TROMBONE-L Digest 1573 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Trombone Slide Cream by "Eric" 2) Any Tips on how to master circular breathing? by "Eric" 3) Do you polish your trombone?? by "Eric" 4) email address any? by "Eric" 5) Re: Any Tips on how to master circular breathing? by Douglas Yeo 6) Re: Adrians book title by "Gary Maxwell" 7) Re: How old is yours (was Trombone Slide Cream) by LarryL595@aol.com 8) re. Eric's Questions by Chris Waage 9) RE: Duets by "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> 10) Changes in Nick Drozdoff's MP3 site - New Music by Nick Drozdoff 11) RE: recital by "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> 12) Yamaha bass trombone model numbers and features by "stevencarr" 13) microphones and mutes by Mark Vareschi 14) Re: Lloyd Ulyate In Denver Soon? by Ralph Bigelow 15) Re: Any Tips on how to master circular breathing? by Tbcwes@aol.com 16) Re: Yamaha bass trombone model numbers and features by Douglas Yeo 17) Re: Duets by "Chuck De Paolo" 18) Re: by Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur 19) Re: Taking a poll by Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur 20) Christian Lindberg Workshop by Chad Horsley 21) Jay Friedman by "Chuck De Paolo" 22) Fwd: Trombone Slide Cream by DenBlose@aol.com 23) Re: FW: thayer valves - not! by Larry & Carol Bronisz 24) Disturbing thought (was: Re:Bass) by "Tom C. Shaddox" 25) Slide Cleaning by Brett Wilson 26) ensemble tuning by richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL 27) Sousa Scores by Mike Coyle 28) Re: Duets by Douglas Yeo 29) Re: Adrians book title by "Steve Beck" 30) Big Band scores by Mike Coyle 31) Tuning Slides by Brett Wilson 32) Re: Sousa Scores by "Gary Maxwell" 33) Re: Tuning Slides by Douglas Yeo 34) RE: Book titles by "Brandon Moodie" 35) RE: Sousa Scores by "James O'Briant" 36) RE: Sousa Scores by "James O'Briant" 37) RE: Sousa Scores by Chris Waage 38) RE: Sousa Scores by Mike Coyle 39) Re: Sousa Scores by daboneman 40) Re: Any Tips on how to master circular breathing? by Chris Tune 41) Re: Big Band scores by daboneman 42) Re: Big Band scores by "Brandon Moodie" 43) RE: Sousa Scores by "James O'Briant" 44) OTJ Classifieds Update by Chris Waage 45) Re: Sousa Scores by "Joe L. Norcross" 46) Re: Sousa Scores by "Gary Maxwell" 47) Re: Jazz & Improv by "James Yardley" 48) Re: Jazz & Improv by Neobopr@aol.com 49) Re: Book titles by Tbcwes@aol.com 50) Fwd: FW: Trombone freaks by Harpbonefran@aol.com 51) Re: FW: Trombone freaks by Amtrombone@aol.com 52) Counterweight by "Rodney Ellard" 53) LET IT DIE Re: FW: Trombone freaks by Listmonitor Trombone-L 54) Re: Yamaha bass trombone model numbers and features by "John Lavoie" 55) Re: Tuning Slides by Delbert Pakiser 56) Re: LET IT DIE Re: FW: Trombone freaks by Budshcneider@aol.com 57) Re: Tuning Slides by "Kenneth Dowdy" 58) Re: Fwd: Trombone Slide Cream by "Anthony J. Heins" 59) Re: Big Band scores by "Kenneth Dowdy" 60) RE: Big Band scores by "Jim O'Briant" 61) Re: Big Band scores by "Kenneth Dowdy" 62) RE:slide cleaning & tuning slides by "Eric Edwards" 63) re. LET IT DIE by Listmonitor Trombone-L 64) Re: Fwd: Trombone Slide Cream by Mike Coyle 65) Re: Yamaha bass trombone model numbers and features by Douglas Yeo 66) Re: Big Band scores by Mike Coyle 67) looking for a peashooter by Mike Coyle 68) What to Buy by Amtrombone@aol.com 69) practicing with ear plugs by "Daniel Pliskin" 70) Trombone Mouthpieces and Parts For Sale by Chris Waage 71) Re: Big Band scores by "Steve Beck" 72) Re: Jazz & Improv by Trmbman@aol.com 73) Re: Book titles by Larry White 74) Re: Fwd: Trombone Slide Cream by David Oliver 75) Re: Fwd: Trombone Slide Cream by David Oliver 76) Re: practicing with ear plugs by " Dan Cloutier" 77) RE: How old is yours (was Trombone Slide Cream) by "Kurt Winikka" 78) Re: Big Fish scores by Mike Coyle 79) Re: microphones and mutes by Dave Tall 80) Re: Any Tips on how to master circular breathing? by Dave Tall 81) Re: Duets by Dave Tall From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:41 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:13:52 +0800 From: "Eric" To: "Trombone-L" Subject: Trombone Slide Cream Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01BF6138.22FAFC40"
Greetings!!
I will recommend for always the trombontine, the best of this trombone circle... i used it for over eight years sparely, it still a full tube!! wonderful work!! 
For some users, you may still perfer using cold cream as it smells better, folks out there any comments??
 From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:42 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:29:55 +0800 From: "Eric" To: "Trombone-L" Subject: Any Tips on how to master circular breathing? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01BF613A.60F17EA0"
Greetings,
I always give attention to the requirement of the bass trombonist breathing! - usually giving the bass a rest before and after a particularly demanding passage.  Also I always feel little light-headed after playing Mancini's 'Dreamsville'!
Help me quick!! I need some guidence to master or to learn the skill of circular breathings, mentors and "older" trombonists out there, pls advise and help!!
 
I'm just a young im-mature trombonist... lack of skill & experience!!
 From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:42 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:34:04 +0800 From: "Eric" To: "Trombone-L" Subject: Do you polish your trombone?? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01BF613A.F55132C0"
Any advice on how to get a trombone polished and shiny again, would be greatly appreciated.  I also think that this instrument is quite solid...definitely not unpresentable; i would love to see my trombone shine its former glory!!
Do you guys polish your trombone??
Any special cleaning instructions would also be greatly appreciated.
I look forward toward any of your tips that you could give me.
 From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:42 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:39:04 +0800 From: "Eric" To: "Trombone-L" Subject: email address any? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01BF613B.A864B440"
Greetings,
I looking for a email address to contact selmer company.... any??
 From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:42 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:43:41 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Any Tips on how to master circular breathing? Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 10:29 PM +0800 1/17/00, Eric wrote: >Greetings, >I always give attention to the requirement of the bass trombonist >breathing! - usually giving the bass a rest before and after a >particularly demanding passage. Also I always feel little >light-headed after playing Mancini's 'Dreamsville'! > >Help me quick!! I need some guidence to master or to learn the skill >of circular breathings, mentors and "older" trombonists out there, >pls advise and help!! Here is a post I wrote on the subject about a year ago. Circular breathing (and its counterpart, sniff breathing) is an extremely useful tool - it is NOT a gimmick (Kenny G notwithstanding....). -Doug Yeo ======= Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 08:13:36 +0600 Reply-To: yeo@yeodoug.com From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Circular Breathing Sam is right - circular breathing is no gimmick. The difference in a low brass section that can circular breathe and one that cannot is amply shown when playing works by Sibelius and Bruckner (among others), when long, held out strings of notes in long phrases provide a "bed" of constant sound over which melodic material soars. Along with "sniff" breathing (taking quick breathes in through the nose while leaving the embouchure intact on the mouthpiece - very useful on works such as the Haydn Creation, Borodin Polovetsian Dances and Grieg Peer Gynt, among many others), circular breathing is a useful tool in our pedagogical arsenal. In our book "Mastering the Trombone" (http://www.yeodoug.com/mastering.html), Edward Kleinhammer and I discuss both sniff and circular breathing at length. The suggestions offered thus far on the list are good ones, but my experience in teaching circular breathing to students has proven more successful when the player first masters "sniff" breathing. The great temptation in both kinds of breathing is to try to take a long breath through the nose when the opposite - a succession of extremely short sniffs of breath - is more useful. >From "Mastering the Trombone": "...Next practice the smooth movement of air in and out. This can be done without the aid of any special equipment - what is important is to develop good coordination between filling the cheeks with air, inhalation through the nose and expelling air stored in the cheeks through the lips - all within a period of less than one second. Remember, it is most important to only take in a very small amount of air - really only a sniff of air rather than a long 'draw' of air. Some people utilize a straw with a glass of water to help this process; the object of that exercise is to constantly keep bubbles forming in the glass with a constant flow of air through the straw. However, this usually results in poor posture and a false sense of the amount of force required to produce a musical tone. The same effect can be achieved with the trombone by simply trying to hold a steady middle f with circular breathing. "As with sniff breathing, care should be taken not to allow the lungs to become too depleted with air before beginning circular breathing. The process should begin early in a note or phrase when a good reserve of 'support' is still available in the lungs...." I learned circular breathing from a master - Boston Symphony tubist Chester Schmitz who never ceases to amaze me with his skill in breathing and efficient production of tone. To hear him circular breathe the long tuba tuba solo in "Die Meistersinger" Prelude to Act 1 or the long pedal F that is marked ppp and is held for more than a dozen bars at the beginning of Mahler 1 is truly something to behold. -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:42 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 07:13:19 -0800 From: "Gary Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Adrians book title Message-ID: <002c01bf60fd$6489ad40$3702a5d1@maxwells> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The title of Adrians "book" should be: "I Wish I Thought of That!" > > Charlie > How about "Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda" Gary From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:42 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:23:50 EST From: LarryL595@aol.com To: gdmaxwell@lightspeed.net, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: How old is yours (was Trombone Slide Cream) Message-ID: <73.750d75.25b48e06@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just might have the record. I have in front of me a partially filled eye dropper bottle of "Holton Electric Oil". The label goes on to state "No. 1 For Trombone Slides NEW IMPROVED FORMULA Made by FRANK HOLTON & CO. PRICE with [illegible] in Cap 25 cents With Dropper 30 cents. I bought it when I was a freshman in high school in the Fall of 1955. Needless to say, I've switched to other lubricants over the years and currently prefer Trombotine which I use on my Yamaha 651 and I still use a 20 year old jar of Conn Superslick on my Conn 88H! Larry Lerner Livingston Symphony Orchestra Bloomfield Concert Band From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:42 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:09:01 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: re. Eric's Questions Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Eric: You might want to check Tony Brusseau's Trombone FAQ at http://www.brusseau.com/tromboneFAQ and the searchable trombone-l archive at http://www.brusseau.com/tromboneL Chris _____________________________________________ Chris Waage basstbn@waageworks.com Visit The Mouthpiece Exchange at http://www.waageworks.com _____________________________________________ From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:42 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:33:13 -0600 From: "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> To: "Trombones and related issues forum." , "'Sobo@worldlynx.net'" Subject: RE: Duets Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain > Are there any good trombone clarinet duet books? > Probably not. Beethoven wrote some duets for clarinet and bassoon. I haven't seen the bassoon parts, but they are probably manageable. There may be more clarinet/bassoon duets available. And of course, if a trombonist can read the bassoon parts, then it's only fair for the clarinetist to play trumpet parts in trumpet/trombone duets. There are bound to be a bunch of those available. Almost any Baroque solo sonata can be turned into a duet (assuming that the clarinetist can handle the transposition) by having the clarinet take the solo line and the trombone the basso continuo. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ David Guion, Cataloger John Marshall Law School 315 S. Plymouth Ct. Chicago, IL 60604 Voice: (312) 427-2737 x 552 Fax; (312) 427-8307 "Outside of a dog, books are a man's best friend; inside of a dog, it's too dark to read"--Groucho Marx ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:42 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:48:24 -0600 From: Nick Drozdoff To: "accueil@cibl.cam.org" , Zed Wiest , "wjjz@wjjz.com" , Subject: Changes in Nick Drozdoff's MP3 site - New Music Message-ID: <388339C8.7E03CA6C@interaccess.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a short note to announce some changes in Nick Drozdoff's MP3.com site located at http://www.mp3.com/NickDrozdoff. There are three DAM-CD's available at this site. Up until now, you could only hear three tunes with full fidelity and download capability. If you went to the order page you could hear lo-fi playbacks of the entire repertoire. Now all 38 tunes in both the classical and jazz idioms are available in lo-fi and hi-fi streaming format right at the web page! You don't have to go to the order page to hear all of Drozdoff's recordings. There are only three tunes which are available for free download. Those are "Foolproof" from the Brothers Drozdoff CD, "Yuppie Bug" from Player Piano and "Trepak" from Brass Facets. These were picked by virtue of their popularity on the MP3 lists. Once a month these tunes will be modified. If some other tunes in their various idioms move up to the top of the mp3 lists, the free downloads will be replaced accordingly. Please feel free to bookmark the site and listen to the music as much as you want! While DAM-CD sales are our hope, your support and interest in our music is most gratifying. It is our hope that you enjoy our music as much as we did in making it. If you are part of an educational institution, please visit Ddozdoff's other sites to find out about his lectures and articles on the physics of brasswinds and music. http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/3941 http://www.drozdoff.com He is available for clinics and lectures. Peace. Nick Drozdoff http://www.mp3.com/NickDrozdoff From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:42 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:11:49 -0600 From: "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> To: "Trombones and related issues forum." , "'Adolphus Sprott'" Subject: RE: recital Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain As a high school senior contemplating a solo recital, you have undoubtedly played solos at contest in previous years. Dust them off and play them again. Trying to fill an entire program with music you have not played before would be a very ambitious undertaking. Add that to the novelty of playing an hour's worth of solos in front of an audience for the first time, it could be a recipe for disaster. I went to school in Ohio, where we had district and state competitions, which meant that I played two solos a year. Assuming that you went to two contests a year beginning as a freshman (we won't count junior high school contest material!) and counting this year's solos, you know eight pieces. It would be good to learn one new piece for the recital, or maybe two. That makes more than enough music to choose from. Contest music, unfortunately, is limited by contest rules. All the pieces have to be about the same length, etc. The new piece should be something that you could not, for whatever reason, take to contest. That will help you balance your program and make it more interesting. Since I don't know how you play or what music you already know, I have little to say about specific pieces. I would urge you to consider the solo from Berlioz's symphony for band, though. It is technically simpler than most of your contest music, and about two minutes too long for a contest piece. It is also one of the best, most musical, and most expressive pieces in the repertoire. It is the only piece I know of where a big-name composer wrote his best music for a trombone solo. Saint-Saens and Rimsky Korsakov provided rather ho hum pieces, and the Hindemith Sonata is not one of his masterpieces. But even people who hated most of Berlioz's music admitted to liking his trombone solo. The piece has suffered somewhat in modern publications. The trombone and piano version has been transposed down a step, for some reason. It has been given the title "Recitative and Prayer", which is not Berlioz's title. There is also an edition (in the right key) for trombone and organ. I don't know if you will be able to use organ, so you may have to use the other edition. If one or more of your contest pieces is one movement from a multi-movement work, now is a good time to learn the other movements. Hope this helps. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ David Guion, Cataloger John Marshall Law School 315 S. Plymouth Ct. Chicago, IL 60604 Voice: (312) 427-2737 x 552 Fax; (312) 427-8307 "Outside of a dog, books are a man's best friend; inside of a dog, it's too dark to read"--Groucho Marx ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ > ---------- > From: Adolphus Sprott[SMTP:weslanke@worldnet.att.net] > Reply To: Adolphus Sprott > Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 9:44 AM > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > Subject: recital > > Everyone, > I am a senior in high school, and as a sort of last hurrah I am going to > have a solo recital in April or May. I'm really confused as to how I > should select my repertoire for this kind of thing. Also, I want to play > at least 45 min to an hour worth of music. Does anyone have suggestions > about how to prepare several major works at one time? What type of > selection do you think would be most enjoyable for the audience (family > and friends, not musical critics)? I really want this to be good and I > want it to be a special experience for myself and my audience. Any > suggestions about any end of putting on a recital would be greatly > appreciated. > > From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:43 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:22:53 -0500 From: "stevencarr" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Yamaha bass trombone model numbers and features Message-ID: <020301bf6107$1b0bd990$173d0818@cc938625-a.narltn1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0200_01BF60DD.3204D680"
Can anyone help w/ making sense out of model numbers for Yamaha trombones (specifically bass trombones)?
Are there variation not listed or mentioned on the web site?  For instance, on the web site there is a model 613H.  This has "heavy wall" construction.  Is there also a 613 that is standard weight?  Somewhere in my internet travels I saw a model 622B for sale used.  Is this a 622 with yellow brass bell rather than the gold brass bell? 
 
Seeking enlightenment on this (and many other subjects)
 
Steve Carr
From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:43 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:34:43 -0500 From: Mark Vareschi To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: microphones and mutes Message-ID: <01JKT5L1RI7C001RXR@ic3.ithaca.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3030953683_1007123_MIME_Part" microphones and mutes Not to open up another can of worms regarding microphones, but I have a question on the topic.  I play in a "weird" ensemble, I will leave it at that, and I find that I often must switch between plunger, harmon and other mutes very quickly.  For this reason I have been using a microphone on a stand.  However, for our past live performances and even some recordings I have been bouncing around for whatever reason and the mic does not always pick me up.  I have both a clip on and regular mic.  I am wondering if there is a way to use a clip on without it interfering with the plunger or mute changes?  Has anyone had experience with clip ons?  Either positive or negative? For those whose advice would be: "stop bouncing around and play" that really would not be the most helpful.
Thank you,
Mark From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:43 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 07:55:50 -0800 From: Ralph Bigelow To: dcoliver@access1.net, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Lloyd Ulyate In Denver Soon? Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000117075028.009bdb40@pop.pophost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:57 PM 01/16/2000 -0800, David Oliver wrote: [snip] >I heard on the radio that the Ralph Carmichael big band will be playing >in Denver on Sunday, Feb. 6th at the Denver Center of the Performing >Arts. The tickets will be $27.50 per person, and must be bought in >advance (call 303-433-5500 for info). >You've gotta here "Sing, Sing, Sing" at least once live performed by a >top notch big band like the group Ralph assembles. I really like his >original compositions and arrangements too. > >My question is, will Lloyd be playing lead trombone again this time? I >went to see the band the last time they were in Denver 1 1/2 years ago >and enjoyed talking to Lloyd during the break, even though I had no idea >who he was. He was very nice, and listened to me ramble on about playing >again, etc. We invited Lloyd to play with BonesWest at NAMM on Feb 5. But he told me that if the Carmichael gig came through he would be away that weekend. He has been a longtime friend of BonesWest, along with George Roberts and Harry Betts. >Do listers (such as my "this is how you growl" pal) Alex Iles know what >Lloyd will be up to at that time? I also understand that "Bones West" is >playing somewhere that weekend. BonesWest at NAMM, LA Convention Center, 12 noon, Sat., Feb. 5, at the outdoor stage near the food court adjacent to West Hall. Ralph Bigelow rbigelow@akamail.com BonesWest Trombone choir boneswest@boneswest.org http://boneswest.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:43 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:42:26 EST From: Tbcwes@aol.com To: eang18@pacific.net.sg, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Any Tips on how to master circular breathing? Message-ID: <4.852f2a.25b4a072@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I learned with a glass of soda and a straw! It is quite simple really. Here's what I do... Play as normal. When nearing 3/4 empty inflate the cheeks with air. The only tricky part of inhaling only through the nose and deflating the cheeks at the same time. Careful if you actually use a glass of water. 1) Don't inhale the water and 2) Don't play forte in the glass ;-) Remember, the bubbles must remain constant or the pitch with dip when you use the technique with your horn. Hope this helps! -Wes From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:43 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:47:49 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Yamaha bass trombone model numbers and features Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 11:22 AM -0500 1/17/00, stevencarr wrote: >Can anyone help w/ making sense out of model numbers for Yamaha >trombones (specifically bass trombones)? >Are there variation not listed or mentioned on the web site? For >instance, on the web site there is a model 613H. This has "heavy >wall" construction. Is there also a 613 that is standard weight? >Somewhere in my internet travels I saw a model 622B for sale used. >Is this a 622 with yellow brass bell rather than the gold brass bell? As far as I know, there is no such thing as a 622B, only the YBL-622 (which has a gold brass bell). I believe the 613H is the only model of that number, there is no 613 (without the H). See the complete listing and specs of Yamaha trombones at on the Yamaha Band Instruments site at: http://www.yamaha.com/cgi-win/webcgi.exe/gTRM00009 -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:43 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:51:17 -0500 From: "Chuck De Paolo" To: Subject: Re: Duets Message-ID: <009001bf610b$12eeaef0$0200a8c0@ws2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Are there any good trombone clarinet duet books? A classic trombone-clarinet duet (with piano) is WIlliam Presser's "Jorepi". I've not heard it performed, but many have said it's a good piece. Catalog number is 28385 @ $5 in our catalog. In Music, ---Chuck General Manager & Webmaster Hickey's Music Center 104 Adams Street Ithaca, NY 14850 607.272.8262 (Phone) 607.272.2203 (Fax) chuck@hickeys.com (E-Mail) http://www.hickeys.com (Website) http://208.134.241.150/weather/us/cities/NY_Ithaca.html (Weather) From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:43 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:02:38 -0500 From: Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Message-ID: <38833D1E.57C74B89@total.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also look for Francois Godere. He is in the Malaysian Philharmonic with Kevin. As far as I know he is on the trombone list and posts sometimes. Hi Francois. Cheers Peter Collins Larry White wrote: > > Kevin Thompson is a Canadian who plays over there I think in > Malaysia. I will try and locate his web site. > You might be able to find it from the Trombone list. > Larry > > Eric wrote: > > > Greetings,Would like to know whether there're any trombonist > > around aisa or singapore here?? From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:43 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:17:15 -0500 From: Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur To: JennWhaa@aol.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Taking a poll Message-ID: <3883408B.6581A450@total.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jen, I have to laugh every time this question makes it to the list. Trombone players are a funny lot. We are so concerned about detail (a positive thing) that we sometimes lose track of the big picture. I do believe that the gliss is important to play well or play the best that we are able, but in the big picture of the piece and the repertoire in general for orchestra, it means so little. As far as how to play it, there are several options: 1. If you own an F bass of any variety bring the horn for the gliss. I have not had the good fortune to play the piece but I do own a bass sackbut in F and have often toyed with the idea of using it solely for that gliss if I were to be called to play that work. 2. Have your orchestra (or you personally) rent a bass trombone in F to play the gliss. Apparently there was one made by Osmun several years ago (Doug Yeo could fill us in on the correct details) to play the gliss. I am only aware of this because Murray Crewe (formerly of the Toronto Symphony Orchestra) had the orchestra rent it when they performed the piece here. 3. Tune your f-attachment tuning slide to e and have the tuba player push in the tuning slide as you gliss from the low B to the F. 4. Practice your buns off to make the gliss sound the very best you can using a double valve bass trombone and various combinations of the valve and release speeds etc. I know that Bartok wrote an impossible gliss for modern bass trombone but he wasn't writing for modern bass trombone, he was writing for f bass. My preference is to stick to option 4 simply because I don't have the resources nor do I work with orchestras that have the resources to rent an instrument to play one gliss in one piece of music. I am sure you will get some varying responses about historical correctness, playing a true gliss, "real" bass trombones versus enlarged tenors (as happened on the list a few days ago) and a myriad of other responses. The end result is always what you are comfortable with and believe in. Cheers Peter Collins JennWhaa@aol.com wrote: > > Hey everyone. > > Just been assigned to play Concerto for Orchestra in February. I am curious on how people approach the Bartok gliss. I have heard just about every way possible - surprise me if you can. Respond privately and I will post the results. > > Thanks, > Curious Jen From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:43 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:57:26 -0600 From: Chad Horsley To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Christian Lindberg Workshop Message-ID: <388349F5.BE595077@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got this in the mail today.... Christian Lindberg will be giving a Free Clinic Workshop Wednesday March 22, 2000 at 3:30pm in the Pensacola Junior College Ashmore Fine Arts Auditorium. Hope this helps......... Chad Horsley From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:43 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 12:21:10 -0500 From: "Chuck De Paolo" To: Subject: Jay Friedman Message-ID: <00c001bf610f$3f4121a0$0200a8c0@ws2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know Jay Friedman's current street address? If so, please e-mail me privately. Thanks if you can help! In Music, ---Chuck General Manager & Webmaster Hickey's Music Center 104 Adams Street Ithaca, NY 14850 607.272.8262 (Phone) 607.272.2203 (Fax) chuck@hickeys.com (E-Mail) http://www.hickeys.com (Website) http://208.134.241.150/weather/us/cities/NY_Ithaca.html (Weather) From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:43 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 12:23:33 EST From: DenBlose@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Fwd: Trombone Slide Cream Message-ID: <3d.5a37ce.25b4aa15@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_3d.5a37ce.25b4aa15_boundary" In a message dated 01/17/2000 11:08:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, astro@pconline.com writes: > At 06:15 AM 1/17/00 , you wrote: > >In a message dated 01/16/2000 1:12:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >astro@pconline.com writes: > > > >> I use Trombotine with a > >> little twist. Conn makes slide cream called Formula 3 that comes with a > > >> small > >> bottle of silicone (a polymer which is a mixture of silicon and oxygen > >atoms) > >> > >> that is intended to be used with the cream. I, however, use it with the > >> trombotine instead. > > > >Mike, > > > >What a great idea!! I had been using Slide-O-Mix and found it to be great > >initially, but it seemed to "dry out" rather quickly. Yesterday I cleaned > my > >slide and tried your method with great results. I had a three hour > rehearsal > >last night, and didn't mist a single time. Thanks so much for sharing your > > >experiment. One question though, since my supply on the Conn silicone is > >limited, and I've got an abundance of the SOM, I was wondering if the small > > >bottle SOM would work equally well with the Trombotine? > > > >Dennis > > > Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb04.mx.aol.com (rly-zb04.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.4]) by air-zb01.mail.aol.com (v67.7) with ESMTP; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:08:20 -0500 Received: from newton.pconline.com (newton.pconline.com [206.145.48.1]) by rly-zb04.mx.aol.com (v67.7) with ESMTP; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:08:07 -0500 Received: from micron (m18-5-13.pconline.com [206.145.52.77]) by newton.pconline.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA31234 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:08:01 -0600 Message-Id: <200001171608.KAA31234@newton.pconline.com> X-Sender: astro@mail.pconline.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:07:48 -0600 To: DenBlose@aol.com From: Mike Coyle Subject: Re: Trombone Slide Cream In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dennis, Glad it worked for you! I'm not sure what the chemical makeup of Slide-O-Mix is. If the small bottle is silicone it would probably work, but, the company always cautions not to mix SOM with any other creams. It causes everything to get very gummy and sluggish. That's why you have to clean the slide several times before even using SOM if you have been using a cream lubricant. I would be hesitant to try mix either part of SOM with trombotine - I'll try to find out what the small bottle contains though and if I find out I'll let you know. You might want to share your success with the list. I have tried top turn others on to trombotine and formula 3 but I think most people were scared to try it :) Mike At 06:15 AM 1/17/00 , you wrote: >In a message dated 01/16/2000 1:12:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, >astro@pconline.com writes: > >> I use Trombotine with a >> little twist. Conn makes slide cream called Formula 3 that comes with a >> small >> bottle of silicone (a polymer which is a mixture of silicon and oxygen >atoms) >> >> that is intended to be used with the cream. I, however, use it with the >> trombotine instead. > >Mike, > >What a great idea!! I had been using Slide-O-Mix and found it to be great >initially, but it seemed to "dry out" rather quickly. Yesterday I cleaned my >slide and tried your method with great results. I had a three hour rehearsal >last night, and didn't mist a single time. Thanks so much for sharing your >experiment. One question though, since my supply on the Conn silicone is >limited, and I've got an abundance of the SOM, I was wondering if the small >bottle SOM would work equally well with the Trombotine? > >Dennis > From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:44 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:34:06 -0700 From: Larry & Carol Bronisz To: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: FW: thayer valves - not! Message-ID: <4.1.20000117102754.00be33c0@mail.trail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" All Thayers are not problematic: I purchased an Edwards with a Thayer in 1991 - relatively early on. The Thayer on an Edwards is made by Edwards (Allied) and has a stauncher casing and perhaps some other differences. I have had absolutely no trouble with it. For over 6 years I did not even dismantle it for cleaning - I just ran a stream of water throught the horn. All I did was add a drop of oil to the rotor shaft every few months and use valve oil down the bore every couple of weeks. No problems at all. - Larry At 01:07 PM 1/11/00 -0500, richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL wrote: >I have to respect the symphony pro's choice of the thayer, but I have come >to believe that most of the rest of us are better off spending more time >playing and less time adjusting and lubricating. > >I'm not trying to say they aren't any good, just that for me the small >benefit isn't worth the extra work. From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:44 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:40:36 -0600 From: "Tom C. Shaddox" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Disturbing thought (was: Re:Bass) Message-ID: <38835414.D2F277A7@fnc.fujitsu.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sabutin wrote in part: > I really consider most good contemporary orchestral trombonists as being ">baritone" trombone players. .... Now listen to the >trombone virtuosi of the beginning of this century...... Tenors to a man. > Same thing goes for jazz players. More tenorish until the '50s + '60s, >then more baritonish. (In general...) > And WHY did this change??? Acoustics, amplification/recording, and at >least in jazz, ensemble size. I wondered if the switch from cornets to trumpets pushed the trombone in this direction to return to a good "complimentary contrast" ensemble sound. I gotta go practice, Tom Shaddox, 9th chair tenor From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:44 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 12:47:01 -0500 From: Brett Wilson To: Trombone-L Subject: Slide Cleaning Message-ID: <38835595.C4A45C96@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What do you guys use to clean the inside of your outer slide? I got the cleaning rod but I'm not sure what to put on the end of it. Thanks for your help, Brett From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:44 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:09:51 -0500 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: ensemble tuning Message-ID: <21E592FA8BA7D311B5B100062B001FE2082EB8@LEE2> I also play in a wind ensemble that can be frustrating to play in tune with. The band doesn't have a stable core pitch. It floats up and down, and changes with section lead, etc. The solution: We had a really decent bone sitting in one night, and he said basically, screw 'em. Play the right pitch and ignore the rest of the band. I didn't agree, but I kept my mouth shut and thought about it. I came to the conclusion by following the floating pitch center, I was part of the problem not part of the solution. If I listen hard to the bass (tuba) and bass trombone, and play in tune with them, it helps to center the band pitch, and at least I'm in tune with someone. There are also individual notes on any given instrument that are bad ones. For those conflicts I just lay out. (like those euphonium F, F# and G's; no way to play in tune with them, it's better to leave a note out than try. Fluegels and saxes have a few like this, also) yours, tim richardson From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:44 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 12:18:15 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Sousa Scores Message-ID: <200001171818.MAA10451@newton.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey folks, Does anyone out there know where one can find Sousa march scores (no parts, just scores)? Thanks, Mike From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:44 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:27:28 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Duets Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 11:51 AM -0500 1/17/00, Chuck De Paolo wrote: > > > Are there any good trombone clarinet duet books? > >A classic trombone-clarinet duet (with piano) is William Presser's "Jorepi". >I've not heard it performed, but many have said it's a good piece. Catalog >number is 28385 @ $5 in our catalog. I played it in college, not very profound but fun, a good closer for a recital if you have a friend who plays clarinet. JOREPI means JOint REcital PIece. Also, there are arrangements of Bach 2 part inventions for trumpet and trombone, etc. -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:44 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:26:59 -0500 From: "Steve Beck" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Adrians book title Message-ID: <007d01bf6118$7391af20$93310923@becks.cl.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just saw an advanced copy - titled, "Punishment from the Punitentiary: Bringing new meaning to the Guiness book of records." From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:44 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 12:31:53 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Big Band scores Message-ID: <200001171832.MAA11585@newton.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I should have put this request in my last post, but I forgot. Anybody know where to purchase Jazz Band scores (no parts) - looking especially for classic big band lit (DOrsey, Miller, Basie, Kenton, etc.). Thanks, Mike From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:44 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:36:10 -0500 From: Brett Wilson To: Trombone-L Subject: Tuning Slides Message-ID: <3883611A.CFDEAE1@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What do you all recommend using to lubricate tuning slides? I've got this stuff I got from the Brasswind but it's really thick. Are all tuning slide greases this thick or is there something thinner? Thanks, Brett From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:44 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:45:06 -0800 From: "Gary Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Sousa Scores Message-ID: <003601bf611a$f9ebfe20$5100a5d1@maxwells> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scores without parts? Hmmmmm. Gary Maxwell ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Coyle To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 10:18 AM Subject: Sousa Scores > Hey folks, > > Does anyone out there know where one can find Sousa march scores (no parts, > just scores)? > > Thanks, > > Mike > From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:44 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:50:00 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: b-wilson@bigfoot.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Tuning Slides Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 1:36 PM -0500 1/17/00, Brett Wilson wrote: >What do you all recommend using to lubricate tuning slides? I've got >this stuff I got from the Brasswind but it's really thick. Are all >tuning slide greases this thick or is there something thinner? A post from a little while ago on the subject. -Doug Yeo ===== Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:54:45 -0400 Reply-To: yeo@yeodoug.com From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: thick tuning slide grease We had some discussion about this a year or so ago. Lanolin is fine as far as it goes, however it is not heat stable and if you leave your horn in your car and it heats up, lanolin will liquify and could dribble into your valve (straight horns, no problem). I've seen this happen with several people. The smell can also be overpowering to some people. My tuning slide lubricant of choice is Dow Corning High Vacuum Grease, or a similar product, Dow Corning 111 Valve Lubricant and Sealant Compound. It comes in a 5.3 ounce (150 g) tube and one tube will last for years. It's available from places like Fisher Scientific Supply, or you can call Dow Corning at 800.248.2481 to order or find a distributor near you (this number was current as of 2 years ago, if it has changed, call 800 information). It is heat stable and inert; all of my colleagues in the BSO who use it (especially in the horn section) love it because it doesn't not break down quickly, has no smell and comes in a convenient format. -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:44 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:48:41 -0600 From: "Brandon Moodie" To: "Trombones and related issues forum" Subject: RE: Book titles Message-ID: <000e01bf6113$17216280$35a38ad1@c.moodie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With all this talk about Adrian's "book", I thought I'd pass on this list that a friend sent to me. Enjoy. >>> TOP TEN BOOKS FOR MUSICIANS THAT NEVER GOT PUBLISHED >>> >>> >>> 1. The Genius of Ricky Martin >>> >>> 2. Wedding Gigs That Changed My Life >>> >>> 3. Female Vocalists: Lasting Partnerships and Musical Artistry >>> >>> 4. The Incredible Guitar Wizardry of Steve Miller >>> >>> 5. A Guide to Jazz Chord Progressions -- by Jerry Lee Lewis >>> >>> 6. Get Rich as a Lounge Band Musician >>> >>> 7. Agents, Club Owners, and Promoters: Profiles in Kindness >>> >>> 8. The Dave Clark 5: Music Legends >>> >>> 9. Learn Songwriting in One Hour >>> >>> 10. Millionaire Trombone Players >>> From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:44 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:12:16 -0800 From: "James O'Briant" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Sousa Scores Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Coyle asks -- > Does anyone out there know where one > can find Sousa march scores > (no parts, just scores)? Many of the Sousa marches have passed into the Public Domain, and have been reprinted by Kalmus (or by their subsidiary, Masters Music -- I forget which). You can order most of them for $12.00 each, including all parts and a score if there was one, although many of those old editions just had a Solo Cornet/Conductor part. The series of Sousa march editions that were published by the Sam Fox Co. around 1950 are still under copyright. Many if not all of these are still in print. I'd start at the JW Pepper site and do a "music search" under the titles you're seeking. Pepper offers scores without parts to many of the band publications that they carry. Dover Books publishes a book of reproductions of the piano sheet music editions of many Sousa marches. Hope this is useful info ... Jim O'Briant Bayside Music Press Gilroy, CA (e-mail me for a free catalog via return e-mail) From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:44 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:12:17 -0800 From: "James O'Briant" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Sousa Scores Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary Maxwell wrote: > Scores without parts? Hmmmmm. If I read your mind correctly, Gary, you're foreseeing copyright infringement.... But there are legitimate reasons for people to need just scores -- study purposes, extra scores for contest judges, etc. I provided possible sources on the assumption that his motives are honest. I hope you're wrong and I'm right! Jim O'Briant Bayside Music Press Gilroy, CA (E-mail me for a free catalog via return e-mail) From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:44 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:21:22 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: RE: Sousa Scores Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Check Hickey's Music - http://www.hickeys.com. They have an excellent online catalog of scores. Chris _____________________________________________ Chris Waage basstbn@waageworks.com Visit The Mouthpiece Exchange at http://www.waageworks.com _____________________________________________ From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:44 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:22:33 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: jobriant@garlic.com Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Sousa Scores Message-ID: <200001171922.NAA15824@newton.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:12 PM 1/17/00 , you wrote: >Gary Maxwell wrote: > >> Scores without parts? Hmmmmm. > >If I read your mind correctly, Gary, you're foreseeing copyright >infringement.... > >But there are legitimate reasons for people to need just scores -- study >purposes, extra scores for contest judges, etc. I provided possible sources >on the assumption that his motives are honest. I don't get it, why would there be a danger of copyright infringement by buying scores? You can buy the scores to almost any piece of music ever published. What am I missing here? Is someone suggesting that I would copy the parts for performance from the score? Hardly worth it if you can by the score and parts complete for $50.00. I own The Dover scores of Wagner's Ring Cycle too, I haven't been tempted to copy out those parts for performance :) You guys can't be serious, right? I have never seen one of Sousa's march scores (they weren't on the top ten list of great composition to study when I was in school). I'd like to look at some of the scores to see how he handled these things. I have a project coming up for which I have to arrange some things for band - having mainly done orchestral and chamber works I figured it was a good idea to study the works of a master instead of reinventing the wheel. I really don't understand the replies to my request, but I thank James for his adivce - I found a music store in Minneapolis that will order the scores for me, but thanks for the other info. Mike > >I hope you're wrong and I'm right! > >Jim O'Briant >Bayside Music Press >Gilroy, CA >(E-mail me for a free catalog via return e-mail) > From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:44 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:29:00 -0600 From: daboneman To: astro@pconline.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Sousa Scores Message-ID: <38836D7C.9C0A578D@mciworld.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Yes... there is a book written by Norman Smith called "March Music Notes" ... this is not it, but if you call your local music store and mention this book they will be able to point you to the correct book. Dr. Smith did another book with scores, and then another with 1st trumpet parts. If this doesn't help let me know privately and I'll locate the publisher. Or you can give Southern Music Co. a call in San Antonio. Dean McCarty freelance trombonist, Houston area Mike Coyle wrote: > Hey folks, > > Does anyone out there know where one can find Sousa march scores (no parts, > just scores)? > > Thanks, > > Mike From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:45 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:19:45 -0800 From: Chris Tune To: Tbcwes@aol.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Any Tips on how to master circular breathing? Message-ID: <000901bf611f$d1c82ae0$2ed4aace@ultrascsi> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Good idea, except I'd suggest that a lot of practicing is needed so a method that works while you are standing around waiting in line or are driving in rush hour, "stop and go" traffic is really useful: place the side of your index finger right near your lips (about a half an inch seems good). Learn to feel the air rushing against that index finger and get so you can gauge how steadily you are blowing. Now go through the motions of blowing (not buzzing. . .that will come later) and trying to achieve steady airstream effects while going through the circular breathing cycle. This should become a very "ingrained" habit that can be done over and over. After you get this mastered really well, you begin to do this while buzzing. Do this either bare lipped or on a mouthpiece and then finally bring it to the horn. Be aware that this operation may be easier in some registers (high or low, etc. )as opposed to others. For those who do not know the "cycle" here it is: 1. Blowing out regular style 2. Letting the cheeks fill with air by loosening the muscles holding the cheeks in 3. Switch over to using the cheeks (by pulling in on the cheek muscles) to blow or buzz; at this time, you should also be breathing in through your nose, quickly 4. Switch back to regular style blowing or buzzing. #2,3 and 4 need to be fairly quick and smooth or artifacts will get into the buzzing. In fact, it is almost impossible to completely remove exactly every last tiny artifact of an operation like this. Instead your goal should be "virtually free" of all artifacts. Christopher R. Tune http://www.christune.com Cell (818) 468-4767 Home (818) 763-9397 ********************************************* There are just two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. ********************************************* ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 8:42 AM Subject: Re: Any Tips on how to master circular breathing? > I learned with a glass of soda and a straw! > > It is quite simple really. Here's what I do... > > Play as normal. When nearing 3/4 empty inflate the cheeks with air. The only > tricky part of inhaling only through the nose and deflating the cheeks at the > same time. Careful if you actually use a glass of water. 1) Don't inhale the > water and 2) Don't play forte in the glass ;-) Remember, the bubbles must > remain constant or the pitch with dip when you use the technique with your > horn. > > Hope this helps! > > -Wes From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:45 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:32:04 -0600 From: daboneman To: astro@pconline.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Big Band scores Message-ID: <38836E34.E17CD418@mciworld.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Mike: Again, call your local retailer and tell them the titles that you want and you can purchase the scores of whatever title you want as long as it is still in print. It may take them a while to locate the publisher unless you know that much. Here's a question though.... why do you only want the scores to these? Dean McCarty freelance trombonist, Houston area Mike Coyle wrote: > I should have put this request in my last post, but I forgot. > > Anybody know where to purchase Jazz Band scores (no parts) - looking > especially for classic big band lit (DOrsey, Miller, Basie, Kenton, etc.). > > Thanks, > > Mike From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:45 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 12:50:42 -0600 From: "Brandon Moodie" To: "Trombones and related issues forum" Subject: Re: Big Band scores Message-ID: <000101bf611b$c1914e80$22d78ad1@c.moodie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm with Mike on this one. No offense, but hasn't anyone heard of score study for non-orchestral music?? Very useful pursuit, regardless of stlye, and given Mike's previous composition-themed posts, it was my first assumption.... --Brandon At 01:12 PM 1/17/00 , James O'Briant wrote: >Gary Maxwell wrote: > >> Scores without parts? Hmmmmm. > >If I read your mind correctly, Gary, you're foreseeing copyright >infringement.... > Dean McCarty wrote: > Here's a question though.... why do you only > want the scores > to these? > From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:45 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 12:15:26 -0800 From: "James O'Briant" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Sousa Scores Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Coyle wrote, in part: > I don't get it, why would there be a danger of copyright infringement by > buying scores? There's none, just by buying them. If there were, I wouldn't have posted a note giving three possible sources. Gary Maxwell's cryptic note led me to guess -- and is was only a guess -- that he was thinking the worst, and I commented on the "worst possible scenario" of someone doing just what you describe here: > Is someone suggesting that I would > copy the parts for performance from the > score? Hardly worth it if you can > by the score and parts complete for $50.00. I agree with the above, although I've found that by taking a piece that has no score (such as an old march with just a Solo Cornet/Conductor part and creating a full score from the individual parts, I learn an awful lot about how the music is put together -- far more than I would learn from studying the score itself. > I have never seen one of Sousa's march > scores (they weren't on the top ten > list of great composition to study when > I was in school). I'd like to look > at some of the scores to see how he > handled these things. I have a project > coming up for which I have to arrange > some things for band - having mainly > done orchestral and chamber works I > figured it was a good idea to study the > works of a master instead of reinventing the wheel. Virtually all of the Sousa scores I've seen, except for a few of the brand new large-size editions, have been condensed scores on two staves. You'll learn a lot more by studying some full scores by Alfred Reed or Warren Barker or some of the other top-notch modern band composers and arrangers -- if only because most of their works come with full scores. Jim O'Briant Bayside Music Press Gilroy, CA (E-mail me for a free catalog via return mail) From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:45 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 15:21:52 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L , brass@quartz.gly.fsu.edu Subject: OTJ Classifieds Update Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds (http://www.trombone.org/classifieds) have been updated as of 3:13 p.m. CST on January 17, 2000 with over 20 new listings. OTJ Instrument Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/instruments.asp OTJ Accessory Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/accessories.asp OTJ Music Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/music.asp To place an ad: http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/adform.asp If you have any questions or comments about the Online Trombone Journal Classifieds, please contact me at chris@trombone.org. Chris _____________________________________________ Chris Waage basstbn@waageworks.com Visit The Mouthpiece Exchange at http://www.waageworks.com _____________________________________________ From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:45 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:31:15 -0800 From: "Joe L. Norcross" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Sousa Scores Message-ID: <00ea01bf6132$30b6ab00$04000005@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think Gary was trying to make a joke, that fell flat ______________________________________ Joe L. Norcross Tuba, Sequoia Winds, Visalia British Brass Band Tuba and Announcer, Kingsburg City Band joetuba@lightspeed.net -----Original Message----- From: James O'Briant To: Trombones and related issues forum. Date: Monday, January 17, 2000 12:13 PM Subject: RE: Sousa Scores >Mike Coyle wrote, in part: > >Gary Maxwell's cryptic note led me to guess -- and is was only a guess -- >that he was thinking the worst, and I commented on the "worst possible >scenario" of someone doing just what you describe here: From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:45 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:35:57 -0800 From: "Gary Maxwell" To: "Joe L. Norcross" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Sousa Scores Message-ID: <000b01bf6132$d887c9e0$5400a5d1@maxwells> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yup. Gary ++++++++++++++++++++++++ ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe L. Norcross To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Sousa Scores > I think Gary was trying to make a joke, that fell flat > ______________________________________ > Joe L. Norcross > Tuba, Sequoia Winds, Visalia British Brass Band > Tuba and Announcer, Kingsburg City Band > joetuba@lightspeed.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: James O'Briant > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > Date: Monday, January 17, 2000 12:13 PM > Subject: RE: Sousa Scores > > > >Mike Coyle wrote, in part: > > > >Gary Maxwell's cryptic note led me to guess -- and is was only a guess -- > >that he was thinking the worst, and I commented on the "worst possible > >scenario" of someone doing just what you describe here: > > From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:45 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 16:03:14 -0600 From: "James Yardley" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Jazz & Improv Message-ID: <001201bf6136$a971d0c0$b48afea9@james> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kristina, To help with my jazz style, I use/d a book called "Reading Jazz." It's written by Jacques Rizzo and is published by Warner Bros. Publications. It comes with a cd that you can play along with. It's really a great book, even for those of us who have been playing jazz for a while. I doesn't teach you about chords progressions or that kind of thing. It teaches you style. If you want to get into jazz improvisation, I recommend the Jamey Aebersold books. You can get information on them at http://www.jajazz.com. They are very good learning tools that are written in a language that most can understand. My third suggestion is to study jazz with a local jazz musician in your area. This may be hard to do if you live in a small town, but I'm sure you can find someone. I also highly recommend listening to all the great jazz trombonists and great jazz players (even they don't play the coolest instrument of all time). That's all I have to say about that. James Yardley Bass Trombone ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 6:22 PM Subject: Jazz & Improv > Hello! I'm a high school soph. In September, I started playing trombone. > After a month, I tried out for all-region jazz band.....and made it. I can > play well (I'm guessing because I'm an excellent euphonium player). But, I > want to expand my knowledge of jazz music. I want to buy a jazz method book > and some play along books for improvisational studies. Do any of you have > some good suggestions of some good method books? Any help is greatly > appreciated. Thanx! > > > ~*~Kristina~*~ > NHS Symphonic Band (Euphonium) > Jazz Band (Trombone) > Pianist From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:45 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:32:36 EST From: Neobopr@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Jazz & Improv Message-ID: <20.f17f48.25b4f284@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Speaking of Jazz and Improv.: I just added 2 MP3's of me blowing from our tour last fall. Also updated some other items on the sight if anyone is interested! Yamaha Artist/Clinician-Jeff Adams From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:45 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:48:48 EST From: Tbcwes@aol.com To: longtones@mindspring.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Book titles Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have actually never laughed out laud at one of these types of forwards until now. Thanks Wes From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:45 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:44:33 EST From: Harpbonefran@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Fwd: FW: Trombone freaks Message-ID: <1d.523313.25b50361@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_1d.523313.25b50361_boundary" Return-path: Harpbonefran@aol.com From: Harpbonefran@aol.com Full-name: Harpbonefran Message-ID: <87.d3d9ce.25b502e0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:42:24 EST Subject: Fwd: FW: Trombone freaks To: bbb@fosterselect.com, crewe@stargate.duq.edu, DeFade@aol.com, Lhfried@aol.com, Greenbone3@aol.com, caljac@prodigy.net, mkosmala@portlandsymphony.com, cybersailor@juno.com, kepst19+@pitt.edu (Kenneth E Prouty), Dansatt@aol.com, VernonCG@aol.com, zehfuss@mindspring.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part2_1d.523313.25b502e0_boundary" X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 45 Is this true? Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (rly-zd03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.227]) by air-zd05.mail.aol.com (v67.7) with ESMTP; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 16:37:15 -0500 Received: from mobius51.mobius.com ([199.248.252.2]) by rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (v67.7) with ESMTP; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 16:36:58 -0500 Received: by mobius51.Mobius.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 16:34:05 -0500 Message-ID: <60503F01D61DD2119414080009FC5BAD021F3509@mobius51.Mobius.com> From: Alan Verostick To: "'Duffy, Fran'" Subject: FW: Trombone freaks Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 16:34:04 -0500 Return-Receipt-To: Alan Verostick MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't know if I sent this to you, but enjoy anyway! Share with your friends! -Alan > ---------- > From: dwest@us.ibm.com[SMTP:dwest@us.ibm.com] > Sent: Monday, December 07, 1998 3:27 PM > To: Alan Verostick; richmok@baxter.com; mmshah@home.com > Subject: Trombone freaks > > Karen/Meetal, > Doesn't this sound like something Al would do? :-) > -Dave > P.S. A quarter stick is also known as a "pineapple", or a "blockbuster" > and can do some serious damage to flowerpots > P.P.S. What are all your plans for the holidays? I'll be home from the > 24th to the 27th and maybe longer. > > > Thought you all would appreciate this story of a typical trombone > player... > --------------------------------- > > 1812 Overture > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > August, 1998, Montevideo, Uruguay: > > Paolo Esperanza, bass-trombonist with the Simphonica Mayor de > Uruguay, in a misplaced moment of inspiration decided to make his own > contribution to the cannon shots fired as part of the orchestra's > performance of Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture at an outdoor children's > concert. > > In complete seriousness he placed a large, ignited firecracker, > which was equivalent in strength to a quarter stick of dynamite, into his > aluminum straight mute and then stuck the mute into the bell of his > quite new Yamaha in-line double-valve bass trombone. > > Later, from his hospital bed he explained to a reporter through > bandages on his mouth, "I thought that the bell of my trombone > would shield me from the explosion and instead, would focus the energy of > the blast outwards and away from me, propelling the mute high above > the orchestra, like a rocket." > > However, Paolo was not up on his propulsion physics nor qualified > to use high-powered artillery and in his haste to get the horn up > before the firecracker went off, he failed to raise the bell of the horn > high enough so as to give the mute enough arc to clear the orchestra. > > What actually happened should serve as a lesson to us all during > those delirious moments of divine inspiration. First, because he failed > to sufficiently elevate the bell of his horn, the blast propelled the > mute between rows of players in the woodwind and viola sections of > the orchestra, missing the players and straight into the stomach of the > conductor, driving him off the podium and directly into the front > row of the audience. > > Fortunately, the audience were sitting in folding chairs and thus > they were protected from serious injury, for the chairs collapsed under > them passing the energy of the impact of the flying conductor > backwards into row of people sitting behind them, who in turn were > driven back into the people in the row behind and so on, like a row > of dominos. The sound of collapsing wooden chairs and grunts of people > falling on their behinds increased logarithmically, adding to the > overall sound of brass cannons and brass playing as constitutes the > closing measures of the Overture. > > Meanwhile, all of this unplanned choreography not withstanding, > back on stage Paolo's Waterloo was still unfolding. According to Paolo, > "Just as he heard the sound of the blast, time seemed to stand > still. > > "Everything moved in slow motion. Just before I felt searing pain > to my mouth, I could swear I heard a voice with a Austrian accent > say "Fur every akshon zer iz un eekvul un opposeet reakshon!" > > Well, this should come as no surprise, for Paolo had set himself up > for a textbook demonstration of this fundamental law of physics. > Having failed to plug the lead pipe of his trombone, he allowed the > energy of the blast to send a super heated jet of gas backwards > through the mouth pipe of the trombone which exited the mouthpiece > burning his lips and face. > > The pyrotechnic ballet wasn't over yet. The force of the blast was > so great it split the bell of his shiny Yamaha right down the middle, > turning it inside out while at the same time propelling Paolo > backwards off the riser. And for the grand finale, as Paolo fell > backwards he lost his grip on the slide of the trombone allowing > the pressure of the hot gases coursing through the horn to propel the > trombone's slide like a double golden spear into the head of the > 3rd clarinetist, knocking him unconscious. > > The moral of the story? Beware the next time you hear someone in > the trombone section yell out, "Hey, everyone, watch this!" > From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:46 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:48:18 EST From: Amtrombone@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: FW: Trombone freaks Message-ID: <95.29ac65.25b50442@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Classic Story From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:46 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 15:54:04 -0800 From: "Rodney Ellard" To: "Trombone-L" Subject: Counterweight Message-ID: <002101bf6146$2616d9e0$1ab694d1@rod> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01BF6103.152B0400"
I am looking for a Bach counterweight for my early 70's Bach 12.  Please contact me off the list if you have one you're willing to sell.
 
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 From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:46 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:56:37 -0600 From: Listmonitor Trombone-L To: Trombone-L Subject: LET IT DIE Re: FW: Trombone freaks Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This has been beaten to death by the trombone-l. Do not post anything further on this message. LM From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:46 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:09:48 -0500 From: "John Lavoie" To: stevencarr@home.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Yamaha bass trombone model numbers and features Message-ID: <5AD3B3DDC0CC3D11DAFC00807C90262A@webmaster.Trombonegod.zzn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed ;boundary=Interpart.Boundary.11.22.33.M2Y24121 As far as I know, all Yamaha horns have yellow brass slides. The 613 has a gold brass bell, while the 612 I have no clue. The Yamaha site says gold brass in one place, and yellow in another. The 613 has a 9 1/2 in bell, while the 612 is ten. The H stands for an in-line and open wrap setup, while the R is dependent and closed wrap. I believe they used to have 613R and 612H, but no longer make those models. From what I can tell, the 622 is nearly the same as a 613H, only dependent and the second valve is detatchable. The 421G is an intermediate, single trigger model. JOhn Can anyone help w/ making sense out of model numbers for Yamaha trombones (specifically bass trombones)? Are there variation not listed or mentioned on the web site? For instance, on the web site there is a model 613H. This has "heavy wall" construction. Is there also a 613 that is standard weight? Somewhere in my internet travels I saw a model 622B for sale used. Is this a 622 with yellow brass bell rather than the gold brass bell? Seeking enlightenment on this (and many other subjects) Steve Carr John Lavoie Sophomore, Ithaca College http://members.tripod.com/Trombone8vb http://members.tripod.com/Trombone8vb. I appologize for the following ad. ___________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-Based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="OriginalBody.htm" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="OriginalBody.htm" Content-Description: OriginalBody.htm Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:OriginalBody.htm (????/----) (000227D5) From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:46 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:15:20 -0700 From: Delbert Pakiser To: b-wilson@bigfoot.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Tuning Slides Message-ID: <3883B098.EF898A30@ecentral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Brett, Most all the lubricates work to allow the tuning slide to move and thick enough to keep the slide in place. It is my understanding that petroleum base grease accelerates the tarnish build up on brass. I think that tarnish builds up over time is able to freeze up a tuning slide. Tarnish takes up space and adherses to brass thus glueing the slide in place over time. I use 100% clear Silicone grease. This inhibits and slows down and maybe prevents any tarnish build up. Use a very little bit of Silicone. It will last a long time. So far, the tuning slide is the same clean brass and works smoothly two months after application. The small tube that I bought will last years for me and the cost was about $2.00. I found it in an automotive parts store sold as spark plug grease. Brett Wilson wrote: > > What do you all recommend using to lubricate tuning slides? I've got > this stuff I got from the Brasswind but it's really thick. Are all > tuning slide greases this thick or is there something thinner? > > Thanks, > Brett From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:46 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:23:17 EST From: Budshcneider@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: LET IT DIE Re: FW: Trombone freaks Message-ID: <48.a0f57a.25b50c75@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/17/00 6:00:39 PM Central Standard Time, tsks@cjnetworks.com writes: << This has been beaten to death by the trombone-l. Do not post anything further on this message. LM >> So much for the uncensored list. From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:46 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:57:08 -0600 From: "Kenneth Dowdy" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Tuning Slides Message-ID: <001401bf614e$f49c71a0$08190f3f@default> Brett, I use Hetman Premium Slide Grease #8 on all my tuning slides (trombone and cornet). However, if the grease is too thick, try some Hetman Slide Oil Lubricant #5. It is made for the #1 and #3 tuning slides of a trumpet and is a bit less messy than the greases. My son uses it with good results. Ken Dowdy -----Original Message----- From: Brett Wilson To: Trombones and related issues forum. Date: Monday, January 17, 2000 12:36 PM Subject: Tuning Slides >What do you all recommend using to lubricate tuning slides? I've got >this stuff I got from the Brasswind but it's really thick. Are all >tuning slide greases this thick or is there something thinner? > >Thanks, >Brett > From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:46 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:04:33 -0500 From: "Anthony J. Heins" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: Trombone Slide Cream Message-ID: <3883BC21.61BD41C9@stratos.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All Ran out of the Conn silicone. Used the little bottle of SOM with Trombotine--Worked great for me! Tony Heins DenBlose@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 01/17/2000 11:08:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, > astro@pconline.com writes: > > > At 06:15 AM 1/17/00 , you wrote: > > >In a message dated 01/16/2000 1:12:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > >astro@pconline.com writes: > > > > > >> I use Trombotine with a > > >> little twist. Conn makes slide cream called Formula 3 that comes with > a > > > > >> small > > >> bottle of silicone (a polymer which is a mixture of silicon and oxygen > > >atoms) > > >> > > >> that is intended to be used with the cream. I, however, use it with > the > > >> trombotine instead. > > > > > >Mike, > > > > > >What a great idea!! I had been using Slide-O-Mix and found it to be > great > > >initially, but it seemed to "dry out" rather quickly. Yesterday I cleaned > > my > > >slide and tried your method with great results. I had a three hour > > rehearsal > > >last night, and didn't mist a single time. Thanks so much for sharing > your > > > > >experiment. One question though, since my supply on the Conn silicone is > > >limited, and I've got an abundance of the SOM, I was wondering if the > small > > > > >bottle SOM would work equally well with the Trombotine? > > > > > >Dennis > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Trombone Slide Cream > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:07:48 -0600 > From: Mike Coyle > To: DenBlose@aol.com > > Dennis, > > Glad it worked for you! I'm not sure what the chemical makeup of > Slide-O-Mix is. If the small bottle is silicone it would probably work, > but, the company always cautions not to mix SOM with any other creams. It > causes everything to get very gummy and sluggish. That's why you have to > clean the slide several times before even using SOM if you have been using > a cream lubricant. I would be hesitant to try mix either part of SOM with > trombotine - I'll try to find out what the small bottle contains though and > if I find out I'll let you know. > > You might want to share your success with the list. I have tried top turn > others on to trombotine and formula 3 but I think most people were scared > to try it :) > > Mike > > At 06:15 AM 1/17/00 , you wrote: > >In a message dated 01/16/2000 1:12:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >astro@pconline.com writes: > > > >> I use Trombotine with a > >> little twist. Conn makes slide cream called Formula 3 that comes with a > >> small > >> bottle of silicone (a polymer which is a mixture of silicon and oxygen > >atoms) > >> > >> that is intended to be used with the cream. I, however, use it with the > >> trombotine instead. > > > >Mike, > > > >What a great idea!! I had been using Slide-O-Mix and found it to be great > >initially, but it seemed to "dry out" rather quickly. Yesterday I cleaned > my > >slide and tried your method with great results. I had a three hour > rehearsal > >last night, and didn't mist a single time. Thanks so much for sharing your > >experiment. One question though, since my supply on the Conn silicone is > >limited, and I've got an abundance of the SOM, I was wondering if the small > >bottle SOM would work equally well with the Trombotine? > > > >Dennis > > From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:46 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:16:25 -0600 From: "Kenneth Dowdy" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Big Band scores Message-ID: <002d01bf6151$a4ff4020$08190f3f@default> I'm also with Mike on this one. My mom used to tell me that only the dishonest always see dishonesty in others. Anyway, I also purchase scores only from J.W. Pepper music. The scores cost about $2.00 vs. the $45 to $100+ for the full set. After seeing various available arrangements of a particular tune, I then select the complete set that I want to purchase and buy that (also from Pepper). It really saves the pain in the bazzoo (for both the vendor and I) of ordering a set and sending it back when it is not what you want. It also leaves me collection of scores to view again if my tastes change in the future (i.e., choosing an arrangement for a High School band instead of a Junior High band, or needing an arrangement with strings instead of all winds). Obviously the publishers are not as worried about copyright infringement or they would be less willing to make the scores available. BTW, with some vocal music, the score is the only way you CAN buy it. I had to write out the parts for Buccinate to save instrumentalists from making 16 page turns, often in the most inconvenient places. I would assume that since Gabrielli has been dead for nearly 400 years, and the publisher of the vocal score has not seen fit to publish individual parts for instruments, that I am safe from the copyright police for the moment. Ken Dowdy -----Original Message----- From: Brandon Moodie To: Trombones and related issues forum. Date: Monday, January 17, 2000 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Big Band scores >I'm with Mike on this one. No offense, but hasn't anyone heard of score >study for non-orchestral music?? Very useful pursuit, regardless of stlye, >and given Mike's previous composition-themed posts, it was my first >assumption.... >--Brandon > > >At 01:12 PM 1/17/00 , James O'Briant wrote: >>Gary Maxwell wrote: >> >>> Scores without parts? Hmmmmm. >> >>If I read your mind correctly, Gary, you're foreseeing copyright >>infringement.... >> > >Dean McCarty wrote: >> Here's a question though.... why do you only >> want the scores >> to these? >> > From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:46 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:30:55 -0800 From: "Jim O'Briant" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Big Band scores Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kenneth Dowdy wrote, in part: > I'm also with Mike on this one. > My mom used to tell me that only the > dishonest always see dishonesty in others. Your mom was wrong. Those who have been the victim of a particular kind of crime are especially cautious when the circumstances arise again when the incident could repeat itself. If she'd ever had her purse snatched, she would be more suspicious of strangers than if it had never happened to her. Those of us who work daily with copyrights, and are thus involved with its discussion on a daily basis (especially since there's just been a very active thread on the same topic on another list, where a subscriber was boasting to the list about how often he infringed upon copyrights without getting caught) are also sensitive to copyright issues. Jim O'Briant Bayside Music Press Gilroy, CA From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:47 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:39:42 -0600 From: "Kenneth Dowdy" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Big Band scores Message-ID: <000601bf6154$e75c5b80$1e1d0f3f@default> Earlier I wrote: My mom used to tell me that only the >dishonest always see dishonesty in others. I am not inferring that anyone on this list is dishonest, particularly not the authors of earlier posts. After a few experiences that I have had recently that I won't go into here, I am just sick of suspicious people. I probably should not have written what I did and apologize if I hurt anyone's feelings because of it. Ken Dowdy From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:47 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:52:36 -0600 From: "Eric Edwards" To: "Trombone-L(posts)" Subject: RE:slide cleaning & tuning slides Message-ID: <009501bf6156$b2bee580$b631aec7@Flashnet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all regarding slide cleaning, I use cheese cloth, easily bought at fabric stores and relatively inexpensive. Use a piece about 8 to 10 inches wide and 4 to 5 feet long. I keep it long so that I can have a sure grip on the cloth when I pull it out of the tube. Make sure you wrap the end so that the tip of the rod doesn't poke through the cloth, and be verrrrrrrry careful when pushing into the tube, you don't want to put a dent or worse yet a hole in the crook if the rod tears through the cloth. I put a rubber slide bumper on the end of my rod, this tends to keep the cloth from tearing. As for tuning slides, I have two preferences: Selmer T.Slide grease ( red, sticky stuff) also found as STP, and the Schilke Lanolin. I have found these to work the best for my customers and myself. Thanks Eric Bonearzt@mindspring.com From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:47 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:59:43 -0600 From: Listmonitor Trombone-L To: Trombone-L Subject: re. LET IT DIE Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" While the list monitor isn't a censor, there are points were judgement calls must be made. However, they can be done with a bit more tact than was used, and I apologize for the brusqueness of the earlier message. Should you desire to read all of the various and sundries about this story, visit http://www.brusseau.com/trombonel and search on the keyword "paolo" or "esperanza". LM From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:47 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:42:09 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: btheins@stratos.net Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: Trombone Slide Cream Message-ID: <200001180242.UAA19851@newton.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kewl! Do you know what the chemical makeup of that little bottle of SOM is? Mike At 07:04 PM 1/17/00 , you wrote: >Hello All >Ran out of the Conn silicone. Used the little bottle of SOM with >Trombotine--Worked great for me! >Tony Heins > >DenBlose@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 01/17/2000 11:08:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, >> astro@pconline.com writes: >> >> > At 06:15 AM 1/17/00 , you wrote: >> > >In a message dated 01/16/2000 1:12:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> > >astro@pconline.com writes: >> > > >> > >> I use Trombotine with a >> > >> little twist. Conn makes slide cream called Formula 3 that comes with >> a >> > >> > >> small >> > >> bottle of silicone (a polymer which is a mixture of silicon and oxygen >> > >atoms) >> > >> >> > >> that is intended to be used with the cream. I, however, use it with >> the >> > >> trombotine instead. >> > > >> > >Mike, >> > > >> > >What a great idea!! I had been using Slide-O-Mix and found it to be >> great >> > >initially, but it seemed to "dry out" rather quickly. Yesterday I cleaned >> > my >> > >slide and tried your method with great results. I had a three hour >> > rehearsal >> > >last night, and didn't mist a single time. Thanks so much for sharing >> your >> > >> > >experiment. One question though, since my supply on the Conn silicone is >> > >limited, and I've got an abundance of the SOM, I was wondering if the >> small >> > >> > >bottle SOM would work equally well with the Trombotine? >> > > >> > >Dennis >> > > >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Re: Trombone Slide Cream >> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:07:48 -0600 >> From: Mike Coyle >> To: DenBlose@aol.com >> >> Dennis, >> >> Glad it worked for you! I'm not sure what the chemical makeup of >> Slide-O-Mix is. If the small bottle is silicone it would probably work, >> but, the company always cautions not to mix SOM with any other creams. It >> causes everything to get very gummy and sluggish. That's why you have to >> clean the slide several times before even using SOM if you have been using >> a cream lubricant. I would be hesitant to try mix either part of SOM with >> trombotine - I'll try to find out what the small bottle contains though and >> if I find out I'll let you know. >> >> You might want to share your success with the list. I have tried top turn >> others on to trombotine and formula 3 but I think most people were scared >> to try it :) >> >> Mike >> >> At 06:15 AM 1/17/00 , you wrote: >> >In a message dated 01/16/2000 1:12:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> >astro@pconline.com writes: >> > >> >> I use Trombotine with a >> >> little twist. Conn makes slide cream called Formula 3 that comes with a >> >> small >> >> bottle of silicone (a polymer which is a mixture of silicon and oxygen >> >atoms) >> >> >> >> that is intended to be used with the cream. I, however, use it with the >> >> trombotine instead. >> > >> >Mike, >> > >> >What a great idea!! I had been using Slide-O-Mix and found it to be great >> >initially, but it seemed to "dry out" rather quickly. Yesterday I cleaned >> my >> >slide and tried your method with great results. I had a three hour >> rehearsal >> >last night, and didn't mist a single time. Thanks so much for sharing your >> >experiment. One question though, since my supply on the Conn silicone is >> >limited, and I've got an abundance of the SOM, I was wondering if the small >> >bottle SOM would work equally well with the Trombotine? >> > >> >Dennis >> > > From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:47 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:50:38 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Yamaha bass trombone model numbers and features Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 7:09 PM -0500 1/17/00, John Lavoie wrote: > > From what I can tell, the 622 is nearly the same as a 613H, only >dependent and the second valve is detatchable. Actually, they are quite different, they have totally different slides, and are made on completely different bell mandrels among other things. -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:47 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:52:40 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Big Band scores Message-ID: <200001180253.UAA20548@newton.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >My mom used to tell me that only the >>dishonest always see dishonesty in others. > >I am not inferring that anyone on this list is dishonest, particularly not >the authors of earlier posts. After a few experiences that I have had >recently that I won't go into here, I am just sick of suspicious people. I >probably should not have written what I did and apologize if I hurt anyone's >feelings because of it. > >Ken Dowdy Your mom sounds ok to me :) My mom was incarcerated in a maximum security prison when I was born, and I learned by negative example, that's why I am such a saint now :) (kidding, in case you couldn't tell) I don't think anyone was seriously pointing the finger on this issue but it seems to have gotten mildly out of hand. I appreciate the info from James and I appreciate the support of Ken and Brandon. If I ever meet Gary Maxwell I will have to bop him over the head with a frozen carp though ;-) Kiddin' Gary, you're ok in my book too! Mike From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:47 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:54:37 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: looking for a peashooter Message-ID: <200001180255.UAA20682@newton.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anybody out there have a great li'l peashooter they wanna sell? I'm in the market. Mike From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:47 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:00:15 EST From: Amtrombone@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: What to Buy Message-ID: <6c.fc5b15.25b5313f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HI I am a teenager playing on a Bach 42G. it is a great instrument and i still want to use it but i feel like there is something better for me. What do you recommend? I have played on a few Edward's and loved them.Thanks everyone Alexis From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:47 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:24:25 PST From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: practicing with ear plugs Message-ID: <20000118032425.62889.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Dear List, I don't know who on the list was plugging using ear plugs, while practicing, to better hear intonation and articulation, but I tried it last weekend and loved it. Whoever suggested it, Thank you ever so much. I intend to make it a regular part of my practicing. After 27 years of lagato oboe playing, I've gotten sloppy with my articulation. It works to just wiggle your fingers, on oboe/English horn, to change notes. It doesn't work to just move the slide on a trombone...and so I've developed the bad habbit of ocassionally getting "articulation" by interrupting the air flow in my lungs...Bad, bad, bad. Ear plugs make it so obvious, when I'm not tonguing, that I got to work on the problem and the results sound much better. Thank again, whoever you are. DanP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:47 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:30:04 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: brass@quartz.gly.fsu.edu, Trombone-L Subject: Trombone Mouthpieces and Parts For Sale Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm scraping the $$s together for a new instrument, and have to do a bit more housecleaning: Doug Elliott LB Series Bass Trombone Mouthpiece Rim: Gold 112 Cup: L Shank: L8 Condition: Near mint Price: $95 including shipping (new retail is $145) This one plays great - slightly bigger than a Schilke 59. Doug Elliott SB series Bass Trombone Mouthpiece Rim: Silver Wide 108 Cup: J Shank: J8 Condition: Very Good Price: $65 including shipping (new retail is $130) This is very similar to a Bach 1-1/2G Doug Elliott LT series Tenor Trombone Rims Lexan LT 99 Silver LT 99 Condition: Mint $25 each or $40 for both, including shipping (new retail is $30 each) I will pay shipping anywhere in the US. E-mail if you're outside the US for shipping and payment info. I also have a Macintosh Quadra 950 w/PowerPC Upgrade - e-mail for details. Thanks! Chris _________________________________________ Chris Waage chris@trombone.org Associate Webmaster The Online Trombone Journal http://www.trombone.org From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:47 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:36:26 -0500 From: "Steve Beck" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Big Band scores Message-ID: <005301bf6165$395c3a80$c3300923@becks.cl.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The following is based on a true story related to me privately. I have permission to spill the beans and I am not going to protect the innocent except that I will not reveal the true identity of the fish! From: Mike Coyle>If I ever meet Gary Maxwell I will have to bop him over the head with a frozen carp though ;-) Gary, if I were you I would be very afraid. I have it on good authority (right from the fishies mouth as it were) that Mike has a huge frozen fish which must weight -counting the meat it chewed off Mike's fingers - enough to cause a serious head wound. This fish has survived a punt, pass and kick contest from a certain angry trombonist who I bet will never poke his slide hand inside a fish again. (Mike, in Michigan we just ice fish, we don't wrestle the darn things.) I agonized how to make this trombone related and then realized that although the fish was not a tenor, it might have been a bass. From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:48 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:45:01 EST From: Trmbman@aol.com To: NHSGrizzly16@aol.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Jazz & Improv Message-ID: <21.5ffeac.25b53bbd@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try the Abersol Books Vol. 1, 21, 24 and 42 are all good books they come with enough exercises to last you for quite a while. Also get the book that has the turnarounds in it. I believe it is Vol. 3. That should get you started. Trombone and Euphonium Player Visit my Webpage at Http://Wactrm.tripod.com or contact me at Trmbman@aol.com From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:48 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:58:09 -0800 From: Larry White Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Book titles Message-ID: <3883F2E0.13983D97@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Test, Test Monday Jan 17 99 From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:48 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:58:15 -0800 From: David Oliver To: astro@pconline.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Fwd: Trombone Slide Cream Message-ID: <388400F6.4BC83C5E@access1.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Indeed! The big bottle is "natural oil based soap" and the small bottle is "silicone fluid". I don't have the patent number handy, but it is out there. I have a printout in my pile. I was going through the big bottle faster, but have switched to two drops on each inner slide from the small bottle (instead of one). We'll see what happens. I've been on the list for over 3 years now, and I know many of the other "old timers" are going "oh no, not again", but I understand that many newer listers just don't know. I actually wish that they'd get away from the natural oil based stuff for the big bottle and go to a "synthetic" oil based soap if such a thing is possible. My big bottle tends to break down and lose viscosity after a while. David Oliver Westminster, Colorado USA Mike Coyle wrote: > Kewl! Do you know what the chemical makeup of that little bottle of SOM is? > > Mike > > At 07:04 PM 1/17/00 , you wrote: > >Hello All > >Ran out of the Conn silicone. Used the little bottle of SOM with > >Trombotine--Worked great for me! > >Tony Heins > > > >DenBlose@aol.com wrote: > > > >> In a message dated 01/17/2000 11:08:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, > >> astro@pconline.com writes: > >> > >> > At 06:15 AM 1/17/00 , you wrote: > >> > >In a message dated 01/16/2000 1:12:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >> > >astro@pconline.com writes: > >> > > > >> > >> I use Trombotine with a > >> > >> little twist. Conn makes slide cream called Formula 3 that comes > with > >> a > >> > > >> > >> small > >> > >> bottle of silicone (a polymer which is a mixture of silicon and > oxygen > >> > >atoms) > >> > >> > >> > >> that is intended to be used with the cream. I, however, use it with > >> the > >> > >> trombotine instead. > >> > > > >> > >Mike, > >> > > > >> > >What a great idea!! I had been using Slide-O-Mix and found it to be > >> great > >> > >initially, but it seemed to "dry out" rather quickly. Yesterday I > cleaned > >> > my > >> > >slide and tried your method with great results. I had a three hour > >> > rehearsal > >> > >last night, and didn't mist a single time. Thanks so much for sharing > >> your > >> > > >> > >experiment. One question though, since my supply on the Conn > silicone is > >> > >limited, and I've got an abundance of the SOM, I was wondering if the > >> small > >> > > >> > >bottle SOM would work equally well with the Trombotine? > >> > > > >> > >Dennis > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> Subject: Re: Trombone Slide Cream > >> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:07:48 -0600 > >> From: Mike Coyle > >> To: DenBlose@aol.com > >> > >> Dennis, > >> > >> Glad it worked for you! I'm not sure what the chemical makeup of > >> Slide-O-Mix is. If the small bottle is silicone it would probably work, > >> but, the company always cautions not to mix SOM with any other creams. It > >> causes everything to get very gummy and sluggish. That's why you have to > >> clean the slide several times before even using SOM if you have been using > >> a cream lubricant. I would be hesitant to try mix either part of SOM with > >> trombotine - I'll try to find out what the small bottle contains though and > >> if I find out I'll let you know. > >> > >> You might want to share your success with the list. I have tried top turn > >> others on to trombotine and formula 3 but I think most people were scared > >> to try it :) > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> At 06:15 AM 1/17/00 , you wrote: > >> >In a message dated 01/16/2000 1:12:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >> >astro@pconline.com writes: > >> > > >> >> I use Trombotine with a > >> >> little twist. Conn makes slide cream called Formula 3 that comes > with a > >> >> small > >> >> bottle of silicone (a polymer which is a mixture of silicon and oxygen > >> >atoms) > >> >> > >> >> that is intended to be used with the cream. I, however, use it with > the > >> >> trombotine instead. > >> > > >> >Mike, > >> > > >> >What a great idea!! I had been using Slide-O-Mix and found it to be great > >> >initially, but it seemed to "dry out" rather quickly. Yesterday I cleaned > >> my > >> >slide and tried your method with great results. I had a three hour > >> rehearsal > >> >last night, and didn't mist a single time. Thanks so much for sharing > your > >> >experiment. One question though, since my supply on the Conn silicone is > >> >limited, and I've got an abundance of the SOM, I was wondering if the > small > >> >bottle SOM would work equally well with the Trombotine? > >> > > >> >Dennis > >> > > > From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:48 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:01:06 -0800 From: David Oliver To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Fwd: Trombone Slide Cream Message-ID: <388401A2.7F37D60F@access1.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry about leaving all the other messages attached. I'm usually more careful. David Westminster, CO David Oliver wrote: > Indeed! The big bottle is "natural oil based soap" ... From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:48 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:07:00 -0800 From: " Dan Cloutier" To: daniel_pliskin@hotmail.com Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: practicing with ear plugs Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:24:25 Daniel Pliskin wrote: >I don't know who on the list was plugging >using ear plugs, while practicing, to better >hear intonation and articulation, but I tried >it last weekend and loved it. > >Whoever suggested it, Thank you ever so much. >I intend to make it a regular part of my >practicing. You're welcome! Glad to help. --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:48 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:18:34 -0600 From: "Kurt Winikka" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: How old is yours (was Trombone Slide Cream) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, I am STILL using the same tube of trombotine that I purchased in ~1969. I have never used anything else since buying it, and I still have quite a bit left (more than half). [Nevermind that in the meantime the horn and the trombotine sat unused for a stretch of about 20 years.] And on the subject of tuning slide grease... After Doug Yeo's recommendation of the Dow products, I purchased a tube of the Dow Corning 111 Valve Lubricant and Sealant Compound. Judging by the size of the tube, and how often I need to apply it, it should last for several generations after I've gone to that great trombone choir in the sky. - Kurt -----Original Message----- ... Anybody out there got a longer slide cream story? (Archive searched: no long slide cream stories found! :-)) The stuff just won't go away! From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:48 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:21:15 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Big Fish scores Message-ID: <200001180522.XAA30896@newton.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Gary, if I were you I would be very afraid. I have it on good authority >(right from the fishies mouth as it were) that Mike has a huge frozen fish >which must weight -counting the meat it chewed off Mike's fingers - enough >to cause a serious head wound. This fish has survived a punt, pass and kick >contest from a certain angry trombonist who I bet will never poke his slide >hand inside a fish again. (Mike, in Michigan we just ice fish, we don't >wrestle the darn things.) > >I agonized how to make this trombone related and then realized that although >the fish was not a tenor, it might have been a bass. GROANNNNNNNNNNNNNN :) I should have known if anyone out there could make a tenuous connection between the trombone and my being ruthlessly attacked by a nasty northern bass, it would be Mr. Beck! The doctor says I should be playing again in no time, the fish however will not recover (from suffocating or from my angry punt). He is currently hard as a rock in our freezer :) MC From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:48 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:54:53 -0700 From: Dave Tall To: Mvaresc1@ic3.ithaca.edu, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: microphones and mutes Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000117235453.00a41210@mail.sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The last time I saw Ray Anderson, he was using a mike on a clip which extended the mike about 6 or 8 inches from the bell, leaving him room to play with mutes, plunger, etc. I didn't speak to him about where he got the clip, etc, but there is something out there that can at least be adapted for this purpose. Think of it as a small gooseneck (although it wasn't strictly a gooseneck) which clips to the bell and holds the mike out several inches from the bell. Dave Tall Bass Trombonist New Mexico Symphony From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:48 2000 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:11:27 -0700 From: Dave Tall To: Tbcwes@aol.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Any Tips on how to master circular breathing? Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000118001127.00a43310@mail.sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:42 AM 01/17/2000 EST, Tbcwes@aol.com wrote: >I learned with a glass of soda and a straw! > >It is quite simple really. Here's what I do... > >Play as normal. When nearing 3/4 empty inflate the cheeks with air. The only >tricky part of inhaling only through the nose and deflating the cheeks at the >same time. Careful if you actually use a glass of water. 1) Don't inhale the >water and 2) Don't play forte in the glass ;-) Remember, the bubbles must >remain constant or the pitch with dip when you use the technique with your >horn. I've also used a method where you fill up your mouth with water (with expanded cheeks filled with water too) and force the water out of an embouchure-like setting. It's best to do this in a sink ;) Don't let the water dribble out; have it come out in a stream. This gives you good visual feedback as to the continuity of the stream being forced out with the cheeks (and tongue). After you master this, breathe in AND out through the nose as you are spitting water into the sink. This helps you understand that the mechanisms are completely separate. When this is comfortable, go to the horn. Start by taking a full breath, playing a middle F or middle Bb, and letting your cheeks fill with air. Figure out how to keep the note going with just air being pushed out of the cheeks. The tone will probably change color and collapse, and the pitch may drop or rise; that's OK at first. Once you can keep the note going for a half second or so with the air from the cheeks, add the breath in through the nose. Reestablish the air coming from the lungs before the air in the cheeks is all gone. This is of course easier on smaller instruments, and in higher ranges, due to the lower flow rates. The higher the flow rate for the note, the less time you have to get air in through your nose. It may take time to get the mental and physical coordination of the change from cheek air to lung air. Once the mechanism is established, practice will be required to minimize/eliminate the change of color in the sound and change in pitch when going from lung air to cheek air and back. This is the hardest part of circular breathing, IMO. It's also easiest in the middle ranges; begin working there first. When using it "in battle", don't always wait until you are 3/4 empty. Listen to the sounds around you and figure out when the best time to "hide" it is based on the orchestration. Sometimes you may take a full breath, use 1/4 of it, circular breathe, and then have that tankful take you to the end of the long note. Sometimes the best time may be to catch a circular breath when you're almost out of air. You'll figure this out by experience, and by listening to what's going on around you. I do use this technique in the orchestra. It's handy for guys like me who forgot to grow to 6'10" and have 8.5 liter lung capacity. Dave Tall Bass Trombonist New Mexico Symphony From ???@??? Wed Jan 19 09:40:48 2000 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:13:07 -0700 From: Dave Tall To: "Chuck De Paolo" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Duets Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000118001307.007b9100@mail.sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:51 AM 01/17/2000 -0500, Chuck De Paolo wrote: >> > Are there any good trombone clarinet duet books? > >A classic trombone-clarinet duet (with piano) is WIlliam Presser's "Jorepi". >I've not heard it performed, but many have said it's a good piece. Catalog >number is 28385 @ $5 in our catalog. > It's no masterpiece, but it's OK. There is a section where the players may exchange instruments and play the other instrument. I honestly can't recall whether we did this when I did it on my sophmore recital or not. Dave Tall Bass Trombonist New Mexico Symphony