TROMBONE-L Digest 1591 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Mahler 5...stuff, questions.... by Douglas Yeo 2) Re: Nervousness by Peter Soukup 3) Re: Daily Routines by sabutin@mindspring.com 4) Re: Playing trombone lowers intelligence? by SyphX52@aol.com 5) Re: Playing trombone lowers intelligence? by Matthew Ballance 6) Re: Celebration by "Dynamic Music Publications" 7) Re: Playing trombone lowers intelligence? by "Dynamic Music Publications" 8) Re: Mahler 5...stuff, questions.... by Jay Heltzer 9) Re: Maggio? by Douglas Yeo 10) Re: SALARIES by Douglas Yeo 11) Re: Playing trombone lowers intelligence? by "Adrian Drover" 12) Re: Celebration by "Adrian Drover" 13) Re: Maggio? by "Michael W. Millar & Dava S. Millar" 14) Salaries by Asher Jeffrey Haines 15) Bach 42B versus King 4B? by Zemry@aol.com 16) Re: Mahler 5...stuff, questions.... by "Art Triggs" 17) Common Email and ICQ Abbreviations Update by "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" 18) Re: Help! Valve string broke by Eric and Candice Swanson 19) Re: Mahler 5...stuff, questions.... by Eric and Candice Swanson 20) Re: Bach 42B versus King 4B? by sabutin@mindspring.com 21) Re: Bach 42B versus King 4B? by Eric and Candice Swanson 22) Re: Practice With the Experts by hal-starkey@webtv.net (Hal Starkey) From ???@??? Mon Feb 07 08:10:49 2000 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 07:13:42 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Mahler 5...stuff, questions.... Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 6:17 PM -0800 2/5/00, Elisabeth Frederick wrote: >Hello Everybody.... > >Well, here it is, I'm going to be playing Mahler 5 starting tomorrow with the >symphony I play in, yippee!! Good for you, a wonderful piece. > >1. German was/is not my language of choice. I know from previous postings that >Mahler is very specific about what he wants, are there any web sties that have >this information that anyone knows off hand for the german directions? Purchase the little, useful booklet, "A Brass Player's Guide to the German Instructions Contained in the Symphonies of Mahler" by Charles Gorham, published by PP Music, PO Box 10550, Portland, ME 04104, USA (perhaps available at online dealers like www.hickeys.com, perhaps not). Very useful and inexpensive (around $5.00). > >2. I belive that my teacher told me that the direction mit dŠmpf. calls for a >mute. A metal straight? The one with the rounded bottom was my >assumption, am I right? My guess is that Mahler would have heard wooden mutes in his time, but most orchestras use metal straight mutes for Mahler today. -Douglas Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** From ???@??? Mon Feb 07 08:10:49 2000 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 07:11:47 -0600 From: Peter Soukup To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Nervousness Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 2/5/00 9:34 AM, JennWhaa@aol.com at JennWhaa@aol.com wrote: > I wanted to throw a question out there. I get super nervous in situations > where I know I have to impress people. It can get to the point where I am > embarrassed to play. I end up playing under my potential. I just wanted to > know how others have dealt with feelings like this. > > Thanks, > Jen Jen and listers, Has the list ever discussed the book, "The Inner Game of Music"? I recommend it for any musician. It's by Barry Green, with Tim Galway, who wrote the famous book, "The Inner Game of Tennis". If this has come up before, sorry, but if not, get it and read it, you'll thank the list for the suggestion... Pete Soukup psoukup@mindspring.com Grand Avenue Big Band The Moonlighters The Houndz St. Andrew's Brass Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble DuPage Symphony Orchestra (alternate) West Suburban Symphony (alternate) From ???@??? Mon Feb 07 08:10:49 2000 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 08:32:12 -0500 From: sabutin@mindspring.com To: ealewis@indiana.edu Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Daily Routines Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:18 PM 2/4/00 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all, > >This mostly directed to professional players and teachers, but I was >wondering what are some exercizes or etudes that you make it a point to do >each day? Some people call these a "warm-up," but what I mean are >techniques that you have practiced day after day for years, whether you >are required to have them down or not. ================================ Embouchure studies. Embouchure studies. Embouchure studies. Embouchure studies. All kinds. Every day. Long tones, harmonics, flexibilities, slow, connected long and short scales, fast scales, range studies (both directions). Remington, Schlossberg, Caruso (if you can find someone who REALLY studied w/Carmine Caruso long enough to understand what he was trying to teach...the books don't cut it, in my opinion). I have played with literally hundreds of professional brass players...some could play very high, some very low, some very loud, some very soft, some could play fast, some had a great legato...but almost ALL of them had a good, solid embouchure, and with very few exceptions, all of them took care of that embouchure every day w/various exercises. The musculature necessary to play a brass instrument is extraordinarily strange...not many humans in the history of our evolution have developed the muscles around their mouth to such a great degree, and as a result we are not genetically programmed to have great strength in that region. W/the exception of wind players (and possibly professional smilers like MCs, politicians and other professional boot lickers), NO ONE has EVER gotten an evolutionary boost from having muscles around their mouth that could bench press a locomotive. If you want such a thing, you have to exercise to get it, and exercise to properly maintain it. 'Tain't natural... Sometimes, someone's natural proclivities combined w/a performance/rehearsal schedule will be sufficient in this regard, but rarely. Mostly, y'gotta dig it out by yourself. Every day. Later... S. ---snip--- From ???@??? Mon Feb 07 08:10:49 2000 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 10:10:33 EST From: SyphX52@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Playing trombone lowers intelligence? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At my high school we are pretty smart. In my Jazz Band, my junior bass bone is in A.P. Euro Hist (which is a senior class), my freshman third bone is in advanced algerbra (a junior class) and my junior second bone has the creditals to substitute for all of the math class!! I am in A.P. lunch (an eating course) and A.P. study hall (a pretty tough class even though we don't get grades). Thats my experience. From ???@??? Mon Feb 07 08:10:49 2000 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 10:30:19 -0500 From: Matthew Ballance To: Trombone List Post Subject: Re: Playing trombone lowers intelligence? Message-ID: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I know I got dumber when I quit playing trombone for a while, but I have fixed that and my grades went up when I started playing again. Maybe unrelated, but I'm gonna keep playing anyway. Matt From ???@??? Mon Feb 07 08:10:49 2000 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 16:26:29 -0000 From: "Dynamic Music Publications" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Celebration Message-ID: <006101bf70c0$c44744e0$bc9a01d5@p8d3q> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adrian wrote: >> If you're quick, you might just make it over to Dynamic Music for free >> Guinness and Haggis in celebration of Dave Hankin's birthday. Born Feb.4th. >> 1899, he is now in his 3rd century, which probably explains how he is able >> to achieve such an amazing sackbut sound on the trombone. >> Happy Birthday Dave. >> Scheersh, Hic, A. and Earl replied: >I'd love to be there, but it's too far to drive, and my windshield wipers >wouldn't last that long, anyway! >Happy Birthday from me, too, Dave! So what's all this about me having a birthday last Friday? Get it right guys it's NEXT Friday (11th)! That gives you, Earl, time to swim across. There's going to be a party at Adrian's all week, so pop in any time - the best time would be about 4 o'clock in the morning! Oh yeh, directions. Once you get to Scotland you take the third street on the left - it's number 41. As for my age? Put it this way, this week I'm in my 30's, next week I'll be in my 40's - at this rate I doubt I'll be alive at the end of the month! I've been a bit of a lurker on the list recently - I've been up to my proverbial in helping to put a Tommy Dorsey pad together for Gordon Campbell (lead trombonist with the BBC Big Band). Lots of transcribing and type setting to do. Yesterday, I finished my part of the venture - so now back to writing REAL music!!! Thanks for the wishes, Dave Dave Hankin, Hamilton, Scotland - DYNAMIC MUSIC PUBLICATIONS Specialists in Trombone Ensemble Music - www.btinternet.com/~dynamicmusic Adrian Drover/Dave Hankin Big Band - www.btinternet.com/~dynamicmusic/bigband From ???@??? Mon Feb 07 08:10:49 2000 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 16:36:13 -0000 From: "Dynamic Music Publications" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Playing trombone lowers intelligence? Message-ID: <006201bf70c0$c6467040$bc9a01d5@p8d3q> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rhiannon asked: > Question.. Why are low brass players alway considered drunkards? We get a lot > of jokes about being boozers. Well, don't you know? Drinking alcohol actually makes you more intelligent! Here's why:- It is a well known fact that a herd of wild animals is only as fast as it's slowest and weakest member. It is this slowest and weakest animal that is always picked out by any potential predators. This way the herd remains strong and fit. Similarly, it is also a well known fact that alcohol kills brain cells. Since it too must kill the weakest ones, it leaves only the stronger and fitter brain cells, hence making you more intelligent. I am a trombonist, I drink, I am in Mensa. QED Hic! Dave Dave Hankin, Hamilton, Scotland - DYNAMIC MUSIC PUBLICATIONS Specialists in Trombone Ensemble Music - www.btinternet.com/~dynamicmusic Adrian Drover/Dave Hankin Big Band - www.btinternet.com/~dynamicmusic/bigband From ???@??? Mon Feb 07 08:10:49 2000 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 11:47:47 -0600 From: Jay Heltzer To: eliztbone@nctimes.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Mahler 5...stuff, questions.... Message-ID: <389DB3C1.E1482B6C@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Elisabeth Frederick wrote: > 1. German was/is not my language of choice. I know from previous postings that > Mahler is very specific about what he wants, are there any web sties that have > this information that anyone knows off hand for the german directions? Two suggestions: First, a German-English dictionary (along with French and Itallian, for that matter) should be in your book collection. You don't need to know actual german to get a little insight. Second, either in your collection or at your schools music library the Spring 1990 ITA (vol.18, #2) has "A glossary of German Terms and Phrases found in the trombone parts of Mahler's Symphonies"by John Vance. Extremely helpful!!! > 2. I belive that my teacher told me that the direction mit dŠmpf. calls for a > mute. A metal straight? The one with the rounded bottom was my assumption, am I > right? Yes a straight mute. > 3. I bought a CD recording of the Mahler, I borrowed a Chicago Symphony recording > from school with the MONSTER low brass section; Jay Friedman, Frank Crisafulli, > Edward Kleinhammer, James Gilbertsen, and Arnold Jacobs....but I bought a New > York Phil. recording with Leonard Bernstein recorded in Jan 1963.....anyone of > note on the recording?? I would assume so, but there isn't a list of who is in > the orchestra. I don't know that recording, but the one I love to reccomend is NY Phil with Zubin Mehta conducting. I believe it has the current section of Alessi, Finlayson, Harwood and Deck playing. One of the few recordings where the trombones play the ensemble passages TOGETHER! Also one of the angriest Mahler recordings i've heard, and that is a plus. In addition, Phil Smith is dynamic doing the Prin. Trumpet honors! Enjoy the symphony you lucky dog!!! The orchestra I play with (Northbrook Symphony) is doing Mahler on our next concert. Mahler #4. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr! Great music but throw the dogs a bone!!! Jay Heltzer From ???@??? Mon Feb 07 08:10:49 2000 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 14:29:48 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Maggio? Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 9:06 PM -0800 2/5/00, James Blazejack wrote: >I am new to this group, so please forgive me if this has already >been discussed. Is anyone out there familiar with the Maggio system >for brass? What do you think of it? Maggio, Reinhardt, "Double high C in 38 weeks" - controversial characters in a universe of controversial characters. Some swear by them and think they have the answers to life, others think they are charlatans and see the emperor has no clothes. Like most "systems" Maggio's can't be "explained" - it needs to be studied, looked at, heard, seen, tried. I don't know much about it. And my opinion about something I don't know much about isn't worth a darn. But I DO have a book about Maggio's system: Original Louis Maggio System for Brass by Carlton Macbeth pub. Aven Corporation, 4219 W. Olive Street 2222, Burbank, CA 91505 800/423-2056 $12.00 (pocket edition) Apparently there are also other books including "Introduction to the Maggio System," "The Classic Maggio System for Brass" and "International Maggio System for Brass" (in English, French, German and Japanese). I have NO idea where I got the book or if the address and phone is still current. Exercises, text and photos (including the famous one of the chimp who Maggio says has the "perfect" embouchure). Maggio. Some love him, some hate him. Like most teachers.... Your results may vary. -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** From ???@??? Mon Feb 07 08:10:49 2000 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 14:59:21 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: SALARIES Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 5:42 PM -0600 2/5/00, Adolphus Sprott wrote: >Someone mentioned that the 5 or 6 major orchestras pay their players pretty >well. Being in high school, I don't really know what that means. I think >the Houston Symphony has an average salary of about $75000, but what about >the world class orchestras like NY, Philly, Boston, and Chicago? Are they >making that much more than everyone else? If you're a member of the American Federation of Musicians union - AFM - (or know someone who is and can get one for you), you can request a free copy of a pamphlet they publish every year called "Wage Scales and Conditions in the Symphony Orchestra" which is published for major (ICSOM) and regional orchestras. It gives information in every aspect of jobs in American/Canadian Orchestras you can imagine including salary, pension, health benefits, vacation, working conditions, etc, about 70 categories I believe. It's all a matter of public record. The information is also available on the AFM website (to AFM members only) at http://www.afm.org You must register as an AFM member and then go to the "Member's only" area, then to "Symphonic Services" and then to the "Wage Charts". By the way, while there, you can also download trade agreements of AFM covered orchestras and plenty of other interesting things. Your dues at work.... -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** From ???@??? Mon Feb 07 08:10:49 2000 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:40:47 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Playing trombone lowers intelligence? Message-ID: <004d01bf70e3$0d9ad040$e18901d5@v4v3j2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Dynamic Music Publications To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 4:36 PM Subject: Re: Playing trombone lowers intelligence? > I am a trombonist, I drink, I am in Mensa. Oh Mensa, I thought you said Dementia. A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk http://www.adios.co.uk From ???@??? Mon Feb 07 08:10:49 2000 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:40:34 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Celebration Message-ID: <004c01bf70e3$0c1a4ac0$e18901d5@v4v3j2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Dynamic Music Publications To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 4:26 PM Subject: Re: Celebration > So what's all this about me having a birthday last Friday? Get it right guys > it's NEXT Friday (11th)! That gives you, Earl, time to swim across. How the heck can you swim from New Mexico to Scotland? Come on, admit it, you're getting old. Or is it just the trombone playing that's causing your loss of brain cells? > There's > going to be a party at Adrian's all week, so pop in any time - the best time > would be about 4 o'clock in the morning! Oh yeh, directions. Once you get to > Scotland you take the third street on the left - it's number 41. Can I come? A. Adrian Drover (ADIOS Scotland) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk http://www.adios.co.uk From ???@??? Mon Feb 07 08:10:49 2000 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 14:27:46 -0800 From: "Michael W. Millar & Dava S. Millar" To: jamesblazejack@earthlink.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Maggio? Message-ID: <389DF562.82C59239@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have never seen any of the "Maggio System" books. What I do know is that Louis Maggio was a greatly respected teacher in Los Angeles. In the interviews that I've conducted with Los Angeles studio brass players over the last couple of years, his name is frequently mentioned. Some excerpts: Lloyd Ulyate: LU: Louis Maggio was a little Italian guy about this high, and he'd been with the Minneapolis Symphony, played third trumpet, he was a teacher. When Rafael Mendez, years ago, fell down and hurt his lip and he couldn't play for a year, he came out and Louis Maggio got him playing again. So, Joe Howard studied with him, Herbie Harper, Vince De Rosa, myself, I'm sure there are more. And he was a wonderful guy and a wonderful teacher but his approach wasn't exactly technical, it was just to establish a great sound and his object was to make you play so you sounded even in all registers. And his exercises were very strenuous. MM: What you're describing there is what Roy Main ran me through when I first came to town, and Roy was one of his students. LU: Exactly. He was the guy that had you playing up as high as you'd go, up to double B-flats; he'd say "Next time, try the D." Then the low register, down to the double pedals ... and the idea was that if you could play a double B-flat or a D, maybe a high F won't be such a high note. But what he did for me was he opened up my sound and also got me to satisfy myself that all the registers were the same, it was the same sound. I think, except for the start that Earle Hagen gave me, he was the biggest influence on my playing. Uan Rasey: UR: Louis Maggio became my teacher. For me he was just great. He taught much differently to me than any other people that he had.... I had a good register, I could play double-C when I was 15 years of age... He wrote out the orchestral parts.... some of the Mahler symphonies, Stravinsky, a lot of Schumann, Bartok, especially Beethoven, he liked that, and Mozart. For years he was my teacher. Roy Main: RM: When I was in college, I studied with Louis Maggio.... And everybody studied [with him].... After my lesson I used to meet name players.... [Maggio was a trumpet player] but he never played. He was a little old man, and he had a two-room studio on Pico Boulevard.... He taught and lived there.... I never played out of any books with him at all. Everything with him was just air and blowing and sound... the better players used to study with Louis Maggio.... I think Louis was the best thing for me just getting sound.... There've been several books out---The Louis Maggio System. Claude Gordon's whole books were built on Louis Maggio. MM: Was he a student of Maggio? RM: Yes... Claude turned out a lot of professionals. It should be noted that Roy Main and Uan Rasey were teachers to a great number of successful players. I cannot say anything about the "Maggio System" books or about their effectiveness. However, Maggio's legacy as a teacher is absolutely phenomenal. Not only did he teach a whole generation of brass players in LA, but his students were the teachers of the next generations. Mike Millar From ???@??? Mon Feb 07 08:10:49 2000 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 18:17:23 -0500 (EST) From: Asher Jeffrey Haines To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Salaries Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You can look at recent base pay contract summaries for many major orchestras at http://www.icsom.org/links/bulletins.html -Asher From ???@??? Mon Feb 07 08:10:49 2000 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:30:26 EST From: Zemry@aol.com To: TROMBONE-L@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Bach 42B versus King 4B? Message-ID: <33.f7eaa3.25cf7a32@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I play a Bach 42B with a 5G gold mouthpiece. The guy who sits next to me in our community concert plays a King 4B with a Bach 6/5 AL mouthpiece. He has a lot brassier sound than I do...and one that I envy at times. Could it be a product of our different set-ups? From ???@??? Mon Feb 07 08:10:49 2000 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 21:28:55 -0500 From: "Art Triggs" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Mahler 5...stuff, questions.... Message-ID: <00a201bf7113$162c9100$f6a315ac@bestweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The '63 NY phil trombones were Ed Herman Principal, Ed Erwin , Asssisant, either Lweiis Van Haney or Gil Cohen 2nd, Allen Ostrander Bass, and Joe Novotny on tuba. mit dampf doe s mean with mute, most likely you will see various metal - (aluminum&copper or plain aluminum ) - mutes in use, try to match what the section prefers, unless the Conductor requests something specific. Have fun. Art Triggs ----- Original Message ----- From: Elisabeth Frederick To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 9:17 PM Subject: Mahler 5...stuff, questions.... > Hello Everybody.... > > Well, here it is, I'm going to be playing Mahler 5 starting tomorrow with the > symphony I play in, yippee!! I have a really cool part. I have a couple > questions. > > 1. German was/is not my language of choice. I know from previous postings that > Mahler is very specific about what he wants, are there any web sties that have > this information that anyone knows off hand for the german directions? > > 2. I belive that my teacher told me that the direction mit dŠmpf. calls for a > mute. A metal straight? The one with the rounded bottom was my assumption, am I > right? > > 3. I bought a CD recording of the Mahler, I borrowed a Chicago Symphony recording > from school with the MONSTER low brass section; Jay Friedman, Frank Crisafulli, > Edward Kleinhammer, James Gilbertsen, and Arnold Jacobs....but I bought a New > York Phil. recording with Leonard Bernstein recorded in Jan 1963.....anyone of > note on the recording?? I would assume so, but there isn't a list of who is in > the orchestra. > > Off to practice!! > > Elisabeth > > > From ???@??? Mon Feb 07 08:10:49 2000 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 21:06:25 -0600 From: "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" To: "'Trombone-L'" Subject: Common Email and ICQ Abbreviations Update Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain It has been a little slow on the Trombone-L of late in regard to new abbreviations! You know, our students and younger players are developing their very own language right under all of our noses as the web continues on in its own development. I know that those of you teaching are having to deal with new words and abbreviations from the younger generation every day. I only hope that this post will clarify some of the ICQ messages flowing past your desktop. For those of you new to the list I will post the old abbreviations list, but would like to share with all of you some new abbreviations FWIW.! Credit due to Tribal Voice's Ultimate Chat Dictionary c/o PC Magazine February 2000 Issue :-8 BRBIGGAT- Be right back I gotta get a towel IHARIMT- I have a rumbly in my tummy JCVD- Jean Claude Van Damme (I hope we don't see this one too much) MNC- Mother nature calls RMH- Real Manly Hug YYSSW- Yeah yeah, sure sure, Whatever Old List: AFILAFW- All's fair in love and flame wars BERP- Buzz Extension Resistance Piece BTDT- Been there, done that BTW - By The Way ETW- Eastern Trombone Workshop FWIW- For what its worth FYI - For Your Information IMO- In my opinion IMHO- In my humble opinion IMNSHO - In My Not So Humble Opinion ITA - International Trombone Association ITF- International Trombone Festival LOL - Laughing Out Loud MP or mp - mouthpiece OBO- Or best offer OSWPTB- Oh who's playing the bagpipes? OTOH- On the other hand ROFL - Rolling On the Floor Laughing RTFM - Read The Friggin' Manual (polite version) WW&BW- Woodwind & The Brasswind WWBW- Woodwind & The Brasswind YMMV- Your mileage may vary Rick Marple San Antonio TX From ???@??? Mon Feb 07 08:10:49 2000 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 23:46:40 +0000 From: Eric and Candice Swanson To: AlRobnett@aol.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Help! Valve string broke Message-ID: <389E07DC.B14E7123@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AlRobnett@aol.com wrote: > Is there likely to be a local source for an excellent replacement material, > or should I drive the 20 miles to the nearest music store with a brass repair > shop? > > What is the best way to avoid a string break during a gig? Do you make a > preemptive replacement on a scheduled basis? Is it adequate to regularly > inspect for signs that the string is fraying? Allen, What I use I believe is 60 lb. (the label fell off years ago) braided trolling line. Take a piece of your old string in for comparison just in case. A good fishing tackle shop will have something that will work. Replace it once a year, more often if it looks worn. You should be replacing the valve bumpers every year anyway, so do it all at the same time. Eric Swanson From ???@??? Mon Feb 07 08:10:49 2000 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 00:00:14 +0000 From: Eric and Candice Swanson To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Mahler 5...stuff, questions.... Message-ID: <389E0B09.29CAEB79@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Elisabeth Frederick wrote: > 1. German was/is not my language of choice. I know from previous postings that > Mahler is very specific about what he wants, are there any web sties that have > this information that anyone knows off hand for the german directions? Elisabeth, Go get a good paperback English/German dictionary. You will be using it a lot in the future, might as well buy it now. Just wait 'til you play Wagner, you'll practically have to look up every word. PS, Get an Italian dictionary too while you're there. > Eric Swanson From ???@??? Mon Feb 07 08:10:49 2000 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 01:08:09 -0500 From: sabutin@mindspring.com To: Zemry@aol.com Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Bach 42B versus King 4B? Message-ID: <200002070609.BAA28215@fb01.eng00.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:30 PM 2/6/00 -0500, you wrote: >I play a Bach 42B with a 5G gold mouthpiece. The guy who sits next to me in >our community concert plays a King 4B with a Bach 6/5 AL mouthpiece. He has a >lot brassier sound than I do...and one that I envy at times. Could it be a >product of our different set-ups? > ============== Yes. S. From ???@??? Mon Feb 07 08:10:49 2000 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 00:21:50 +0000 From: Eric and Candice Swanson To: Zemry@aol.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Bach 42B versus King 4B? Message-ID: <389E101A.18CFF71E@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zemry@aol.com wrote: > I play a Bach 42B with a 5G gold mouthpiece. The guy who sits next to me in > our community concert plays a King 4B with a Bach 6/5 AL mouthpiece. He has a > lot brassier sound than I do...and one that I envy at times. Could it be a > product of our different set-ups? Definitely From ???@??? Mon Feb 07 08:10:49 2000 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 00:37:32 -0600 (CST) From: hal-starkey@webtv.net (Hal Starkey) To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Practice With the Experts Message-ID: <29928-389E682C-19734@storefull-174.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Charlie wrote: Does anyone know where I can purchases the book: Practice With the Experts? Or does anyone want to sell or trade for their copy? I had it about 40 years ago and obviously didn't uses it then! _________________________ I bought my copy about 30 years ago and have not used it as much as I'd like to. Some of these exercises are tough! The book was originally put out by Leeds Music in 1960. My copy has a supplement by Paul Tanner dated 1962. Good luck finding it. I'm sure it will be worth the effort if you can track one down. Hal