TROMBONE-L Digest 1613 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Is this what you call a convertible bone? by David Molter 2) RE: Sovereign Trombone by Eric Burger 3) Re: Lowitz by Howard Weiner 4) Re: Is this what you call a convertible bone? by Earl Needham 5) RE: Is this what you call a convertible bone? by "Bennett, Gordon (Contractor)" 6) Re: Is this what you call a convertible bone? by Chris Waage 7) Re: Is this what you call a convertible bone? by Larry & Carol Bronisz 8) Antique King for sale by "R Miller" 9) Lip problems by Topper 10) Re: Single-tonguing speed limit by "Aaron Roth" 11) Re: Is this what you call a convertible bone? by "Daniel Pliskin" 12) RE: Is this what you call a convertible bone? by "Daniel Pliskin" 13) Re: Antique King for sale by "Daniel Pliskin" 14) RE: Lip problems by "Johnson, Scott (TBS)" 15) Re: Lip problems by "Joe L. Norcross" 16) Re: Is this what you call a convertible bone? by Steve88h@aol.com 17) Items for sale by James Scott 18) Re: Single-tonguing speed limit by Daniel Maslowski 19) Re: Lip problems by "Daniel Pliskin" 20) Re: Is this what you call a convertible bone?(rest in peace) by Trmbman@aol.com 21) 1998 ITF Question? by "Chad Horsley" 22) Re: Single-tonguing speed limit by aceftd@aztec.asu.edu (FRANK T. DARMIENTO) 23) Re: Single-tonguing speed limit by Neobopr@aol.com 24) Re: 1998 ITF Question? by "Gary Maxwell" 25) Writing Music by Galen Zinn 26) Live Cat Mutes, Hillary & Bill mutes [humor] by Bear Woodson 27) Duet Music.. by "Maria R. Tekle-Wolde" 28) Re: 1998 ITF Question? by "Chad Horsley" 29) Musical Evolution by Andrew Michael From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:45 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:57:03 -0500 (EST) From: David Molter To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Is this what you call a convertible bone? Message-ID: <381444080.952005423596.JavaMail.root@web26.pub01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you who always wanted a bone with a detachable bell, check out this e-bay auction. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=273113533 Opinions on what cause this are highly encouraged! Dave Molter Pittsburgh, PA From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:45 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:44:15 +-100 From: Eric Burger To: "'Jim Ryon'" , "'Trombone List'" Subject: RE: Sovereign Trombone Message-ID: <01BF844D.AB4160C0@fra-pci-lag-vty28.as.wcom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes, played a few at the factory - I found it much faster and articulate than my OE Thayer Valve. I think Besson is making some great horns, but not too many people care. Eric Burger ---------- From: Jim Ryon[SMTP:jimryon@desupernet.net] Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 12:09 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Sovereign Trombone Has anyone out there played the Besson Sovereign trombone with the Hagman valve. If so, what are your impressions. Jim Ryon From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:45 2000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 15:43:40 From: Howard Weiner To: 1becka@bellsouth.net, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Lowitz Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20000302154340.111f04a2@mail.privat.toplink.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 09:37 01.03.2000 -0500, 1becka@bellsouth.net wrote: >I was reading the Guion text and ran across a Transylvanian trombonist >named Lowitz who apparently played for Gossec with the Braun brothers. >Does anyone know of any other sources discussing the Transylvanian >Lowitz where I could get more information about his career? Aaron >Misenheimer. Aaron, I can't really tell you too much about Lowitz, other than he was also probably known as "Louis" (the French version of "Lowitz") and played in the Paris opera. He was one of the many "foreign" (i.e. non-French) wind players active in Paris during the second half of the 18th century. In my up-coming article "Andre Braun's 'Gamme et MŽthode pour les Trombonnes' revisited" (Historic Brass Society Journal 11 [1999]) I tentatively attribute a manuscript leaf found in the National Library in Paris to Lowitz. This manuscript, headed "Gamme des Tromboni" (scale of the trombones), shows the ranges of the three sizes of trombone (alto: g-d"; tenor: d-a'; and bass: F-c'). There is also note that reads: "One should use the extreme high and low ranges only when absolutely necessary. The middle range of all the wind instruments is always the most beautiful. As an example, so how Mr. Gluck has employed them in "Alceste" and "IphigŽnie en Audlide." "Mr. Gluck" is of course the Viennese composer Christoph Willibald Gluck, who very likely re-introduced the trombone to Paris in 1774. (Gossec's claim of having used trombones in his opera "Sabinus" in 1773 has been called into question by many historians.) In any case, for more information on Lowitz/Louis you might want to check out F.-J. Fetis, "Biographie universelle des musiciens..." and Jan LaRue & Howard Brofsky, "Parisian Brass Players, 1751-1793" Brass Quarterly III/4 (1960). Howard -- Howard Weiner weiner@privat.toplink.de http://www.odilia.ch/howard-weiner "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture" - attributed to Frank Zappa "Beschriebene Musik ist wie ein erzŠhltes Mittagessen" - Franz Grillparzer zugeschrieben From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:45 2000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 07:51:37 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: kingbone@earthlink.net, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Is this what you call a convertible bone? Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000302075105.00c40530@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 08:57 AM 3/2/00 -0500, David Molter wrote: >For those of you who always wanted a bone with a detachable bell, check >out this e-bay auction. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=273113533 > >Opinions on what cause this are highly encouraged! I see the horn is in Lubbock. Let me do some calling and I bet we can get the actual story! Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34¼25.446' W103¼12.700' (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:45 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:15:28 -0500 From: "Bennett, Gordon (Contractor)" To: "'TBone List'" Subject: RE: Is this what you call a convertible bone? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Obviously, this horn has been abused by unethical acoustics researchers experimenting with the effects of air column length and bell flare on trombone sound. We need to inform PETI (People for the Ethical Treatment of Instruments) right away, so we can locate the researchers' lab and stage a midnight raid to free any other trombones that are being cruelly experimented upon. What is this world coming to? What's next, some callous researcher using trombones for cosmetics testing? Feeling weirder than usual this morning, Gordon Bennett Harris Air Traffic Control Communications "Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience." - Scott Adams -----Original Message----- From: David Molter [mailto:kingbone@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 8:57 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Is this what you call a convertible bone? For those of you who always wanted a bone with a detachable bell, check out this e-bay auction. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=273113533 Opinions on what cause this are highly encouraged! Dave Molter Pittsburgh, PA From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:45 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:15:34 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Re: Is this what you call a convertible bone? Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit OH, BOY, DOES THAT BRING BACK MEMORIES!!! Now, I don't know anything about this instrument, but when I was in high school, one of the senior trombonists had an 88H that had gotten a bit rough around the edges. He decided he wanted a new instrument for college, so he researched the insurance policy the local music store had sold him when he bought his current one new. It covered "accidental damage, up to and including replacement value of the instrument." At a football game one Friday night, he and his friends decided to see what would happen if they dropped it from the top of the stadium to the parking lot. You could barely tell it was a trombone, mostly from the long, straight section . . . . He took it in and filed a claim under "Accidental Damage." Six weeks later, the store called him to come by and pick up the replacement. It turned out the policy also said, "Repair OR replace at the insurer's discretion (sp?)". They repaired it. ;-) Chris >At 08:57 AM 3/2/00 -0500, David Molter wrote: >>For those of you who always wanted a bone with a detachable bell, >>check out this e-bay auction. >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=273113533 >> >>Opinions on what cause this are highly encouraged! > > > I see the horn is in Lubbock. Let me do some calling and I >bet we can get the actual story! > > Earl > > > >Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG >Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34¼25.446' W103¼12.700' (or so) > >Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a >breath, you breathe...) _____________________________________________ Chris Waage basstbn@waageworks.com Visit The Mouthpiece Exchange at http://www.waageworks.com _____________________________________________ From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:46 2000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 09:10:35 -0700 From: Larry & Carol Bronisz To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Is this what you call a convertible bone? Message-ID: <4.1.20000302090128.00caa860@mail.trail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I believe this instrumnet is a quintessential example of one a convertible Conn sackbut/trombone. Only a very few were made in Missouri during the journey in which carnival workers were moving Conn's production line from Indiana to Texas. The length of bell would indicate an alto pitched in D. Then again it could have been pitched off of the bleachers.......... - Larry At 08:57 AM 3/2/00 -0500, David Molter wrote: >For those of you who always wanted a bone with a detachable bell, check out >this e-bay auction. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=273113533 > >Opinions on what cause this are highly encouraged! > >Dave Molter >Pittsburgh, PA > From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:46 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:23:45 -0600 From: "R Miller" To: "listserv posting address" Subject: Antique King for sale Message-ID: <001001bf8463$b498ba40$f0e41d18@ce.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01BF8431.63D60EA0"
It's the last one from my collection and the best. I won't clog the list anymore with these auction posts. This is the last one, really!
 
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 From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:46 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:46:10 -0500 From: Topper To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Lip problems Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear sirs/madams, I was wondering if anyone there knew of specialists who work with balancing a single reed with a brasswind embouchure? My grandson playes both Trombone and Baritone Sax, has been having difficulty at college and neither of his teachers can help. I may be willing to help with his airfair if in USA. Many thanks, Leo From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:46 2000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 10:22:20 PST From: "Aaron Roth" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Single-tonguing speed limit Message-ID: <20000302182220.94576.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Dave Burch called out out of his window while typing: <accomplished player single-tongue this pattern? I'm sure it varies among >players, but what is the range one should expect reasonably to achieve? > >Bottom line: Would most fine players be able to single tongue this >pattern at this tempo, or would most double-tongue it?>> Heh heh, take out the word "fine" and I can tell you how I'd do it. I played the Hartley Sonata Breve two hours ago at the student recital; the second movement goes at M.M.=152, and there are many, many such instances of two 16ths and an 8th. When practicing at slower tempi, I single-tongued the 16ths up until about M.M.=132 or 138, and thereafter I double-tongued. Maybe a good player could play them single faster, but there's really no need if one's double-tonguing is pretty consistent and nothing really freaky is happening with the dynamics. Good luck! -Aaron Roth | /| | _ / | | ___________________/---/ | | / | | / __________________ | | / / _||_ || \---\_ | || / /Sold\ || \ | | \ \ \Bone/ || \| | \ \__||______||_______________________________________ | \_________________________________________________<> \ | | | | | ___/ \ \ | |ų---- __|_|____|_|___________________________/ / | | }________________________________________/ | |_---- Pet Peeves: ATM Machine = automated teller machine machine PIN Number = personal identification number number HIV Virus = Human Immunodeficiency Virus Virus Rio Grande River = River Big River Sierra Nevada Mountains = Mountains Snowy Mountains PAO Office = Public Affairs Office Office DAT Tape = digital audio tape tape (Mail suggestions to: ) (More coming) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:46 2000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 10:27:32 PST From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Is this what you call a convertible bone? Message-ID: <20000302182732.11557.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >For those of you who always wanted a bone with a detachable bell, check out >this e-bay auction. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=273113533 > >Opinions on what cause this are highly encouraged! My wife would gladly do that to my trombone·and yes, my poor playing has a whole lot to do with it. No, I believe that this fine instrument was in the process of being converted into a pocket trombone, when the sculptor discovered that folding the slide wasnāt a good option. DanP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:46 2000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 10:34:04 PST From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Is this what you call a convertible bone? Message-ID: <20000302183404.70882.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Obviously, this horn has been abused by unethical acoustics researchers >experimenting with the effects of air column length and bell flare on >trombone sound. We need to inform PETI (People for the Ethical Treatment >of >Instruments) right away, so we can locate the researchers' lab and stage a >midnight raid to free any other trombones that are being cruelly >experimented upon. >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=273113533 Gordon, I think youāre on to something, here. Could it be that after cryogenically treating the bell, the horn was put into a machine where they played it with latex lips? The resulting sound was so resonant that the bell exploded, right at the center of the anti-node for the third overtone. DanP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:46 2000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 10:37:21 PST From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Antique King for sale Message-ID: <20000302183721.89790.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=273237639 Did you notice that there's no water valve on this horn? DanP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:46 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:16:47 -0500 From: "Johnson, Scott (TBS)" To: "'leo_g@carroll.com'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Lip problems Message-ID: <5D9A184FEEEDD211A4050000F81FD0E802522E4D@cnncmx04.turner.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Leo, This may be one of those mutually exclusive situations. My son, who is a very fine reed player, decided to double on Tuba for one of the Concert Bands at his high school for Festival competitions this year. When a mentor of his, who is an oboist, heard this, he nearly went ballistic. "He will ruin his reed embouchure! He better not do that in college!!" That, of course is one man's opinion. I believe Dan P., who is on this list, doubles oboe and Trombone. Perhaps he can respond with more authority than I. BTW - My son, ever young and indestructible, is still doubling Tuba; plus his regular gig - Clarinet in Symphonic band and now Sax in yet another band. Go figure. Regards, Scott Johnson Conyers, GA USA PS - Cute email name. I loved that series. -----Original Message----- From: Topper [mailto:leo_g@carroll.com] Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 11:46 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Lip problems Dear sirs/madams, I was wondering if anyone there knew of specialists who work with balancing a single reed with a brasswind embouchure? My grandson playes both Trombone and Baritone Sax, has been having difficulty at college and neither of his teachers can help. I may be willing to help with his airfair if in USA. Many thanks, Leo From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:46 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:17:56 -0800 From: "Joe L. Norcross" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Lip problems Message-ID: <001d01bf8484$66d8d8a0$04000005@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For the fellow who doubles on reeds and tuba I know a guy who plays oboe, tuba, French horn and trombone. He is bad on all of them. Some people should not play. Good luck ______________________________________ Joe L. Norcross Tuba: Sequoia Winds and Visalia, CA British Brass Band Tuba and Announcer, Kingsburg,CA, City Band joetuba@lightspeed.net From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:46 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:24:04 EST From: Steve88h@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Is this what you call a convertible bone? Message-ID: <22.2a9c545.25f027e4@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is the remains of the trombone formerly owned by Paolo Esperanza of Montevideo, Uruguay, used in an August, 1998, performance of "1812 Overture" widely (and overly) publicized on this list. In addition to the bell getting blown off the explosion caused the double-valved Yamaha bass trombone to look like a Conn 88h. From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:46 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:52:04 -0700 (MST) From: James Scott To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Items for sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Both of these are listed in the classifieds section of the Online Trombone Journal, but I thought I'd see if I could stir up some interest from the list: 1. Conn 24H (c.1920's) .485 bore, silver plated with a combination of bright and brushed (or satin) silver - ornately engraved. Heavy bell that holds up well in FF, and sounds sweet on ballads. Bell in great condition, slide is very good - just been worked on. There's some brass showing through at contact points on slide grip area. Asking $600 (US) 2. Edwards dual bore (.547/.562) slide - orchestral weight w/nickle sleeves and crook - 1 leadpipe (brass T1) included - in brand new condition. Asking $400 (US) Please contact me off-list if either of these items is of interest to you. Thanks, Jim Scott From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:46 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:25:25 -0600 (CST) From: Daniel Maslowski To: Dave Burch Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Single-tonguing speed limit Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ahh....nothing like the ever so popular Ewazen Sonata, cool. Have fun...didn't mean to barge in on a serious comment, just couldn't resist. :) -Dan Maslowski On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Dave Burch wrote: > Nice try, Dan. It's the last movement, "Allegro giocoso", of Eric > Ewazen's tenor trombone sonata. > > Daniel Maslowski wrote: > > > > This piece wouldn't happen to be the last movement of the Lars-Erik > > Larsson Concertino, would it? ;-) > > -Dan Maslowski > > > > On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Dave Burch wrote: > > > > > Hello, all. I'm working on a solo piece that goes fairly fast and > > > requires many clean and crisp 16th-16th-8th note patterns. I'm taking it > > > at a quick clip, quarter note = 152, with a metronome, and I'm finding > > > that I can't *quite* single tongue fast enough to keep up with these > > > 16th note pairs. A tempo of 152 means 608 16th notes per minute, or 10 > > > per second, which sounds pretty fast to me. My question: How fast can an > > > accomplished player single-tongue this pattern? I'm sure it varies among > > > players, but what is the range one should expect reasonably to achieve? > > > > > > Bottom line: Would most fine players be able to single tongue this > > > pattern at this tempo, or would most double-tongue it? > > > > > > Thanks. > From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:46 2000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:13:04 PST From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Lip problems Message-ID: <20000303001304.28194.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >I know a guy who plays oboe, tuba, French horn and trombone. He is bad on >all of them. >Some people should not play. I guess Iām an old R&B guy from way back. My first interpretation of ćheās bad on all of themä was that he played them all very well. Iām glad you redundantly cleared that misunderstanding up. DanP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:46 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:41:25 EST From: Trmbman@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Is this what you call a convertible bone?(rest in peace) Message-ID: <76.1ea682c.25f06435@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can't believe someone has bid actual money for that. I looks destined for the scrap heap. RIP little trombone In a message dated 3/2/00 7:57:38 AM Central Standard Time, kingbone@earthlink.net writes: << http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=273113533 >> Trombone and Euphonium Player Visit my Webpage at Http://Wactrm.tripod.com or contact me at Trmbman@aol.com From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:46 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:45:49 -0800 From: "Chad Horsley" To: Subject: 1998 ITF Question? Message-ID: <002901bf84ba$95e59da0$3996fea9@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01BF8477.8712E3C0"
Does anyone what the Julliard Trombone Choir Played in Boulder?
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 From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:46 2000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:27:44 -0700 (MST) From: aceftd@aztec.asu.edu (FRANK T. DARMIENTO) To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Single-tonguing speed limit Message-ID: <200003030127.SAA07471@aztec2.asu.edu> > >Hello, all. I'm working on a solo piece that goes fairly fast and >requires many clean and crisp 16th-16th-8th note patterns. I'm taking it >at a quick clip, quarter note = 152, with a metronome, and I'm finding >that I can't *quite* single tongue fast enough to keep up with these >16th note pairs. A tempo of 152 means 608 16th notes per minute, or 10 >per second, which sounds pretty fast to me. My question: How fast can an >accomplished player single-tongue this pattern? I'm sure it varies among >players, but what is the range one should expect reasonably to achieve? > >Bottom line: Would most fine players be able to single tongue this >pattern at this tempo, or would most double-tongue it? > Dave - The few times I've worked on extended 16th note passages with a metronome I found my single tongue speed limit for long patterns of 16th notes was between 104-108 MM. In comparison to my peers, I'd rate my single tongueing as reasonably good. So unless you're some kind of super-technician, 152 sounds like you're well into double tongue territory. Frank -- Frank T. Darmiento (e-mail: aceftd@aztec.asu.edu) Scottsdale, Arizona From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:46 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:08:15 EST From: Neobopr@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Single-tonguing speed limit Message-ID: <9b.2298e5a.25f0869f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/2/00 9:28:13 PM, aceftd@aztec.asu.edu writes: >My question: How fast can an >>accomplished player single-tongue this pattern? I'm sure it varies among >>players, but what is the range one should expect reasonably to achieve? >> I have a really fast single tongue from exercises. I can run through my tonguing exercise which ends with a full 4 counts of 16th notes (16 of them) at quarter =144 everyday. On some days I can do 148 but those are rare. Anything faster and I have to double tongue. Artist/Clinician for Yamaha-Jeff Adams From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:46 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:11:08 -0800 From: "Gary Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: 1998 ITF Question? Message-ID: <000d01bf84be$20203ea0$5700a5d1@maxwells> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01BF847B.10D68000"
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Does anyone what the Julliard Trombone Choir Played in Boulder?
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 From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:46 2000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 21:16:38 -0700 From: Galen Zinn To: Trombone List Subject: Writing Music Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit If there is anyone on the T-list who uses Pro Tools, a Kurzweil Synth, or Emagic's Logic Audio to write music for trombone and/or any other instruments, I would enjoy commiserating with you. Galen Zinn E-mail: zinger@musician.org Pay your dues or sing the blues! From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:46 2000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 22:57:34 -0700 From: Bear Woodson To: Trombone List Subject: Live Cat Mutes, Hillary & Bill mutes [humor] Message-ID: <38BF541E.4CD1@AZStarNet.Com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Trombone List. I'm a composer, and am on several of these Instrument Lists. I took the liberty of telling a few brass friends about the "Live Cat Mute" articles, that appeared on the Horn List from a week, or two, ago, and now we have invented a few variants. There is now the Hillary Clinton Tuba Mute. If she's not available, you are quite welcome to take any other American Politician, and stuff them head-first into a tuba! We have no shortage of arrogant people, who deserve to have their rhetoric drowned-out, while screaming deep inside a tube, while it's playing at a full ffff! However, proper decorum prevents me from precisely describing the method for using the Bill Clinton Trumpet Mute. Oh, well. Now there's already a growing demand for duets for Hillary-muted Tuba and Bill-muted Trumpet. In memory of P. D. Q. Bach's piece, perhaps such duets, should also be called a "Pervertimento Suite". Whaddja think? Bear Woodson doctoral student composer at the University of Arizona Tucson, Arizona, USA "If Chocolate Powder is made from Powdered Chocolate, and Onion Powder is made from Powdered Onions, what do they make Baby Powder from?" - Bear Woodson From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:46 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:21:57 -0800 From: "Maria R. Tekle-Wolde" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Duet Music.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF847C.93475540"
Listers,
 
Hiya... Yet again another question for you professors and performers..
 
I am taking part in a recital with my best friend who happens to play
French Horn.. and we've both been wondering if there is Horn/Trombone
duets out there that we could perform at the recital we're sharing..
 
We've both asked our professors and looked on the internet.. someone told
her that there is duets out there but didn't give her any titles...
 
Any information you might have would be greatly appreciated by us both..
 
On another note:
 
I had all four of my wisdom teeth cut out on 2/15... what a weird experience..
I was playing my trombone the following Monday but it was very hard to
play anything in the upper partials because it felt like something was going
to give.. I'm finally getting everything back on track and etc... but for all of you
out there... Give yourself two weeks to get back on track.. I'm just glad I did it
when I did because I have a concert tonight, last night.. and our concert
band tours next week..
 
Hope you all are having a great year 2000!!
Maria R. Tekle-Wolde
 From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:46 2000 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 01:17:09 -0800 From: "Chad Horsley" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: 1998 ITF Question? Message-ID: <006801bf84f1$413154c0$3996fea9@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0065_01BF84AE.3267C2A0"
Funny....real funny
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Trombones?
GDM
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Does anyone what the Julliard Trombone Choir Played in Boulder?
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 From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 07:41:46 2000 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 01:31:40 -0800 From: Andrew Michael To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Musical Evolution Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For a good laugh look at the 2000 ITF Faculty page: http://www.casema.net/~aznl/sub3.htm Does anyone know where the evolution image comes from or who has the copyright. I would love to have a t-shirt with this but given how clever and well done it is I also want to respect the artist. Andy