TROMBONE-L Digest 1612 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Superslide by DenBlose@aol.com 2) Shameless plug by "Denver D. Seifried" 3) Bach 42T by "Denver D. Seifried" 4) Re:Beversdorf Mute by "Denver D. Seifried" 5) Lowitz by 1becka@bellsouth.net 6) Trio music by "Berggren, Erik" 7) Look at the prices by Elisabeth Frederick 8) RE: Trio music by "Jim O'Briant" 9) Sound of Music -- THANK YOU! by "Jim O'Briant" 10) Wayne Dyess Message by "Michael P. Coyle" 11) In need of gig bag shoulder straps by Joestanko@aol.com 12) RE: In need of gig bag shoulder straps by "Berggren, Erik" 13) RE: In need of gig bag shoulder straps by Roger Karren 14) Re: [JJ-LIST] Tuning in the hand slide by sabutin@mindspring.com 15) Re: In need of gig bag shoulder straps by sabutin@mindspring.com 16) Re: Look at the prices by sabutin@mindspring.com 17) Pedagogy-- Concepts by Beth Lewis 18) Method Book for Sale by MBennetts@aol.com 19) Mouthpiece Exchange Update by Chris Waage 20) National Anthem by "Kathy Green" 21) RE: Beversdorf mute by owlnet@mindspring.com 22) Wycliff's Mutes by "MARK LEWIS" 23) Yeo mouthpiece by Tmazzocchi@aol.com 24) Sovereign Trombone by Jim Ryon 25) Brian Rose by "Michael P. Coyle" 26) Re: In need of gig bag shoulder straps by Eric and Candice Swanson 27) Re: Acoustic analysis of overtomnes ?(was RE: Mouthpiece Buzzing) by sabutin@mindspring.com 28) Re: Pedagogy-- Concepts by sabutin@mindspring.com 29) Re: National Anthem by Dave Burch 30) Re: Method Book for Sale by "John Lavoie" 31) Online Trombone Journal E-News #5 by Chris Waage 32) Single-tonguing speed limit by Dave Burch 33) Re: Single-tonguing speed limit by Daniel Maslowski 34) Re: Single-tonguing speed limit by Dave Burch 35) Ebay and other on line sources of instruments. by George Apgar 36) Re: In need of gig bag shoulder straps by SFTrombone@aol.com 37) Re: In need of gig bag shoulder straps by "Dynamic Music Publications" 38) Re: Sovereign Trombone by Jonathan Harker 39) Doug Yeo and Cornerstone by Zemry@aol.com From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 07:06:00 EST From: DenBlose@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Superslide Message-ID: <7c.254c1ad.25ee61a8@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been trying for about two weeks to contact Rick Theis to purchase his Superslide treatment. Two phone numbers were incorrect and an e-mail address (supplied by John Upchurch) has gotten no response. Has anyone out there had recent contact and can tell me how to get in touch? Thanks Dennis From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:08:49 -0500 From: "Denver D. Seifried" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Shameless plug Message-ID: <002e01bf8387$ab7ec9e0$3d6b5acf@dscomp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Information for any list members who live near Dayton, OH: The Dayton Jazz Orchestra will be host to the fabulous Willis "Bill" Holman on Friday evening, March 3rd. The concert is set for 8:00 p.m. at Centerville High School's Auditorium. The DJO will be playing an all Bill Holman concert, featuring arrangements from View From The Side, Brilliant Corners, plus many older Bill Holman charts. This is a concert I have waited about 40 years to play, as I bought my first Bill Holman record in about 1960! Tickets are available at the door. This is a small auditorium and a great chance to meet one of the major arrangers of the century. E-mail off the list for directions to Centerville H.S. Denny Seifried Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:14:25 -0500 From: "Denver D. Seifried" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Bach 42T Message-ID: <003701bf8388$7374f960$3d6b5acf@dscomp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01BF835E.8A004060"
List members: Members looking for a Bach 42 Thayer-I had a chance to play the 42T at my lessons last evening at a local music store, and it plays very well and has a good slide. It is brand new, has the standard yellow brass bell and standard slide. The store also has a good playing 88-H open wrap. The store is located in S.W. Ohio. Please e-mail off list for information.
 
Denny Seifried
Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra
 From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:20:52 -0500 From: "Denver D. Seifried" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re:Beversdorf Mute Message-ID: <004d01bf8389$5a18dbc0$3d6b5acf@dscomp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01BF835F.70A422C0"
Joshua,
 
I also have one of these mutes, which I use on bass trombone. They were originally distributed by an accessory division of Conn. I purchased mine in the early 1970's and like you, have found it to be a great straight mute. I do not think they are being sold any longer. Maybe some of the list members will have more information.
 
Denny Seifried
Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra
 From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 09:37:34 -0500 From: 1becka@bellsouth.net To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Lowitz Message-ID: <38BD2B2E.9B122A72@bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was reading the Guion text and ran across a Transylvanian trombonist named Lowitz who apparently played for Gossec with the Braun brothers. Does anyone know of any other sources discussing the Transylvanian Lowitz where I could get more information about his career? Aaron Misenheimer. From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:12:01 -0600 From: "Berggren, Erik" To: "'Trombone-L'" Subject: Trio music Message-ID: <69B69101614FD3119D9F00104B9883E70E8ED4@bkxchusr01.bk.state.ks.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I'm part of a struggling church trio. The trio is struggling, not the church :-)! The instrumentation is trumpet, trombone and French horn. Does anyone have recommendations on some trio selections that would be appropriate for church settings, i.e., preludes, offertory, postludes, communion, weddings, funerals, dedication services, etc. Thanks! From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 07:29:42 -0800 From: Elisabeth Frederick To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Look at the prices Message-ID: <38BD3766.9440DB57@nctimes.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Everybody, I was looking around ebay this morning. Check out the prices for instruments in this ad. Great Huh?? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271294931 Cya All Later!! Elisabeth From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 07:53:33 -0800 From: "Jim O'Briant" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Trio music Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Erik Berggren asks: > Does anyone have recommendations on some > trio selections [for trumpet/horn/trombone] > that would be appropriate for church settings, > i.e., preludes, offertory, postludes, communion, > weddings, funerals, dedication services, etc. First of all, spend a little time browsing some music publisher websites. There are a LOT of brass trios in print for this instrumentation. Also, if your trumpet and horn players can transpose "on the fly," you can read stuff straight out of the hymnal. It will work even better if you add a second trumpet, so that the two trumpets play the soprano and alto lines, horn covers tenor and trombone covers bass voice line from the hymn book. Many hymnals are also available in versions with transposed parts for just the kind of use you describe. Jim (sorry, I have no brass trios in print) O'Briant Bayside Music Press Gilroy, CA From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 08:22:35 -0800 From: "Jim O'Briant" To: "Tuba/Euph Mailing List" , "Trombone Mailing List" Subject: Sound of Music -- THANK YOU! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear List -- On Monday morning, I posted some questions about conducting "The Sound of Music" on eight different music-related mailing lists, and I've gotten an unbelievable number of responses in less than 48 hours! I've responded privately to everyone who wrote, but I also wanted to let the list as a whole know how successful my query has been. Every one of the responses I've received has been positive and helpful, without exception. With all the information, observations and opinions about "Sound of Music" that I've received, I think I have a pretty good idea what's in store if our local theatre company does indeed stage this production. Thanks again to those who wrote, and to the list for just being here for purposes like this! Best regards, Jim O'Briant Gilroy, CA From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 10:23:27 -0600 From: "Michael P. Coyle" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Wayne Dyess Message Message-ID: <200003011625.KAA21163@newton.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey you guys, I spoke with Wayne recently and he asked me to pass along a big ol' Texas HOWDY to y'all. He's been really busy playing, writing and re-writing, and hasn't had anytime to be on trombone-l. He's going to be doing a Sousa Band tour soon (I believe Chris Waage has details), so maybe you can meet up with him in person. Mike Coyle From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:44:18 EST From: Joestanko@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: In need of gig bag shoulder straps Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm in need of replacement shoulder straps for a few of my gig bags. One is a generic Woodwind & Brasswind bag, and the other is an Edwards Dolly bag. I don't need exact replacements for either of these; if anyone has suggestions, something for sale (dealers included), or has the number of Dolly bags please email me directly. Thanks. Joe Stanko From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:51:41 -0600 From: "Berggren, Erik" To: "'Trombone-L'" Subject: RE: In need of gig bag shoulder straps Message-ID: <69B69101614FD3119D9F00104B9883E70E8EDD@bkxchusr01.bk.state.ks.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I'm probably too much of a tightwad, but I'd consider just going to a hardware store and buying some flat nylon rope to replace the straps. You can get it in a variety of widths to suit your purpose. I'm not sure what kind of hardware you need, or if you could just use hardware from your old straps. If you're not too particular, this avenue would probably be a lot quicker and cheaper. FWIW. -----Original Message----- From: Joestanko@aol.com [SMTP:Joestanko@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 10:44 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: In need of gig bag shoulder straps I'm in need of replacement shoulder straps for a few of my gig bags. One is a generic Woodwind & Brasswind bag, and the other is an Edwards Dolly bag. I don't need exact replacements for either of these; if anyone has suggestions, something for sale (dealers included), or has the number of Dolly bags please email me directly. Thanks. Joe Stanko From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:10:30 -0700 From: Roger Karren To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: In need of gig bag shoulder straps Message-ID: <6E031E06378BD311AEF20090273CE1BA3900C3@el-postino.s-vision.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Think Samsonite.... They make lots of Luggage with some VERY nice and sturdy straps that I'm sure can be found as replacement parts.... -----Original Message----- From: Joestanko@aol.com [mailto:Joestanko@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 9:44 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: In need of gig bag shoulder straps I'm in need of replacement shoulder straps for a few of my gig bags. One is a generic Woodwind & Brasswind bag, and the other is an Edwards Dolly bag. I don't need exact replacements for either of these; if anyone has suggestions, something for sale (dealers included), or has the number of Dolly bags please email me directly. Thanks. Joe Stanko From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 12:14:12 -0500 From: sabutin@mindspring.com To: "Arch Martin" Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu, jjjohnson-list@list.sirius.com Subject: Re: [JJ-LIST] Tuning in the hand slide Message-ID: <200003011714.MAA17938@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 10:33 AM 3/1/00 -0600, you wrote: > > I asked a good friend give me some information on tuning in the hand slide > and why manufacturers don'tÊmanufacture them that way anymore. Thought I > would share his explanation. > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Ê > Regarding the question of caliper tuning (or tuning in the trombone hand > slide), the manufacture of this design is much more involved than a > traditional, or more modern slide, and the action/ alignment, etc. is more > sensitive and difficult to > perfectÊ -Ê so, it's not done very often these days.Ê Many Conn models had > this, including some 32H's, 62H's, older Conn alto trombones, and many > others. > > The proposed benefit of this design was that there was no cylindrical > section in the main body of the horn, rather it was fully taperedÊ -Ê so the > scale was better and more even, since the tuning was in an already > cylindrical section (the hand slide) of the horn. > > With regard to the new bass trombone project and related prototypes, the > initial concern of those involved was that we would never be able to get the > playing characteristics as seamless as the > old 62H's while using a modern-style tuning set-up.Ê But we have discovered > ways to compensate (in the smaller side of the main body section) for the > previously-missing, or weaker, part of the wave reflection(s). > > Now, most are convinced that consistent playing characteristics can indeed > be attained without the use of caliper tuning, as there have now been > numerous performances exclusively on the 4th version(s) of the bass > prototype.Ê But there > were many models, and many companies, who utilized caliper tuning with great > success. > > ÊKeep in mind that this information is simplistically scratching the surface > with regard to design issues, and of course my opinion is simply that.Ê But > the results speak for themselves.Ê And quite frankly, while many players > have a fascination with the "classic" instruments, there is great reluctance > and/or skepticism when such things are reintroduced into the market.Ê (A > good > example is the Conn 38B "CONNstellation" trumpet, which UMI reproduced > during 1993 - > 1995 using the original toolingÊ -Ê few people were interested in purchasing > one, although the old horns continue to generate strong interest in the used > market.)Ê We simply can't develop and produce instruments that don't sell, > and the market has shown us that a modern design is required.Ê The goal is > to develop the best playing > instrument(s) possible, no matter the configuration, and our technology and > resources far exceed that of the 'old days'.Ê Although the best part of > working with Conn is that we 'do' have all those great old designs from > which to learnÊ - it's the best of both worlds, modern technology with an > incredible wealth of information from successful, legendary designs. > > Fred Powell > UMI, Brass Instrument Product Manager ===================== Arch... BUT... Although Conn is indeed producing some VERY fine instruments these days...and I have spent some time on the newest models, both at the factory and in stores...I have yet to play one that matches the sound and playing characteristics of several of my older Conn slide tuning horns. I've tried blindfold tests, blind listening tests...all the technological and design breakthroughs that Conn (and a number of other really good manufacturers...Edwards, Shires...) have made STILL don't produce a horn that is as good (for me...this is ALL subjective) as my 76H, 14H and 70H slide tuning horns are. Mu question remains...why, if they are willing to put the time and money into finding ways AROUND the drawbacks of bell tuning, won't they spend that money to produce and aggressively market some slide tuning instruments? I will guarantee you that the first really good manufacturer who produces a line of professional slide tuning horns that play as well as most of the good slide tuning horns of the '30s (w/the added technological and manufacturing breakthroughs of today) and stands behind them for a year or two or three will wipe up the competition. A brand new, modern horn w/better and lighter slides and tuning action that plays like the old Conn slide tuning horns...bass, tenor, any bore, any size...fuggedaboudit, no competition. I understand UMI's reluctance to invest in a chancy operation...this reluctance exists in all phases of business right now...and I believe people like Fred Powell and Dick Barth are doing all they can to produce a good product. Conn large bore trombones have improved enormously in the past several years, as have King small bores. Nevertheless, they're missing a boat that eventually (I hope) someone else will take. Later... S. P.S. I'm cross posting this to the trombone list as well, which is where this thread began in the first place....hope no one minds. From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 12:17:47 -0500 From: sabutin@mindspring.com To: Joestanko@aol.com Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: In need of gig bag shoulder straps Message-ID: <200003011718.MAA03359@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:44 AM 3/1/00 -0500, you wrote: >I'm in need of replacement shoulder straps for a few of my gig bags. One is a generic Woodwind & Brasswind bag, and the other is an Edwards Dolly bag. I don't need exact replacements for either of these; if anyone has suggestions, something for sale (dealers included), or has the number of Dolly bags please email me directly. >Thanks. >Joe Stanko ================== Dolly Bags URL S. From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 12:29:16 -0500 From: sabutin@mindspring.com To: eliztbone@nctimes.net Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Look at the prices Message-ID: <200003011729.MAA08398@smtp7.atl.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:29 AM 3/1/00 -0800, you wrote: >Hi Everybody, > >I was looking around ebay this morning. Check out the prices for >instruments in this ad. Great Huh?? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=271294931 > >Cya All Later!! > >Elisabeth > =================== Ahhh, but Elisabeth...beer was a nickel, a pound of sirloin a dime. Given inflation...last I looked, Bb beer was about $1.50, sirloin more like $6...a $20 no name student trombone would cost between $600 and $12,000. (OK, maybe beer wasn't a nickel by 1938, nor was sirloin that cheap... but you get the picture.) S. From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:36:11 -0500 (EST) From: Beth Lewis To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Pedagogy-- Concepts Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To all the teachers out there, I have an important question for y'all: If you have a student, who is a good player, that plays "footballs" (or "wah's") whenever called upon to play expressively, do you: A) tell the student about the technical shortcoming and work him/her to play without swells, concentrating solely on technique (not music); B) try to establish a better concept for bel canto style through musical examples (without even mentioning the habit); C) some sort of combination of the above? I've had teachers of all of the above teaching types (even some who didn't address the issue at all) and have my own opinions, but I'd like to hear what any of you may have to say about this. I'm especially interested in how those of you who would approach this from a more technical standpoint would go about this without the student getting the idea that the end goal is technical perfection (let alone really being able say something on the instrument). Also, I think that this problem is grounded in concepts (like legato) whose establishment was either totally neglected or done poorly (as often is the case with school "mass" music programs). Obviously the only way to fix that would be to establish new concepts through tons of listening and emulation, but I am curious as to how any teacher reading this establishes new (i.e., the student doesn't even know that the word "legato" exists) concepts within the private lesson context. For legato, for example, do you have the students first listen to vocalists, string players, etc. (before you even define the word to them), or do you "first" tell them "how", and then critique their execution of a concept that don't yet have? This topic may seem to be focused on beginners, but I think that it (having well-grounded concepts and the right goals from the start and taking care of those goals/consepts that weren't so well-grounded) applies to all of us and is truly reflected in ALL of the playing that we do. Thanks! Beth Lewis From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:36:04 EST From: MBennetts@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Method Book for Sale Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear List: Through buttheadedness, I ended up with a duplicate copy of Remington Warmup Studies for Trombone. My extra copy is still in its Amazon.com shrink wrap. If anybody would like to have it for the $12.50 price I paid (excl shipping) I would be happy to ship it to you and eat the shipping both ways, just to clear my conscience and liquidate the investment. Please e-mail me offline if interested. Why should you buy it from me instead of from a store or online? Convenience (it will be delivered to your door) without shipping charge or sales tax, at the click of your mouse. Mike Bennett, who probably still has music orders outstanding that have slipped his mind. From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:48:23 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Mouthpiece Exchange Update Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Over the past several months, the inventory available through The Mouthpiece Exchange has grown considerably. As of March 1, there are over 50 mouthpieces available, ranging from small tenor to bass trombone (as well as a few horn mouthpieces - don't ask ;-) The one major change I have made to the site over the past few months is my guarantee. I decided to keep it simple, rather than making it something that only lawyers could follow: 100% Satisfaction If you feel the mouthpiece is not as it was represented on The Mouthpeice Exchange, I will do whatever it takes to make it right, up to refunding your purchase price (less shipping) when I receive the mouthpiece back. If you have any mouthpieces you are not using and would like to sell, please contact me by e-mail. Over the next few months, I will be adding several new features. If you have any features you would like to see, please let me know! Chris Waage _____________________________________________ Chris Waage basstbn@waageworks.com Visit The Mouthpiece Exchange at http://www.waageworks.com _____________________________________________ From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 11:12:05 -0800 From: "Kathy Green" To: Subject: National Anthem Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My trombone choir is interested in performing the national anthem at our nearby racktrack (Emerald Downs) sometime this racing season. Does anyone already have an arrangement from 4 to 6 (or even 7) parts already in their possession? I can do it myself, but never wanting to reinvent the wheel.... This is a fine bunch of high school trombonists. At ensemble contest they performed the Biebl/Lumpkin arr. of "Ave Maria" and are the first alternates to state contest. Please e-mail directly (to avoid cluttering the list) and thanks in advance. Kathy Green "Should part-time band directors be called semi-conductors?" From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 15:13:04 -0500 From: owlnet@mindspring.com To: TROMBONE-L@LISTS.MISSOURI.EDU Subject: RE: Beversdorf mute Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000301151304.008c2cd0@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" (For prior messages in this thread, see below.) As a former graduate student of Dr. Thomas Beversdorf, I can offer a little more about the history of the Beversdorf mute. As mentioned in an earlier reply (below), the mutes were manufactured for a short while in the early 70's. The late Dr. Beversdorf was a composer/trombonist at Indiana University School of Music. The actual manufacture of these mutes (at least the early 'runs' of them that I helped with) was fun if not a little humorous. Beversdorf arranged to have these mutes made literally one at a time, by a company whose main business was manufacturing beer kegs and Indy racer wheels (I've long since forgotten the company's name). If you look closely at the 'business end' of the mute, you can actually see the influence of 'beer keg' technology! Some of Dr. B's students (including myself) assisted in cutting and shaping the corks, and applying corks and labels. I wish I knew more about how many of these mutes were made, by whom, and for how long. But the first ones were made with real pride, For Trombonists, By Trombonists (is there a brand there? FTBT?). Yes, I still have mine, and no, I won't sell it. Alan Coates alancoates@mindspring.com Atlanta, Georgia ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >I recently acquired a "Beversdorf" straight mute for my bass trombone, >made by a company called Cuivre. As far as I can tell, it is the >best mute I've ever played as far as tone, and range >(a straight mute that plays well in the pedals, who woulda thunk it?). >Anyone know anything about them? >Joshua >Named for/designed by (Tom?) Beversdorf, the Beversdorf mute IS an >excellent mute for Bass Trombone and large tenors. Only >problem is that they've been out of production for quite some time. >I have one that I bought 20+ years ago, it's in terrible shape, >but it still works. Sure wish I could find a new one. >As far as I know, it was only offered as a straight -- > >no cup mute was offered in the Beversdorf style. >I've heard a rumor that somebody at a university is trying >to duplicate one, sure wish I could find out if he's been >successful or not. >Earl Needham >Joshua, >I also have one of these mutes, which I use on bass trombone. >They were originally distributed by an accessory division of Conn. I >purchased mine in the early 1970's and like you, have found it to >be a great straight mute. I do not think they are being sold any >longer. Maybe some of the list members will have more information. >Denny Seifried ] Alan Coates, Systems Analyst ] alancoates@mindspring.com 404.527.0637 ] Visiting Nurse Health System, 133 Luckie ST NW, Atlanta, GA 30303 From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 13:06:40 -0800 From: "MARK LEWIS" To: Subject: Wycliff's Mutes Message-ID: <0003019519.AA951944449@ccgate.songs.sce.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" I am enjoying Wycliff Gordon's new CD, as recommended here on the list. Thank you! His mute work is very cool. I assume that many sounds are being made with a plunger over some sort of straight mute. Can anybody advise exactly what sort of short straight mute is inserted that will work under the plunger? Never seen a trombone pixie. How does he do that? thanks, Mark Lewis Oceanside, CA From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:31:36 EST From: Tmazzocchi@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Yeo mouthpiece Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit eB ay item 271155269 (Ends Mar-05-00 14:00:44 PST) - YAMAHA **DOUGLAS YEO** BASS TROMBONE MPC A great mouthpiece, I just do not play bass bone anymore!! Take care you all. TM From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 18:09:00 -0500 From: Jim Ryon To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Sovereign Trombone Message-ID: <38BDA30C.A25A3BE7@desupernet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone out there played the Besson Sovereign trombone with the Hagman valve. If so, what are your impressions. Jim Ryon From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 17:40:53 -0600 From: "Michael P. Coyle" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Brian Rose Message-ID: <200003012340.RAA01545@newton.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey folks, I have not seen Brian around for a while and am wondering if anyone here has heard from him and knows his new address? Thanks, Mike From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 17:53:30 +0000 From: Eric and Candice Swanson To: Joestanko@aol.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: In need of gig bag shoulder straps Message-ID: <38BD5917.9AD89857@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joestanko@aol.com wrote: > I'm in need of replacement shoulder straps for a few of my gig bags. Joe, I called Brasswind and had them order some Reunion Blues straps for me. I got just what I wanted and thought the price was reasonable. Eric Swanson From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 21:04:25 -0500 From: sabutin@mindspring.com To: dclason@nmsu.edu Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Acoustic analysis of overtomnes ?(was RE: Mouthpiece Buzzing) Message-ID: <200003020205.VAA21444@fb00.eng00.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:01 AM 2/25/00 -0700, you wrote: >Addressed to: sabutin@mindspring.com > trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu > >** Reply to note from sabutin@mindspring.com 02/25/00 10:08am -0500 > >I do statistics (including experimental design) for a living. I'd be >glad to assist by: > >1. Designing the protocol and doing the randomization; >2. Doing the spectral analyses and associated games. > >What I don't have is a studio with the equipment that would be needed. >Anybody have an anechoic chamber handy? > >Dennis >-- ========================== I'm up for it...most larger universities must have the right equipment. Any takers? S. From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 22:03:59 -0500 From: sabutin@mindspring.com To: ealewis@indiana.edu Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Pedagogy-- Concepts Message-ID: <200003020305.WAA02082@fb00.eng00.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:36 PM 3/1/00 -0500, you wrote: >To all the teachers out there, > >I have an important question for y'all: If you have a student, who is a >good player, that plays "footballs" (or "wah's") whenever >called upon to play expressively, do you: A) tell the student about the >technical shortcoming and work him/her to play without swells, >concentrating solely on technique (not music); B) try to establish a >better concept for bel canto style through musical examples (without even >mentioning the habit); C) some sort of combination of the above? ====================== Depends on the REASONS for the habit. If they thought that was how it was supposed to sound, then I'd show them otherwise, either by playing or by recorded examples. If they were doing it because of some fault in their physical production, I'd try to identify and change it...probably by making up an exercise that isolated the problem as much as possible. If, as would probably be the case, they either were unaware that they were doing it or thought they did it as a musical choice when really it was something imposed on them physically...I'd use both approaches. ================== > >I've had teachers of all of the above teaching types (even some who didn't >address the issue at all) and have my own opinions, but I'd like to hear >what any of you may have to say about this. I'm especially interested in >how those of you who would approach this from a more technical standpoint >would go about this without the student getting the idea that the end >goal is technical perfection (let alone really being able say something >on the instrument). =================== But the end result IS, to some degree, to at least approach technical perfection. Only then can the music really flow. ========================= > >Also, I think that this problem is grounded in concepts (like legato) whose >establishment was either totally neglected or done poorly (as often is >the case with school "mass" music programs). Obviously the only way to fix >that would be to establish new concepts through tons of listening and >emulation, but I am curious as to how any teacher reading this establishes >new (i.e., the student doesn't even know that the word "legato" exists) >concepts within the private lesson context. For legato, for >example, do you have the students first listen to vocalists, string >players, etc. (before you even define the word to them), or do you "first" >tell them "how", and then critique their execution of a concept that >don't yet have? This topic may seem to be focused on beginners, but I >think that it (having well-grounded concepts and the right goals from the >start and taking care of those goals/consepts that weren't so >well-grounded) applies to all of us and is truly reflected in ALL of the >playing that we do. ================ As far as "legato" in concerned,I'd show them the difference, then find ways for them to emulate it. S. > >Thanks! >Beth Lewis > From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:27 2000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 22:29:14 -0500 From: Dave Burch To: kgreen@kent.wednet.edu Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: National Anthem Message-ID: <38BDE00A.FFB0206F@fuse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit May I assume you mean the national anthem of the the USA? Brad Howland's enterprise, Lassus Publications, publishes Rodney Miller's quartet arrangement of 'The Star Spangled Banner', as well as 'The Star and Stripes Forever' (with bass trombone playing the piccolo solo!). Brad re-voiced these quartet arrangements for my trio last year, and these may be available as well. His catalogue is at http://www.musicforbrass.com/lassus.html. Kathy Green wrote: > > My trombone choir is interested in performing the national anthem at our nearby racktrack (Emerald Downs) sometime this racing season. Does anyone already have an arrangement from 4 to 6 (or even 7) parts already in their possession? I can do it myself, but never wanting to reinvent the wheel.... > > This is a fine bunch of high school trombonists. At ensemble contest they performed the Biebl/Lumpkin arr. of "Ave Maria" and are the first alternates to state contest. > > Please e-mail directly (to avoid cluttering the list) and thanks in advance. > > Kathy Green > > "Should part-time band directors be called semi-conductors?" -- @%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@ ------ Dave Burch ------ ---- Hamilton, Ohio ----- -- daveburch@fuse.net -- Church and community trombonist, baritone hornist, recorderist, choral singer After Hours Big Band Cincinnati Brass Band at http://cincinnati.brassband.com Hamilton-Fairfield Symphony Chorale (and sometimes Orchestra) at http://www.hfso.org Senior programmer/analyst, Mercy Health Partners @%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@ From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:28 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:35:20 -0500 From: "John Lavoie" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Method Book for Sale Message-ID: <0D03F98F4DFE3D11DACD00807CFD5BDB@webmaster.Trombonegod.zzn.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: MBennetts@aol.com Why should you buy it from me instead of from a store or online? ÊConvenience (it will be delivered to your door) without shipping charge or sales tax, at the click of your mouse. Hey, doesn't Amazon already have a patent on that? ;-) JOhn John Lavoie Sophomore, Ithaca College http://members.tripod.com/Trombone8vb http://members.tripod.com/Trombone8vb. I appologize for the following ad. ___________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-Based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:28 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 21:46:50 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L , brass@quartz.gly.fsu.edu Subject: Online Trombone Journal E-News #5 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Online Trombone Journal ENews #5 - March 1, 2000 Inside This Issue: (it's a biggie!!) > From the Webmaster > New Reviews > International Orchestral Trombone Sections > New Discussion Forum - Discuss & Discover > Polls v.2 > Sherlock Plugin for Mac OS > News, News, News ________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe: enews-unsubscribe@trombone.org To send a message to the OTJ: otj@trombone.org Online Trombone Journal Home: http://www.trombone.org/ ________________________________________________________ .....::: From the Webmaster ::..... I've received a few (well, a lot) of email asking where the OTJ has been the past few months. You can see from this E-News that we have indeed been busy! 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Optimized for OS 9, the OTJ Sherlock Plugin is available at: http://ftp.trombone.org/ftp/OTJSite.src.hqx .....::: News, News, News ::...... It's that time of year - lots of things going on! Be sure to share your audition, vacancy, and event news with us. Visit the OTJ News & Events section at: http://www.trombone.org/news_events/ ________________________________________________________ Now - go make music. Richard Human, Jr. Founder and Webmaster Online Trombone Journal http://www.trombone.org/ otj@trombone.org From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:28 2000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 22:53:18 -0500 From: Dave Burch To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Single-tonguing speed limit Message-ID: <38BDE5AD.163DB69A@fuse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, all. I'm working on a solo piece that goes fairly fast and requires many clean and crisp 16th-16th-8th note patterns. I'm taking it at a quick clip, quarter note = 152, with a metronome, and I'm finding that I can't *quite* single tongue fast enough to keep up with these 16th note pairs. A tempo of 152 means 608 16th notes per minute, or 10 per second, which sounds pretty fast to me. My question: How fast can an accomplished player single-tongue this pattern? I'm sure it varies among players, but what is the range one should expect reasonably to achieve? Bottom line: Would most fine players be able to single tongue this pattern at this tempo, or would most double-tongue it? Thanks. -- @%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@ ------ Dave Burch ------ ---- Hamilton, Ohio ----- -- daveburch@fuse.net -- Church and community trombonist, baritone hornist, recorderist, choral singer After Hours Big Band Cincinnati Brass Band at http://cincinnati.brassband.com Hamilton-Fairfield Symphony Chorale (and sometimes Orchestra) at http://www.hfso.org Senior programmer/analyst, Mercy Health Partners @%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@ From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:28 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 21:57:17 -0600 (CST) From: Daniel Maslowski To: Dave Burch Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Single-tonguing speed limit Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This piece wouldn't happen to be the last movement of the Lars-Erik Larsson Concertino, would it? ;-) -Dan Maslowski On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Dave Burch wrote: > Hello, all. I'm working on a solo piece that goes fairly fast and > requires many clean and crisp 16th-16th-8th note patterns. I'm taking it > at a quick clip, quarter note = 152, with a metronome, and I'm finding > that I can't *quite* single tongue fast enough to keep up with these > 16th note pairs. A tempo of 152 means 608 16th notes per minute, or 10 > per second, which sounds pretty fast to me. My question: How fast can an > accomplished player single-tongue this pattern? I'm sure it varies among > players, but what is the range one should expect reasonably to achieve? > > Bottom line: Would most fine players be able to single tongue this > pattern at this tempo, or would most double-tongue it? > > Thanks. > -- > > @%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@ > > ------ Dave Burch ------ > ---- Hamilton, Ohio ----- > -- daveburch@fuse.net -- > > Church and community trombonist, baritone hornist, > recorderist, choral singer > > After Hours Big Band > Cincinnati Brass Band > at http://cincinnati.brassband.com > Hamilton-Fairfield Symphony Chorale (and sometimes Orchestra) > at http://www.hfso.org > > Senior programmer/analyst, Mercy Health Partners > > @%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@ > From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:28 2000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 23:25:15 -0500 From: Dave Burch To: Daniel Maslowski Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Single-tonguing speed limit Message-ID: <38BDED2B.B4A7BED7@fuse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nice try, Dan. It's the last movement, "Allegro giocoso", of Eric Ewazen's tenor trombone sonata. Daniel Maslowski wrote: > > This piece wouldn't happen to be the last movement of the Lars-Erik > Larsson Concertino, would it? ;-) > -Dan Maslowski > > On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Dave Burch wrote: > > > Hello, all. I'm working on a solo piece that goes fairly fast and > > requires many clean and crisp 16th-16th-8th note patterns. I'm taking it > > at a quick clip, quarter note = 152, with a metronome, and I'm finding > > that I can't *quite* single tongue fast enough to keep up with these > > 16th note pairs. A tempo of 152 means 608 16th notes per minute, or 10 > > per second, which sounds pretty fast to me. My question: How fast can an > > accomplished player single-tongue this pattern? I'm sure it varies among > > players, but what is the range one should expect reasonably to achieve? > > > > Bottom line: Would most fine players be able to single tongue this > > pattern at this tempo, or would most double-tongue it? > > > > Thanks. From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:28 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:29:31 -0500 From: George Apgar To: Trombone-l Subject: Ebay and other on line sources of instruments. Message-ID: <200003012329_MC2-9B69-48AF@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have bought two horns on Ebay and one more from Classifieds2000.com. I haven't heard C2000 mentioned in this thread, but it is worth a look once in a while. My first purchase was a 1951 Conn 4H which cost me around $420 and another $150 to repair and refinish. Its now a great looking and playing instrument and I have around $600 in it including shipping. The second was a 1953, I think, Olds Superstar .509 bore w/F. It was nickle plated and needed no work. $325! Plays great. Looks OK. My last purchase was from C2000, a 20 year old 3B with great sound. The slide was a little sticky when I got it, but with a good cleaning and some playing time, is now wonderful. I've done some sniping to get things on Ebay, but think that proxy bidding and patience is less damaging to your nerves. You do need a good portion of luck regarding the condition of what you have bought. The bell of the 4H was creased, and the slide needed work, but the horn is great now, and didn't cost that much. George Apgar From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:28 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 01:16:24 EST From: SFTrombone@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: In need of gig bag shoulder straps Message-ID: <97.27ff3c8.25ef6138@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 03/01/2000 8:45:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, Joestanko@aol.com writes: > I'm in need of replacement shoulder straps for a few of my gig bags. One is a > generic Woodwind & Brasswind bag, and the other is an Edwards Dolly bag. I > don't need exact replacements for either of these; if anyone has suggestions, > something for sale (dealers included), or has the number of Dolly bags please > email me directly. > Thanks. You might try an outdoor gear store such as REI, which has similar straps, or the Reunion Blues strap is very well done, and has strong metal clips at both ends. Check your local dealer, or I can order one for you. Steve Ferguson From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:28 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:50:00 -0000 From: "Dynamic Music Publications" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: In need of gig bag shoulder straps Message-ID: <003101bf841b$f94fc040$3065063e@p8d3q> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: > I'm in need of replacement shoulder straps for a few of my gig bags. One is a generic Woodwind & Brasswind bag, and the other is an Edwards Dolly bag. I don't need exact replacements for either of these; if anyone has suggestions, something for sale (dealers included), or has the number of Dolly bags please email me directly. > Thanks. > Joe Stanko One of the owners of the leading brass instrument stores here in Glasgow used to work in a car factory before it was closed down. With this in mind, when you examine the gig bags that they manufacture, you realise that the straps are actually seat belts!! Cheers, Dave Dave Hankin, Hamilton, Scotland - DYNAMIC MUSIC PUBLICATIONS Specialists in Trombone Ensemble Music - www.btinternet.com/~dynamicmusic Adrian Drover/Dave Hankin Big Band - www.btinternet.com/~dynamicmusic/bigband From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:28 2000 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 00:20:47 +1300 From: Jonathan Harker To: jimryon@desupernet.net, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Sovereign Trombone Message-ID: <4.1.20000303000638.00c89920@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:09 pm 02-03-00, Jim Ryon wrote: >Has anyone out there played the Besson Sovereign trombone with the >Hagman valve. If so, what are your impressions. > >Jim Ryon I've played it! In New Zealand, brass bands tend to be able to get bulk deals from Besson (Boosey & Hawkes) when buying band gear, so a number of bands end up with the Besson trombones. A guy from the Fosters band in Auckland a year or two back (actually it's not Fosters anymore... that's another thing, bands here tend to change sponsors annually!) had the band instrument, and I had a toot on it for a little bit. It's actually very nice through the valves, but being a Besson the slide wasn't up to much. It also didn't quite have the same response and agility in the sound or the sheer depth of tone that you get with a Shires, Edwards or Bach. The best feature of the Besson horn was the Hagmann valve set up. These are really good valves, but if you were keen on them I would suggest getting them installed on your favourite Bach, Shires or Edwards rather than the Besson since the sound and slide on the Besson aren't as good in my experience. Yours in ramblingness, Johnno. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ____/ Jonathan Harker (____\____ Email: jonathan.harker@paradise.net.nz o||_____) ICQ: 30647378 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From ???@??? Thu Mar 02 08:05:28 2000 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 06:54:16 EST From: Zemry@aol.com To: TROMBONE-L@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Doug Yeo and Cornerstone Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeo!! Doug: I have saved up about $1.50 to help defray my purchase of Cornerstone. How much more do I need to save? When is it coming out? I have listened to your mp3 clips and I am impressed. Let us know when we can make this purchase and line your pockets with cash!! Take care.... Richard Z. Johnson, Jr.