TROMBONE-L Digest 1626 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Sharp by David Boan 2) FROM THE LIST MONITOR Re: reply to mike suter by Listmonitor Trombone-L 3) FW: ETW (from Tim Richardson) by Listmonitor Trombone-L 4) RE: we need a gizmo by Craig Parmerlee 5) RE: negative feedback by David Molter 6) URL change by "Paul D. Kemp, Jr." 7) RE: we need a gizmo by Bob Koester 8) Latin help by "John Palmer" 9) Maintaining your Thayers, etc. by Galen Zinn 10) Method books by David Molter 11) Re: Yet another mouthpiece question by Roger Menning 12) Re:gizmo for counting rests by "Tom C. Shaddox" 13) Re: Sharp by Walter Barrett 14) Re: Bent Bass Trombone by Walter Barrett 15) Slide Hampton In Concert by "Kevin D. Miller" 16) Re: Maintaining your Thayers, etc. by ERNIE PAUL LUKAS 17) Re: gizmo for counting rests by Elisabeth Frederick 18) RE: Needed: Some Latin help by "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" 19) March Madness by "Adrian Drover" 20) Was: gizmo for counting rests, Now: March in 6/5? by "Tom C. Shaddox" 21) Re: Needed: Some Latin help by "Gary D. Maxwell" 22) RE: gizmo for counting rests, Now: March in 6/5? by "DOWDY, KENNETH S" 23) Re: Was: gizmo for counting rests, Now: March in 6/5? by "Gary D. Maxwell" 24) RE: gizmo for counting rests, Now: March in 6/5? by Thomas Cox 25) Re: Needed: Some Latin help by "Rodney Ellard" 26) Re: gizmo for counting rests, Now: March in 6/5? by ERNIE PAUL LUKAS 27) Re: Was: gizmo for counting rests, Now: March in 6/5? by MBennetts@aol.com 28) RE: Was: gizmo for counting rests, Now: March in 6/5? by "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> 29) Re: Was: gizmo for counting rests, Now: March in 6/5? by "Gary D. Maxwell" 30) Latin Prayer Translation Site by Bear Woodson 31) Re: Bent Bass Trombone by Eric and Candice Swanson 32) help by MikeSuter@aol.com 33) Hoyt by JennWhaa@aol.com 34) RE: we need a gizmo by "Daniel Pliskin" 35) Re: Sharp by "Daniel Pliskin" 36) Re: Was: gizmo for counting rests, Now: March in 6/5? by Earl Needham 37) Re: Brubeck Concerto recording by David D Sporny 38) ABC News Cybershake by Douglas Yeo 39) Re: ABC News Cybershake by ERNIE PAUL LUKAS 40) More Latin Help by JoshuaSL@aol.com 41) Harmon Mute Help by Servo149@aol.com 42) RE: Rests (kinda long) by jimandcat@juno.com 43) Nooks & Crannies by Galen Zinn From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:06 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 07:10:41 -0500 From: David Boan To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Sharp Message-ID: <38D0CF41.1C6FEE96@bluecrab.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have just started playing in a band again after a 10 year layoff. I have found that I do OK playing on tune when I practice, but when I come to a solo part or a performance I end up playing sharp. Does anyone else experience this and have any tips for staying on tune? From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:06 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:45:17 -0600 From: Listmonitor Trombone-L To: Trombone-L Subject: FROM THE LIST MONITOR Re: reply to mike suter Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This has gone quite far enough, and does not require further discussion on the trombone-l. For the record, America Online has literally millions of users who do not abuse the freedoms provided by the service. As an Internet Service Provider, they do, however, statistically rank as one of the most abused ISPs. The only service more frequently used for sending spam are the various and sundry free e-mail services. LM --------------------------------------- trombone-l digest archives and useful trombone-l information are available at http://www.cjnetworks.com/~tsks From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:06 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:57:00 -0600 From: Listmonitor Trombone-L To: Trombone-L Cc: trichard@www.denix.osd.mil Subject: FW: ETW (from Tim Richardson) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Dear LM, > > > >I have mail set to postpone as I am on a 3 week business trip. > > > >I will be up in DC for the ETW on Saturday, that's the only day I could > >get off > >work. I had a private email from someone asking about listmember > >recognition. > > > >Here's my plan: Since the french word for paperclip is trombone, any > >listmember who doesn't mind being recognized will wear a paperclip > >somewhere on > >his/her torso. Could be in the shirt pocket, cuff, pierced through the > >tongue > >(oops, wrong thread). If you see anyone wearing a paperclip, go over and > >introduce yourself. > > > >What do you think? If this idea has any merit, you might forward it to the > >list. I will try to read the digest online the next two days. > > > >yours, > >Tim Richardson --------------------------------------- trombone-l digest archives and useful trombone-l information are available at http://www.cjnetworks.com/~tsks From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:06 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:50:40 -0400 From: Craig Parmerlee To: Subject: RE: we need a gizmo Message-ID: <4.3.0.20000316084338.00ade5d0@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:53 PM 03/15/2000 -0600, David Iverson wrote: > >Why count rests if you know the music? > > In high school I prided myself on not counting rests. My >philosophy was exactlty the one you wrote of: listen, know the piece >backwards and forwards, and be able to hear your entrances. In fact, be >able to hear the entrances of everyone else too. That philosophy hit a >huge brick wall when I came to college this year. > Knowing the music this well is also impractical for many gigs. A >couple of months ago I accompanied a choir on campus in a brass quartet. >We were given the music, had one run through, and then recorded it. Good point. There is an inverse relationship to the skills of the musicians and the amount of rehearsal. If the conductor has great confidence in the musicians, the ensemble may never play the entire work from start to finish during rehearsal. You have to count, listen and watch. If you slack off on any of the three, you will be screwed if you are in an abbreviated rehearsal environment. BTW, I don't believe this rehearsal format necessarily reduces the quality of the performance. It can actually add energy and intensity because the musicians know they must be very alert, and they aren't bored from having played the same piece 40 times in rehearsal. From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:07 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:55:49 -0500 (EST) From: David Molter To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: negative feedback Message-ID: <384606551.953214949947.JavaMail.root@web31.pub01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In resonse to this question: Hello everybody, I have a quick question....I bidded on a Robin Eubanks CD and I haven't heard from the seller.....????.....how long should I wait before I leave negative feedback? E-bay offers a complaint resolution service that is detailed in the auction closing message they send both bidder and seller. You also may request info an a seller that should include name, address and phone number. I've never been stiffed by a seller, but I have had a few go out of town before the auction ended and not get back to me for a week or more. I'd e-mail constantly, try the phone, try a letter, try the complaint resolution service, then slam the sller in feedback if all that fails. they are free to repsond to the negative fedback if they so choose. Dave Molter pittsburgh, PA From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:07 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:00:50 -0500 From: "Paul D. Kemp, Jr." To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: URL change Message-ID: <000a01bf8f50$0a2de9c0$475ffc9e@volpaulbear> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF8F26.20547B80"
Folks:
    Due to the fact that my previous server loaded my website so slowly, I have moved it to the URL listed below. Just click on the text. Please let me know what you think. I haven't changed much of the information, but I do intend to add more as I have time.
 
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Chattanooga Symphony
 
 From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:07 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:29:06 -0600 From: Bob Koester To: craig@acticalc.com Cc: TROMBONE-L@LISTS.MISSOURI.EDU Subject: RE: we need a gizmo Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.20000316082906.00722c58@mail.spidertel.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Craig wrote in part: You have to count, listen and >watch. If you slack off on any of the three, you will be screwed...YUP!!! No matter how well you think you know a piece, professionalism demands that you do a professional job. That includes counting rests, listening to everything (including cues), watching, playing in tune etc. The guy that's signing the checks doesn't care...and shouldn't...about how much you think you know. By the way to revisit the Shameless Plug Department - Any listers within easy reach of Kansas City could come to the Blue Room in the 18th & Vine historic district tonight between 7 & 11 to catch the Kansas City Slide Show. Five trombones and rhythm. Charts are hard, but should sound good. Line up is: Tenor Trombones: Jim Cann Rich Coble (it's Rich's job and his arranging) Steve Dekker Kenny Rupp Bass Trombone: Bob Koester Guitar: Brian Harmon Bass: Kirk Day Drums: Vince Billardo (scheduled) I've been told they plan to open the adjacent Jazz Museum from 7 to 9 specially for this event. Hope to see you. Bob At 08:50 AM 3/16/2000 -0400, you wrote: >At 09:53 PM 03/15/2000 -0600, David Iverson wrote: >> >Why count rests if you know the music? >> >> In high school I prided myself on not counting rests. My >>philosophy was exactlty the one you wrote of: listen, know the piece >>backwards and forwards, and be able to hear your entrances. In fact, be >>able to hear the entrances of everyone else too. That philosophy hit a >>huge brick wall when I came to college this year. > > > >> Knowing the music this well is also impractical for many gigs. A >>couple of months ago I accompanied a choir on campus in a brass quartet. >>We were given the music, had one run through, and then recorded it. > >Good point. There is an inverse relationship to the skills of the >musicians and the amount of rehearsal. If the conductor has great >confidence in the musicians, the ensemble may never play the entire work >from start to finish during rehearsal. You have to count, listen and >watch. If you slack off on any of the three, you will be screwed if you >are in an abbreviated rehearsal environment. BTW, I don't believe this >rehearsal format necessarily reduces the quality of the performance. It >can actually add energy and intensity because the musicians know they must >be very alert, and they aren't bored from having played the same piece 40 >times in rehearsal. > > > _______________________ bob koester mediation services, inc. bkoester@fixbusinessdebt.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:09 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:19:30 -0500 From: "John Palmer" To: "Trombone List Contributions" Subject: Latin help Message-ID: <014d01bf8f52$a55a1de0$fe488d18@kico1.on.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug Regina caeli laetare, alleluia: Quia quem meruisti portare, alleluia: Resurrexit, sicut dixit, alleluia: Ora pro nobis Deum, alleluia. Queen of Heaven..........alleluia .... ..... Ora for/to/of our God...alleluia My Latin dictionary must be at school....sorry...I would definitely need it to conjugate the verbs. Hope that helps a bit John Palmer Kingston From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:10 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 06:29:11 -0700 From: Galen Zinn To: Trombone List Subject: Maintaining your Thayers, etc. Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Where can I buy an off-set (90 degree angle) ratchet screwdriver that is small enough to get into very tightly confined areas to tighten screws on Thayers, their linkages, and various other situations? Thanks, Galen Zinn E-mail: zinger@musician.org From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:10 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 09:35:40 -0500 (EST) From: David Molter To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Method books Message-ID: <383693541.953217340387.JavaMail.root@web24.pub01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 03/15/00 10:57:44 AM Central Standard Time, erik.berggren@state.ks.us writes: > One question, are there any method books that include the proper techniques for executing and timing these skills. I'd like to know how to do them properly just in case an opportunity for auditioning for a second chair or bass trombone position comes along. There are several: "Mute Stacking for Military Bands," by Major Pileup. "How to Make Graceful Exits and Entrances," by the New Jersey Turnpike Commission. "Count Rests Along With Elmo," a Sesame Street video and book edited by Count Basic. "Blue Rondo a la Jerk," by Cal Q. Later "Build Your Own Backyard Shed While Playing Trombone in a Gilbert & Sullivan Pit Band and Never Miss A Cue," by I. Poundalot. --- But seriously, I have it on good authority that the principal tubist in the Chicago Symphony plays a Game Boy during string passages. Maybe it beeps at every bar. Dave "Is This Measure 98 or 99?" Molter Pittsburgh, PA From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:11 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:41:08 -0600 From: Roger Menning To: Trombone List Subject: Re: Yet another mouthpiece question Message-ID: <38D0F283.1CFC290A@email.mot.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm no expert, but I recently learned something about deep U-shaped cups. I bought a bass trombone, and was experimenting with a lot of mouthpieces. I compared a Shilke 58 to a Bach 1-1/4G. The Shilke mouthpieces have steep inner walls and a deeper U-shape bowl than the Bach. It was easier for me to make low notes speak on the Bach, and the Shilke seemed to take more air and effort. However, a friend of mine said the Shilke "projected better." I had never thought of that before. But he was right. With the Bach, the sound seemed to be right in front of me; with the Shilke it bounced off the far wall. I play in a brass band, and I want to be heard without blowing my head off, so I've been using the Shilke, and I like it. Roger Menning Prairie Brass Band Aaron Roth wrote: > Wowsers, I have a whole different set of responses. I've found the V cup > (or funnel-shaped cup) to respond pretty quickly, in agreement with Ken; but > to me, it has leaned towards a smoother if not necessarily darker sound. > Plus, extremes of range get unfocused if not handled carefully. The > bowl-shaped cup offers me a little more consistency throughout the > registers, but usually the sound to me is a little coarser, especially down > low. I have to work harder to get a lot of air through a bowl cup. The > response is more dependent on the rim when I use a bowl cup; on average, > it's okay. > I find everything else to pretty much depend on just how big the > mouthpiece in question is. Again, results may vary, and they already have. > Cool! > -Aaron Roth > > From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:11 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:52:31 -0600 From: "Tom C. Shaddox" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re:gizmo for counting rests Message-ID: <38D0F52F.8EB733D2@fnc.fujitsu.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In American baseball, the umpire uses a small counter to keep track of balls, strikes, and outs. You could use this during compositions by Fisher Tull to keep a separate tally on the measures of rests in 5/8, 3/2 and 9/16. I gotta go practice, Tom Shaddox, 9th chair tenor Did you hear the one about the composition student who wrote a march in 6/5? From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:11 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:21:52 -0500 From: Walter Barrett To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Sharp Message-ID: <38D0FC08.88753D90@bestweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David- It's not unusual for something to change when the adrenalin kicks in. You have 2 choices- Get a LOT more excited about practicing, or calm down at the performance! Probably a combination of the 2 would work the best. If you use a tuner while practicing, DON'T stare at it when you play!!! (You'll tend to bend/lip the notes in tune) Instead, play the note with your best sound, THEN look at the tuner to confirm the pitch. Also bear in mind that tuners and (tuned)pianos are equal temperament (tuning), but the rest of us tend towards perfect tuning. (A Bb in a Gb chord usually needs to be different than a Bb in an Eb chord, for instance.) Take a deep breath, visualize your practice room or whatever, and keep telling yourself that the people listening are on your side and really aren't hoping you'll screw it up. Relax and enjoy the FUN! (Honestly, most trombonists don't do this for the money!) Hope this helps, Walter Barrett Yamaha Artist/Clinician David Boan wrote: > I have just started playing in a band again after a 10 year layoff. I > have found that I do OK playing on tune when I practice, but when I come > to a solo part or a performance I end up playing sharp. Does anyone > else experience this and have any tips for staying on tune? From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:12 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:56:46 -0500 From: Walter Barrett To: "Trombones and related issues forum." , billbone@earthlink.com Subject: Re: Bent Bass Trombone Message-ID: <38D10431.A0828C0@bestweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David S Staines wrote: > Listers.... > > Well, not my bass trombone -- a friend of mine has a nice Yamaha Bass > Trombone (YSL 613) that plays well and sounds great. The problem is that the > dual rotors and extra tubing add alot of weight to the bell section. > Recently, a bend in the metal between the two valves has developed. He > suspects that the added weight may be responsible. This trombone is > available as a single rotor, and we were wondering if when creating this > model, Yamaha added the second valve without considering if the metal was > strong enough to hold its own weight. > > Please copy billbone@earthlink.com on your replies (not yet a list member, > but I am working on that). > > Thanks for your suggestions. David & Bill- To my knowledge, the YBL 613H is not just a single valve horn with a second valve slapped on. The only single valve basses Yamaha has ever made have all been intermediate-level horns (YBL 400 series). While it's possible that the tubing between the valves may have been bent by the weight of the bell section, the far-more-likely culprit would be getting bent from dropping, or bumped against something/someone. If you have any other question/concerns, you might try emailing Kurt Witt, Yamaha's Product Manager for Brass & Woodwinds (also a trombonist!) at kwitt@yamaha.com. Hope this helps, Walter Barrett Yamaha Artist/Clinician From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:12 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:14:13 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Miller" To: "TBONE LIST" , "Trey Pritner" , Subject: Slide Hampton In Concert Message-ID: <004101bf8f62$b065ece0$0400a8c0@kevin> Trombonist Slide Hampton will be appearing at the NSU Center for the Performing Arts in Tahlequah, OK. with the Northeastern State University Jazz Band 1 under the direction of Will Campbell on Monday March 27 as part of the 33rd annual Green Country Jazz Festival. Tickets are $10 or $6 for groups of 10 or more. For festival info call Will at 918-456-5511 ext. 4602 For ticket info call 918-458-2075 Regards, Kevin Miller http://www.tulsaband.com Tulsa Band Instruments 5433-B South Mingo Rd. Tulsa, OK. 74146 printmusic@tulsaband.com lowbrass@tulsaband.com (918)663-3210 1(800)564-1676 Attachment converted: PB5300 HD:Kevin Miller.vcf 2 (????/----) (0001B5B3) From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:16 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:24:44 -0600 From: ERNIE PAUL LUKAS To: zinger@musician.org Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Maintaining your Thayers, etc. Message-ID: <38D10ACC.468EDEB@bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Galen Zinn wrote: > > Where can I buy an off-set (90 degree angle) ratchet screwdriver that is > small enough to get into very tightly confined areas to tighten screws on > Thayers, their linkages, and various other situations? > > Thanks, > > Galen Zinn > E-mail: zinger@musician.org > It may not be necessary to buy a "ratchet" screwdriver. Find a screwdriver that works for you (a cheap one) and modify it by bending the shaft. -- Deja moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before. ERNIE PAUL LUKAS TROMBONIST, PUBLICIST BARTLETT COMMUNITY CONCERT BAND MEMPHIS, TENNESSEE USA From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:16 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:31:27 -0800 From: Elisabeth Frederick To: Tom.Shaddox@fnc.fujitsu.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: gizmo for counting rests Message-ID: <38D10C5F.8DEF38D9@nctimes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom C. Shaddox wrote: < 6/5?>> Say What!?!?! Liz From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:16 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:15:55 -0600 From: "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" To: "'yeo@yeodoug.com'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Needed: Some Latin help Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I had some time, and my kids had been telling me of internet translators that help them get "A"s in French class. After some searching I found the following URL at North Dakota U. Inputting your first line gives similar results to the posts already given. I fine this free service amazing. Hope all of you enjoy it in-between practicing mute drops and music stand cart-wheels :-) http://lysy2.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin/words.exe Rick Marple San Antonio (In Latin: around one speaking in thunderous tones! Maybe the City of Low Brass in the Roman Empire days) -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Yeo [mailto:yeo@yeodoug.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 3:45 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Needed: Some Latin help Sometimes you just can't put your finger on something you've known for years. I'm facing "brain clutter" which is forcing me to draw a blank on an English translation of one particular bit of Latin text from the Mass: Regina caeli laetare, alleluia: Quia quem meruisti portare, alleluia: Resurrexit, sicut dixit, alleluia: Ora pro nobis Deum, alleluia. Why: My research into original serpent music has brought across my desk (after looking long and hard) an original serpent tutor book from 1810 which is now in the Paris Conservatoire Library; in it are not only duos for two serpents (to develop technique) but two "improvisations" for serpent and choir, whereby the choir sings a cantus firmus and the serpent improvises above. These improvisations are the proof I've wanted for some time to confirm that this practice actually existed (French serpentist Michel Godard, in his spectacular CD "Repons" does this with a choir of monks). But the text.... The other duo is the Haec dies (This is the day the Lord has made...) but I keep getting Regina caeli mixed up with Vexilla Regis and am drawing a blank. I could look all afternoon through my books and probably find it, then again, I thought I might enlist the help of one of our list's many monks... :-) Thanks in advance! -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:18 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:03:29 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: "Trombone List" Subject: March Madness Message-ID: <004001bf8f72$2762e6e0$eb60063e@v4v3j2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe it is March Madness that has got everyone on the list going for each other's throat. Let's cool it and get back to normal. I know how disturbing it is for a lister who becomes the target for the troll's hurtful venom. I and many other prominent listers have experienced it. You need to share your agony with the rest of the list, just to let them know what is happening. The troll is an anonymous character. He hides behind his subscribed address and lurks, singles out his prey, then attacks privately with his many aliases. He likes you to respond to the list. He gains much warped enjoyment from it. I made the mistake a day or two ago of making light hearted banter of the latest outbreak. I was wrong and I apologise for this. The best advice comes from Sam (sabutin). Ignore the troll. I can't promise this will make the troll leave you alone. In my case, it didn't. He is a persistent character. I received a steady stream of abuse for many weeks. But I still think Sam's advice is the best. My advice is, if you become the target, inform the List Monitor, then set up filters to catch the bad mails. You don't need to read them. Believe me, it is better not knowing whether or not he is still targeting you. I'm sorry that Mike Coyle has decided to split. I enjoyed his posts. Just for the record, I've not had a troll-post for a long time. But I know what to do if and when he decides to attack again. Cheers, A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk http://www.adios.co.uk From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:18 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:05:46 -0600 From: "Tom C. Shaddox" To: Elisabeth Frederick Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Was: gizmo for counting rests, Now: March in 6/5? Message-ID: <38D1227A.84F4306A@fnc.fujitsu.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Elisabeth Frederick wrote: > Tom (that's me) wrote: > < > 6/5?>> > > Say What!?!?! Liz, When he handed it in, his professor had the same reaction you did, and asked him to explain. He said, "You assigned us to compose a "short work suitable for American high-school marching band". Well, I come from an orchestral background, and don't know anything about marching, or what might make a suitable piece. I went and talked to the only marching band person I know, a trombonist and music education student in my dormitory. He offered me a Guinness and we sat and talked about marching for a long time. He said a lot of things I didn't understand; they apparently have a long and exclusive musical history with unique terminology. He said that marching had changed due to drum corp and Broadway show influences, and that with the de-emphasis of military style marching almost any piece of music could be used these days. But he was very clear that tradition marching was done at 6/5!" Hope this explaination helps. If not, drop by my house; it might take a Guinness, or two, before this joke is funny. Tom From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:18 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:39:00 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: Richard.Marple@CEN.AMEDD.ARMY.MIL Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Needed: Some Latin help Message-ID: <38D12A44.EFC272FD@bcsd.k12.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" wrote: > > I had some time, and my kids had been telling me of internet translators > that help them get "A"s in French class. After some searching I found the > following URL at North Dakota U. Thanks Richard! Who'd a thunk? > Hope all of you enjoy it in-between practicing mute drops and music stand > cart-wheels :-) Now THERE is a much needed gadget! The "Silent When Dropped" Trombone Mute, besides the fact that I now have big ugly DENT in my brand new Jo-Ral "Wah-Wah", and the play director wanting to know why I just HAD to step on his star's dialogue. (:>)) I won't forget my little carpet tonight. No I won't. TTFN Gary Maxwell Bass Trombone Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:20 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:46:24 -0600 From: "DOWDY, KENNETH S" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: gizmo for counting rests, Now: March in 6/5? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain That explaination confused me. I had just assumed that the poor student had spent some time watching me march and just formed the logical conclusing that the music must be in 6/5 time. Ken Left, right, left, uh . . . what foot were we on again? Dowdy > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom C. Shaddox [SMTP:Tom.Shaddox@fnc.fujitsu.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 12:06 PM > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > Subject: Was: gizmo for counting rests, Now: March in 6/5? > > Elisabeth Frederick wrote: > > > Tom (that's me) wrote: > > < in > > > 6/5?>> > > > > Say What!?!?! > > Liz, > > When he handed it in, his professor had the same reaction you did, and > asked > him to explain. He said, "You assigned us to compose a "short work > suitable > for American high-school marching band". Well, I come from an orchestral > background, and don't know anything about marching, or what might make a > suitable piece. I went and talked to the only marching band person I > know, > a trombonist and music education student in my dormitory. He offered me a > Guinness and we sat and talked about marching for a long time. He said a > lot > of things I didn't understand; they apparently have a long and exclusive > musical history with unique terminology. He said that marching had changed > due to drum corp and Broadway show influences, and that with the > de-emphasis > of military style marching almost any piece of music could be used these > days. But he was very clear that tradition marching was done at 6/5!" > > Hope this explaination helps. If not, drop by my house; it might take a > Guinness, or two, before this joke is funny. > Tom From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:26 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:44:33 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: Tom.Shaddox@fnc.fujitsu.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Was: gizmo for counting rests, Now: March in 6/5? Message-ID: <38D12B91.AE2182EA@bcsd.k12.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Tom C. Shaddox" wrote: > But he was very clear that tradition marching was done at 6/5!" > > Hope this explaination helps. If not, drop by my house; it might take a > Guinness, or two, before this joke is funny. It certainly works for me. I swear my Middle School band marched in 6/5 much of this year. And that was to Sousa! Damn! I wish I could have that Guinness. Gary Maxwell From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:26 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:58:32 -0500 From: Thomas Cox To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: gizmo for counting rests, Now: March in 6/5? Message-ID: <5FA575D78630D3118B2E0090276DC89F0241B63E@merc08.us.sas.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Well, it happened like this: A school of post-modern European composers started writing in "Metric meter," which always has 10 deci-notes to the bar. (Makes them easier to subdivide into centi-notes and milli-notes, or so I'm told.) Shortly thereafter, splinter groups corrupted it to allow 12/10 Metric meter. From there, it was a short slide down the slippery slope to some joker writing a march in "cut" Metric meter... Thomas Cox -----Original Message----- From: Tom C. Shaddox [mailto:Tom.Shaddox@fnc.fujitsu.com] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 1:06 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Was: gizmo for counting rests, Now: March in 6/5? Elisabeth Frederick wrote: > Tom (that's me) wrote: > < > 6/5?>> > > Say What!?!?! Liz, When he handed it in, his professor had the same reaction you did, and asked him to explain. He said, "You assigned us to compose a "short work suitable for American high-school marching band". Well, I come from an orchestral background, and don't know anything about marching, or what might make a suitable piece. I went and talked to the only marching band person I know, a trombonist and music education student in my dormitory. He offered me a Guinness and we sat and talked about marching for a long time. He said a lot of things I didn't understand; they apparently have a long and exclusive musical history with unique terminology. He said that marching had changed due to drum corp and Broadway show influences, and that with the de-emphasis of military style marching almost any piece of music could be used these days. But he was very clear that tradition marching was done at 6/5!" Hope this explaination helps. If not, drop by my house; it might take a Guinness, or two, before this joke is funny. Tom From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:28 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:58:16 -0800 From: "Rodney Ellard" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Needed: Some Latin help Message-ID: <001001bf8f79$9d632b00$1be594d1@rod> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a web-site that offers to translate ordinary English sentences into something Frank Sinatra might say. I wonder how this translation would come out in Sinatrese. Rod From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:29 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:02:53 -0600 From: ERNIE PAUL LUKAS To: kdowdy@oppd.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: gizmo for counting rests, Now: March in 6/5? Message-ID: <38D12FDD.559A2A94@bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "DOWDY, KENNETH S" wrote: > That explanation confused me. I had just assumed that the poor student had > spent some time watching me march and just formed the logical conclusing > that the music must be in 6/5 time. > Ken Left, right, left, uh . . . what foot were we on again? Dowdy Not THAT left, Dowdy! I meant the OTHER left!! -- Deja moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before. ERNIE PAUL LUKAS TROMBONIST, PUBLICIST BARTLETT COMMUNITY CONCERT BAND MEMPHIS, TENNESSEE USA From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:31 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:06:21 EST From: MBennetts@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Was: gizmo for counting rests, Now: March in 6/5? Message-ID: <69.25abfd3.260298bd@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In a message dated 03/16/00 12:49:21 PM Central Standard Time, maxwellg@bcsd.k12.ca.us writes: > t certainly works for me. I swear my Middle School band marched in 6/5 > much of this year. And that was to Sousa! They must grow 'em taller now. In high school 40 years ago we marched 8/5. Mike Bennett --------------- "All priests in my diocese are hereby urged to play the tombone since this instrument can make God's voice heard". 16th Century Bishop of VŠsterŒs, Sweden From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:31 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:35:06 -0600 From: "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Was: gizmo for counting rests, Now: March in 6/5? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain > In a message dated 03/16/00 12:49:21 PM Central Standard Time, > maxwellg@bcsd.k12.ca.us writes: > > > t certainly works for me. I swear my Middle School band marched in 6/5 > > much of this year. And that was to Sousa! > And Mike Bennett answered > They must grow 'em taller now. In high school 40 years ago we marched > 8/5. > Ah. Now it almost makes sense. (Was high school really 40 years ago? Getting there.) For football half time shows, we were supposed to march 8 steps every 5 yards. (That was the theory, anyway.) At least one opposing band seemed to be moving a lot faster, although the tempo of the music was about the same. Turns out they were only getting 6 steps every 5 yards, and so covering the distance in two fewer steps. So now I can figure out 6/5 and 8/5. But as a time signature? If the "composer" understood that, somehow, 6/5 was standard for marching, how could he misperceive that as a meter? How on earth would he notate it? What are they teaching in theory classes these days, anyway? Oh, Mike--it's about time for you to correct a typo in your signature block! (Unless you think one of Izzo's groups was around back then!) ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ David Guion, Cataloger John Marshall Law School 315 S. Plymouth Ct. Chicago, IL 60604 Voice: (312) 427-2737 x 552 Fax; (312) 427-8307 "Outside of a dog, books are a man's best friend; inside of a dog, it's too dark to read"--Groucho Marx ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:31 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:36:18 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: MBennetts@aol.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Was: gizmo for counting rests, Now: March in 6/5? Message-ID: <38D145C2.C88F70C8@bcsd.k12.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MBennetts@aol.com wrote: > > They must grow 'em taller now. In high school 40 years ago we marched 8/5. Actually, I think that may be exactly the case. I have 5, 8th graders with 38"-40" waists and 7 from 5'8" to 6'2". I don't remember many that size in my HS band. Then, also, I think egos are certainly more outwardly displayed now days and boy, when you get them fired up 6/5 is easy. First parade we had to do two countermarches just to give time for the rest of the parade to catch up! (:>)) See, it may take awhile, but I do catch on eventually. duh Gary Maxwell From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:38 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:48:32 -0700 From: Bear Woodson To: Trombone List Cc: "Mr. Douglas Yeo" Subject: Latin Prayer Translation Site Message-ID: <38D14886.78E2@AZStarNet.Com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Trombone List and Mr. Yeo. The other year ago, I took a class in Medieval Music from our expert professor, Dr. John Brobeck, here at the University of Arizona. If you have special questions about more Medieval stuff, please E-Mail me privately, and I'll give you Dr. Brobeck's E-Mail address. I barely got through the class, but I enjoyed it. In the process of researching things for it, I found several Web Sites for Medieval Info, and kept them in my computer address book. Here is Site for Translations of Latin Prayers, including this Marian Antiphon: http://unidial.com/~martinus/thesaurus/BVM/ReginaCaeli.html Regina caeli laetare, alleluia: Quia quem meruisti portare, alleluia: Resurrexit, sicut dixit, alleluia: Ora pro nobis Deum, alleluia. O Queen of heaven rejoice! alleluia: For He whom thou didst merit to bear, alleluia, Hath arisen as he said, alleluia. Pray for us to God, alleluia. Now having saved him some time, I just wish Mr. Yeo would take a little time to look through the "Arioso for Unaccompanied (Tenor) Trombone" and "Canticle for Unac- companied Tuba, or Bass Trombone", that I sent him some time ago. (Please? *pout*, *sniff*, *whine*). Bear Woodson doctoral student composer at the University of Arizona Tucson, Arizona, USA "Have you ever noticed that the same people who say: 'Instant Gratification takes too long', also often say 'Three-Chord-Wonder music has too many chords'?" - Bear Woodson From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:38 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:53:47 +0000 From: Eric and Candice Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Bent Bass Trombone Message-ID: <38D10381.6CB2B7C1@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > David S Staines wrote: > > > -- a friend of mine has a nice Yamaha Bass > > Trombone (YSL 613) . The problem is that the > > dual rotors and extra tubing add alot of weight to the bell section. > > Recently, a bend in the metal between the two valves has developed. He > > suspects that the added weight may be responsible. This trombone is > > available as a single rotor, and we were wondering if when creating this > > model, Yamaha added the second valve without considering if the metal was > > strong enough to hold its own weight. > Walter Barrett wrote: > ...likely culprit would be getting bent from dropping, or bumped > against something/someone. I agree, horns don't just spontaneously bend. He's dropped it, it fell over, it got sat on or smashed in a gig bag, etc., etc. I have seen horns bend from the quick snap-up in marching band, eventually even breaking off the valve at the knuckle. So, there are lots of possibilities, but they don't just bend from the weight of the horn. If they did, all those Edwards bass trombones out there would be in pieces by now. (Oops, did I say that?) Eric Swanson From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:41 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:49:18 EST From: MikeSuter@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: help Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Guys, Yesterday morning a techie at my (I now know) evil internet server told me the ISP version of the "BIG LIE" - you know the one: I love you; the check is in the mail; and one other that I can't remember. At any rate, by following their directions I lost my address book, all my Favorite Places, and my saved mail. It'll take a while (about 3 weeks + the 10 years in jail for killing the techie) but I'll be able to replace most of the stuff. But one thing is important to me right now: I've been having a correspondence with a member of the list regarding the playback of my "Trombania" CD by Slidewerke. If you're the one, please write me back when you get the chance. Thanks, Mike Suter From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:41 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:56:49 EST From: JennWhaa@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Hoyt Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know there are people out there who know info about this guy and his garage. Please e-mail me privately. I have a few questions. Thanks, Jen From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:41 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:15:11 PST From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: we need a gizmo Message-ID: <20000317001511.66574.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >> >Why count rests if you know the music? >>and be able to hear your entrances. In > What do people do when playing Philip Glass pieces? DanP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:41 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:24:43 PST From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Sharp Message-ID: <20000317002443.26040.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >David- >It's not unusual for something to change when the adrenalin kicks in. You >have 2 choices- Get a LOT more excited about practicing, or calm down at >the performance! Things have sure changed since the 60s. Then, we would have said,'Like wow man. Just stay high on adrenalin, man, and you're stay even kiltered throughout the performance.' DanP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:41 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:36:57 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: MBennetts@aol.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Was: gizmo for counting rests, Now: March in 6/5? Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000316163601.00b25aa0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 03:06 PM 3/16/00 -0500, MBennetts@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 03/16/00 12:49:21 PM Central Standard Time, >maxwellg@bcsd.k12.ca.us writes: > > > t certainly works for me. I swear my Middle School band marched in 6/5 > > much of this year. And that was to Sousa! > >They must grow 'em taller now. In high school 40 years ago we marched 8/5. Must have been before Drum & Bugle Corps... Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34¼25.446' W103¼12.700' (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:42 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:10:48 -0500 (EST) From: David D Sporny To: Douglas Yeo Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Brubeck Concerto recording Message-ID: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Douglas Yeo wrote: > I was in a Barnes and Nobles bookstore tonight and noticed that Chris > Brubeck's recording of his Bass Trombone Concerto (with the London > Symphony Orchestra, which had previously been a private release and > was difficult to locate,) is now available on Koch International > Classics, catalog number 3-7485-2 H1, I presume it therefore can > easily be ordered from the usual online outlets. The album title is > "Bach to Brubeck" and is a very eclectic collection of music which in > addition to Chris' fine Concerto, includes performances by Bill > Crofut in arrangements and original compositions by Chris. > > FYI, I played the Brubeck Concerto at the 1999 ITF and also last year > with the Boston Pops Orchestra and hope to play it again this coming > Pops season as part of the "Evening at Pops" television series on > PBS. Keeping my fingers crossed... > > -Doug Yeo > ********************************************** > * Douglas Yeo * > * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * > * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * > * yeo@yeodoug.com * > * http://www.yeodoug.com * > * <>< * > ********************************************** > > Just got back from spring break and was looking at all of my messages when I saw Doug's post about the Brubeck Concerto. I was very fortunate to hear Doug perform the piece with the Boston Pops this last summer. I believe Chris wrote out his improvisations from the original recording and Doug did a masterful job of negotiating some tricky lines. His playing was outstanding and he really owned the piece. It seemed as though the orch. enjoyed playing the acc. as well. I am familiar with Chris' writing and he incorporated many of his musical influences and his wonderful sense of humor. I understand that the piece is getting quite a few performances around the country. If you have a chance to pick up the CD, I think you will enjoy the work. Later, Dave Sporny UMASS From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:42 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:59:14 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: ABC News Cybershake Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" A quick note: The New England Brass Band, of which I am music director, played at a brass band festival in Montclair, NJ a week or so ago. After our evening performance, John Belmont, a reporter with ABC News Radio asked if he could interview me for his daily one minute show, "Cybershake" which talks about web trends, etc. He had come to the concert, visited my website and liked what he saw. So I talked to him for a few minutes about my website and use of the internet, my work with brass bands, etc, and his little piece came out today - it includes some background of me playing the Stephen Bulla "Rhapsody" which is from my CD PROCLAMATION. Some of you may have heard it, if not, you can get it tonight and perhaps tomorrow morning at: http://www.abcnews.com Click on "Technology" on the left hand column, then on the next screen, click on "Cybershake" - the audio (1 minute) will automatically play with RealPlayer. It's a daily show, so when tomorrow afternoon, comes a new show will be on. You never know who's going to be lurking around a corner with a microphone.... -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:43 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:33:13 -0600 From: ERNIE PAUL LUKAS To: yeo@yeodoug.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: ABC News Cybershake Message-ID: <38D1B589.5BB46233@bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Douglas Yeo wrote: > > A quick note: > > The New England Brass Band, of which I am music director, played at a > brass band festival in Montclair, NJ a week or so ago. After our > evening performance, John Belmont, a reporter with ABC News Radio > asked if he could interview me for his daily one minute show, > "Cybershake" which talks about web trends, etc. GOOD JOB, DOUG! The news item is on the ABC website. -- Deja moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before. ERNIE PAUL LUKAS TROMBONIST, PUBLICIST BARTLETT COMMUNITY CONCERT BAND MEMPHIS, TENNESSEE USA From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:43 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:58:15 EST From: JoshuaSL@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: More Latin Help Message-ID: <9d.318b3a9.26031567@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a slightly different version of it from a friend of mine who is a Latin major at William and Mary. >Regina caeli laetare, alleluia: queen of heaven, rejoice, alleluia >Quia quem meruisti portare, alleluia: because you have earned him whom you carry, alleluia >Resurrexit, sicut dixit, alleluia: he has risen just as he said, alleluia >Ora pro nobis Deum, alleluia. pray for us, lord alleluia Joshua From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:43 2000 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:15:59 EST From: Servo149@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Harmon Mute Help Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Listers- I have a problem, it seems that the stem on my Harmon mute has become stuck. This represents a major problem since I most often play with no stem at all. Have any of you had this problem before, if so, how did you remedy it. Until later, I'll just stick with the brute force method. Tate Addis From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:43 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:14:26 -0800 From: jimandcat@juno.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Rests (kinda long) Message-ID: <20000316.212918.-230283.1.Jimandcat@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>....in Stutgart, Germany.... The opera had actually set up a small sandwich and drink bar, where the musician could actually rest with his/her favorite drink andor snack, then hustle back to meet the note requirement.<< Reminds me of when the new Opera house in Caracas opened in the 1980's, they had a cafe and bar backstage for the performers (they pride themselves on being "European"). Some of the orchestra, particularly the East European strings, would "tune-up" at the bar before the opera and between acts. Their downfall was a Verdi four act opera. By the fourth act the orchestra had to be poured back into their chairs. Before the next performance the conductor insisted that all music be examined to be sure they were playing the same work! However, the management figured it out and closed the bar after the 2nd act except for coffee. Trombone related content: For some odd and unusual reason the trombone section was one of the few sober ones. Probably didn't want to mess up counting all those rests! ;-) Jim Prindle ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 07:33:43 2000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:35:48 -0700 From: Galen Zinn To: Trombone List Subject: Nooks & Crannies Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit What type of screwdriver do you use to tighten/loosen screws on your Thayer valves when there is only 3/8" clearance between the two valves? Obviously most regular screwdrivers are too long for the available space. Offset? (90 degrees) Ratchet? Where can you find one small enough for the space but strong enough for the job? I haven't tried Sears yet, but I'm running out of ideas. My fingernail and Swiss Army knife have helped some but there must be a better way? A local music instrument repair shop didn't know what they would use because "they had never worked on Thayers before". I guess I won't go there! Galen Zinn E-mail: zinger@musician.org