (Es reisset euch ein schrecklich > Ende") came on. It is an aria for Bass and has a virtuoso part for > an instrument listed as "Tromba da tirarsi." This is a remarkable > part - fast chromatic playing (legato) in the middle/upper (but not > clarino) register, not your average fare for natural trumpet. > (Stephen Keavy plays the tromba da tirarsi - and quite excellently, I > might add). > > The liner notes for the cantata indicate "the original source > material is incomplete, so musical forces consisting of trumpet and > strings in conjectural; there is nothing, however to indicate the > inclusion of woodwind." > > OK, so the question is: what is a tromba da tirarsi (the same > instrument is used in Cantatas 46, 77 and 109 as well)? And do any > of the other lovers of Bach's music on the list know anything about > Cantata 90 and if other recordings use a different instrumentation? > > Trombone content to this message: Volume 8 of the Cantatas is a 3 CD > set, and includes Cantata 64 which uses 3 trombones (Charles Toet, > Cas Gevers and Wim Becu). > > Thanks for your help. > > -Doug Yeo > ********************************************** > * Douglas Yeo * > * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * > * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * > * yeo@yeodoug.com * > * http://www.yeodoug.com * > * <>< * > ********************************************** > From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:30 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:57:02 -0500 From: Randy Campora To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: New Marine Band Bass Trombonist Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000320195359.0099be80@mail.telephonet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Just found out that the winner of the recent audition for Bass Trombone in the President's Own Marine Band is Karl Johnson. Congratulations Karl! He has a BM from Brigham Young University where he studied with Daniel Bachelder and also with Rusty McKinney. He is currently finishing a MM at Juilliard, though I don't know which studio he is in there. -Randy Campora ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Randy Campora, Bass Trombonist Baltimore Symphony Orchestra Peabody Conservatory of Music campora@peabody.jhu.edu 410-461-1984 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:30 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:37:25 -0500 From: "John Lavoie" To: Scott.Johnson@turner.com, "trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Tuners are our friends Message-ID: <80A7866E7AEF3D11DADC0005B8E83109@webmaster.Trombonegod.zzn.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Johnson, Scott (TBS)" >2. The CA-20 will tune all notes from A0 - B7 (I assume that these >are the octave notations of a standard piano?). This is a great tuner, especially for the price. Tuners have been discussed quite a bit on the list in the past. This tuner will pick up double and tripple pedal notes. A lot of more expensive tuners will crap out and pick up the overtones instead. I think Hickey's has a list of tuners that have been tested to perform well in the trombone register. This tuner has a LED display, but it's really a digital representation of a needle. It also displays the most commonly used enharmonic spellings, like Bb instead of A#. Lots of tuners will only display #'s. It takes two AAA batteries, but I may be mistaken. It's been over a year since I bought mine, and I haven't had to change them yet. I'm not sure if that's a testament to the battery life, or lack of use though. For twenty dollars(or a lot more), you'll be hard pressed to find a better tuner. JOhn John Lavoie Sophomore, Ithaca College http://members.tripod.com/Trombone8vb http://members.tripod.com/Trombone8vb. I appologize for the following ad. ____________________________________________________________ Get your 100MB FREE Internet storage! Sign up now - http://www.netdrive.com/?ao=zzn From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:30 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:54:49 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: Subject: Choice of doubling mouthpiece Message-ID: <4.3.0.20000320203956.00aab4d0@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I've recently switched over to the Yeo bass trombone mouthpiece. I am happy with the results. It makes me feel much more capable as a bass player. However, I am primarily a tenor player. Before this switch, I used two fairly similar Wick mouthpieces for tenor and bass. That made switching fairly easy. Am am now finding it difficult to switch back to the large bore tenor after a few days on the bass. My large-bore tenor mouthpiece is a Wick 6BS. I chose this to make a transparent switch between large bore tenor and jazz horn. I use a Wick 7CS on the jazz bone. Those two rims are virtually identical. I'll probably keep the Wick 6BS for the times when I expect to have to move back and forth between the small and large tenors. But I would like to find a mouthpiece for the large bore tenor that makes an easier move from the Yeo bass mouthpiece. In particular, the Yeo has a very thin rim to which I've started to take a liking. Is there anyone out there who has found a mouthpiece for a .547 tenor that makes an easy transition from the Yeo bass mouthpiece? All recommendations are welcome. Thanks, Craig Parmerlee Indianapolis From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:30 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:02:07 -0300 From: Antonio Henrique Seixas To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Lebedev Concerto Message-ID: <00c501bf92d9$772d9de0$1b9dffc8@webhouse.psi.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Listers: I am very proud and excited to tell you that: today was my first reharsal with the Rio de Janeiro University Symphony Orchestra playing Lebedev's Concerto, as solist. A friend of mine, very good pianist and arranger AndrŽ Santos did the orchestration, wich is outstanding. Everyone enjoyed very much the orchestration wich I am planning to send to the ITA to print. If anyone wants more information, please tell me. All the best, Antonio Henrique Seixas Bass Trombone - Brazilian Symphony Orchestra - www.osb.com.br Weril Musical Instruments Artist - www.weril.com.br Brazilian Trombone Association General Secretary seixas@whouse.com.br From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:30 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:32:18 -0400 From: "Mike Ross" To: Subject: Oh Yes, Mouthpiece advice Message-ID: <001d01bf92dd$ae2bd880$4ab4b3cf@mgross> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry to beat a dead subject, but I guess it's my turn to ask for some mouthpiece advice. I have recently been using either: a) 6 1/2 AL - rim almost big enough for me, but too rounded (the King/UMI description is "well-rounded") b) 7C - rim too narrow for me, rounded about right (Bach description is "not too sharp")(that's referring to the mouthpiece, not the player) So, if I'm looking for a rim size as large, or larger (actually, preferably larger) than 6 1/2, with a rim contour similar to the contour of a 7C (sharper than a 6 1/2 AL), and a cup depth similar to an "AL". I want to go into a music store and start trying every mouthpiece in the place, but to help keep the search to days, not months: Any suggestions on where I should start ? Manufacturer, size, cup designation ? Thanks for the help, sorry for the old subject, Mike Ross From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:31 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:47:44 EST From: Glum26@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: ETW 2000 is in the books! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Can anyone tell me who won all the individual solo competitions? Thank you in advance. -John From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:31 2000 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:02:49 -0300 From: Antonio Henrique Seixas To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Lebedev Concerto Message-ID: <001301bf92e1$f1b79360$1b9dffc8@webhouse.psi.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Doug: Some months ago I posted a question to list asking if there were any orchestration of Lebedev and nobody asked me, so I've contacted a friend to do it for me. I didn't know that it were any orchestration avaible. Anyway, I have a very nice one that I will offer to the ITA, if they accept it, it will be something wonderfull for all bass trombone players. I thank your help very much. All the best, Antonio Henrique Seixas Bass Trombone - Brazilian Symphony Orchestra - www.osb.com.br Weril Musical Instruments Artist - www.weril.com.br Brazilian Trombone Association General Secretary seixas@whouse.com.br From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:31 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:15:58 EST From: SFTrombone@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Alteri Double gig bag for sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 03/20/2000 1:02:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, john.mcvey@frb.gov writes: > I bought one of these last year for $230 +$10 shipping new directly from > Donna > Altieri. See their website at http://www.altieribags.com/ and you can > contact > her via E-Mail at donna@altieribags.com . > > The $250 price below is a bit much for a 2 year old bag. Mine was OK for > carrying two horns: a bass and a large tenor, but it offers little > protection > for the bells. But the slide box holds both slides and offers excellent > protection. > You might also consider the new double trombone bag from Reunion Blues. The street price on the cordura version is about $235+. It holds a bass trombone (9.5" bell) and a tenor with up to an 8" bell, or a large tenor and an alto, or other similar combinations, and it has padded wooden bell protection disks at both ends. it is hardly any bigger than their regular sungle bone bags. SF From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:31 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:37:47 -0500 From: "Dave Mackey" To: Subject: Re: Tuners are our friends Message-ID: <002a01bf92e6$d44e5520$9243c7d0@DaveMackey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I don't know much about the options available for tuners. Do I understand > that a "chromatic tuner with quite a large range" is one that permits you to > tune to any one of several pitches (not just "A") and will show you whether > you are sharp, flat, or right on ------ for under $20? Heck, that's a lot > less than I paid for the laser pointer that I tease the cat with! Now, now, let's not fry the cat... ;) The Korg CA-20 tuner (which is the one I bought) does what you say it does. Play a pitch and it recognizes it. Has a gauge going from 50c under to 50c over the tempered pitch. Also little lights for those low-light situations (tuning in an orchestra pitch or a dark nightclub stage). Green light means you're in tune. Any of the good mail-order music supply houses will hook you up with one. I got mine for $16 at Hickey's booth at ETW then found it for a dollar less at Mouthpiece Express. Dave Mackey From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:31 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:37:07 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: Subject: Re: Tuners are our friends Message-ID: <4.3.0.20000320212811.00adbd60@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:16 PM 3/20/00 -0500, MBennetts@aol.com wrote: >I don't know much about the options available for tuners. Do I understand >that a "chromatic tuner with quite a large range" is one that permits you to >tune to any one of several pitches (not just "A") and will show you whether >you are sharp, flat, or right on ------ for under $20? Heck, that's a lot >less than I paid for the laser pointer that I tease the cat with! Yes, the Korg tuners are awesome. Even people who don't like tuners should own one of these. Unless you have infallible perfect pitch, I guarantee you will occasionally be surprised by what your ear is telling you. As for your cat, I thought I was the only one who did that. I have 4 cats and three seem to be completely oblivious to the dot. But the 4th cat will chase that thing for hours. We're pretty sure he is the dumbest of the 4, which I guess says a lot for why those laser pointers are so effective in marketing presentations, because marketing goofs are several steps lower on the food chain than my beloved P.J. (formally Panther Junior) From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:31 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:46:11 -0500 From: "Dave Mackey" To: Subject: Re: Tuners are our friends Message-ID: <004c01bf92e8$0133c060$9243c7d0@DaveMackey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Can you (and anybody else with insight) say a bit more about the tuner: why, > what kind, how do you use it/benefit from it, etc.? I've always thought > tuning consisted of > > (Step 1): Tune to the oboe or the piano or whatever else the boss says to > tune to, and > (Step 2): Listen carefully all the time you're playing. That, too. But you need to know where your horn is out of tune. It's a given that certain overtone series are out of tune on the horn due to the way the acoustics work. When I get the time, I will sit down with each of my horns and find out exactly where the notes fall and re-accustom my ear. I was told by a college professor that I had perfect pitch, but that is probably just a function of pitch recognition rather than the pitches that I play being in tune. Dave Mackey From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:31 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:49:20 -0600 From: Jeff Albert To: craig@acticalc.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Choice of doubling mouthpiece Message-ID: <38D6F13D.B7E56209@bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have not had any experience with the Yeo mouthpiece, but as a small tenor player that doubles on bass, I have had great luck with a Schilke 58. It makes the horn behave like a bass trombone, but the rim doesn't go all the way to my ears. I know that is not an answer to your question, but it is my two cents. Jeff Craig Parmerlee wrote: > I've recently switched over to the Yeo bass trombone mouthpiece. I am > happy with the results. It makes me feel much more capable as a bass > player. However, I am primarily a tenor player. Before this switch, I > used two fairly similar Wick mouthpieces for tenor and bass. That made > switching fairly easy. > > Am am now finding it difficult to switch back to the large bore tenor after > a few days on the bass. My large-bore tenor mouthpiece is a Wick 6BS. I > chose this to make a transparent switch between large bore tenor and jazz > horn. I use a Wick 7CS on the jazz bone. Those two rims are virtually > identical. > > I'll probably keep the Wick 6BS for the times when I expect to have to move > back and forth between the small and large tenors. But I would like to > find a mouthpiece for the large bore tenor that makes an easier move from > the Yeo bass mouthpiece. In particular, the Yeo has a very thin rim to > which I've started to take a liking. Is there anyone out there who has > found a mouthpiece for a .547 tenor that makes an easy transition from the > Yeo bass mouthpiece? All recommendations are welcome. > > Thanks, > Craig Parmerlee > Indianapolis -- Jeff Albert "Every song has a soul." Keith Jarrett From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:31 2000 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:38:21 -0800 From: "Chad Horsley" To: , Subject: Fw: Altieri double gig bag Message-ID: <002401c0b1d1$88592a40$3996fea9@nch1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for the typo......I couldn't remember what the actual price was and went off some other sources....which didn't to my estimate justice. $175obo ---------------------------------------------------- Chad Horsley tbneplyer@mindspring.com AIM....tbneplyer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 10:38 AM Subject: Altieri double gig bag > Chad, > > I hope the price you listed ($250) is a typo. I just > talked to Donna Altieri, and she sells these new for > $240. I would get a 10% discount beyond that ($216) > because I already have an Altieri bag. > > Al From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:31 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:41:13 -0500 From: "P&J Olsson" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Monette TT5 Tenor Mouthpiece for sale Message-ID: <003e01bf92ef$b16b46e0$0ec444ce@olsson> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi out there! I still have a Monette TT5 for sale if anyone's interested. Roughly 5G size, Large shank,Gold plated, heavyweight Mthpc. capable of helping put a seriously powerful sound through a large tenor (leaps buildings in a single.........). Switching to mainly bass so I won't really need it. $235 new, asking $150 You can get more info about it on the Monette website John Olsson olsson@tusco.net jolsson@stark.kent.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Instructor of Trombone Kent State University-Stark Campus Malone College Mt. Union College West Liberty State College ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Canton Symphony Orchestra Wheeling Symphony Orchestra Sounds of Sousa Band From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:31 2000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:33:21 -0800 From: Andrew Michael To: mgross@nb.sympatico.ca, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Oh Yes, Mouthpiece advice Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Try looking through the mouthpiece specs at http://web.missouri.edu/~cceric/mmp.html (which I found through the well organized Trombone FAQ at http://brusseau.com/TromboneFAQ/). The Giardinelli Sym-T and/or Sym-AL mouthpieces might be worth a try. I made the move from 6 1/2A to a Sym-AL for about these reasons. Actually, I tried both the Sym-T and Sym-AL blind for quite a while before I picked. I'm sure there are many other similar choices around. This is just worked for me and my horn. Andy At 10:32 PM -0400 3/20/00, Mike Ross wrote: >Sorry to beat a dead subject, but I guess it's my turn to ask for some >mouthpiece advice. > >I have recently been using either: > >a) 6 1/2 AL - rim almost big enough for me, but too rounded (the King/UMI >description is "well-rounded") >b) 7C - rim too narrow for me, rounded about right (Bach description is "not >too sharp")(that's referring to the mouthpiece, not the player) > >So, if I'm looking for a rim size as large, or larger (actually, preferably >larger) than 6 1/2, with a rim contour similar to the contour of a 7C >(sharper than a 6 1/2 AL), and a cup depth similar to an "AL". > >I want to go into a music store and start trying every mouthpiece in the >place, but to help keep the search to days, not months: > >Any suggestions on where I should start ? Manufacturer, size, cup >designation ? > >Thanks for the help, sorry for the old subject, > >Mike Ross From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:31 2000 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 02:27:14 EST From: JoshuaSL@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Oh Yes, Mouthpiece advice Message-ID: <44.22bdbed.26087e52@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Give the Bach 5GS a try. It's a tiny bit bigger in rim, but has around the same cup size and throat size as a 6-1/2AL. It is also available in both small and large shanks. Out of personal experience, I'd avoid the Giardinelli Sym-T. I played one for a while but left it because the mouthpiece was waaaaay to rounded. I felt like it had no edge whatsoever, the 6-1/2 felt sharper to me than that. Good luck, Joshua From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:31 2000 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 03:23:24 EST From: JFBermann@aol.com To: yeo@yeodoug.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Tromba da tirarsi? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Doug, Another instrument for you to master :o), A Tromba da tirarsi is a slide trumpet. As far as the other Cantatas, 46 uses a trumpet, and 109 uses a horn, don't know about 77. All My Best, Jim From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:31 2000 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:11:56 +0100 From: "Dick Sleeman" To: "Trombones and related issues forum" , Subject: Re: Tromba da tirarsi? Message-ID: <001101bf9326$7cbc0380$057dadc1@dick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit : OK, so the question is: what is a tromba da tirarsi : : : Thanks for your help. : : -Doug Yeo : ********************************************** : * Douglas Yeo * : * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * : * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * : * yeo@yeodoug.com * : * http://www.yeodoug.com * : * <>< * : ********************************************** Hallo Doug, You already had some answers I saw. I might add that "tirare" (in Italian ) means (among other things): to pull. See also: Anthony Baines: BRASS INSTRUMENTS, Faber Paperbacks; Filippo Bonanni: ANTIQUE MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS AND THEIR PLAYERS, Dover Publications 0-486-21179-7 (if you not already did that). Here are a few sites to check out: http://www.tonkoopman.nl http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/artists/keavy.html http://www.intr.net/bleissa/lists/pnte.html (Philadelphia Natural Trumpet Ensemble) http://www.goucher.edu/physics/baum/nattrump.html (The Natural Trumpet Home Page) Groeten, Dick Sleeman, Lelystad, Holland. From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 08:32:32 2000 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:54:05 From: Howard Weiner To: yeo@yeodoug.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Tromba da tirarsi? Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20000321125405.33874b70@mail.privat.toplink.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 17:05 20.03.2000 -0500, Douglas Yeo wrote: >OK, so the question is: what is a tromba da tirarsi (the same >instrument is used in Cantatas 46, 77 and 109 as well)? And do any >of the other lovers of Bach's music on the list know anything about >Cantata 90 and if other recordings use a different instrumentation? Doug, The tromba da tirarsi was apparently a trumpet with a single slide into which the mouthpiece was inserted; the player held the mouthpiece and the upper end of the slide with one hand, moving the trumpet back and forth with the other hand. Before the World War II there was such a trumpet with a single slide in the Berlin instrument collection; this trumpet still exists, but the slide has been lost. It's use in Bach, however, is a hotly debated subject. (See: Steven E. Plank, "'Knowledge in the making': Recent Discourse on Bach and the Slide Trumpet," _Historic Brass Society Journal_ 8 [1996]) In the complete Bach cantata recordings issued years ago on Telefunken, a couple different solutions were tried: Nicolaus Harnoncourt had his trumpet player (Ralph Bryant) play these parts on a tenor trombone with a trumpet mouthpiece! (At least that's what I remember Ralph telling me.) Gustav Leonhardt's trumpet player (Don Smithers) tried lipping the non-harmonic tones into place (i.e., without using a slide) with sometimes amazing, sometimes ehh... less than amazing results. Howard -- Howard Weiner weiner@privat.toplink.de http://www.odilia.ch/howard-weiner "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture" - attributed to Frank Zappa "Beschriebene Musik ist wie ein erzŠhltes Mittagessen" - Franz Grillparzer zugeschrieben