TROMBONE-L Digest 1572 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Trombone Slide Cream by SOB 3:16 2) Re: Jazz Trumpet Summit in Chicago - FWIW by Nick Drozdoff 3) solo literature by "Adolphus Sprott" 4) recital by "Adolphus Sprott" 5) Re: Originality and We love music! by Mike Coyle 6) Re: Originality and We love music! by Mike Coyle 7) Re: Adrian by "Gary Maxwell" 8) Re: Trombone Slide Cream by Mike Coyle 9) Re: recital by j.grisham@pmail.net (Josh Grisham) 10) RE: How old is yours (was Trombone Slide Cream) by "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" 11) Re: Trombone Slide Cream by Feneley 12) Re: How old is yours (was Trombone Slide Cream) by "Steve Beck" 13) Re: How old is yours (was Trombone Slide Cream) by "Gary Maxwell" 14) Re: Originality and We love music! by "Aaron Roth" 15) Re: by Larry White 16) Re: Adrian by Larry White 17) Re: How old is yours (was Trombone Slide Cream) by Larry White 18) Olds Recording Trombone? Or What? by MBennetts@aol.com 19) Re: Trombone Slide Cream by Amtrombone@aol.com 20) Re: How old is yours (was Trombone Slide Cream) by "Gary Maxwell" 21) Tenor Trombone by FOpal@aol.com 22) Re: Olds Recording Trombone? Or What? by "Kenneth Dowdy" 23) Jazz & Improv by NHSGrizzly16@aol.com 24) Re: How old is yours (was Trombone Slide Cream) by "Joe L. Norcross" 25) Re: How old is yours (was Trombone Slide Cream) by "Gary Maxwell" 26) Re: by "Tom Izzo" 27) Re: Tenor Trombone by PAUL LUKAS 28) note permutation calcs by Mike Coyle 29) Dendrochronology (was: How old is yours) by Mike Coyle 30) 'The Iron Giant' by Dave Burch 31) Alisyn by SOB 3:16 32) Valve/Slide Double Case? by SlideH@aol.com 33) Taking a poll by JennWhaa@aol.com 34) Re: Taking a poll by Tbcwes@aol.com 35) Regarding the List Monitor by Listmonitor Trombone-L 36) Where to buy Mic's? by Beth Lewis 37) Re: Dallas Opera Results by Eric and Candice Swanson 38) LIST MONITOR by Mike Coyle 39) Re: note permutation calcs and Re: List Monitor by "Aaron Roth" 40) Lloyd Ulyate In Denver Soon? by David Oliver 41) Re: Regarding the List Monitor by Larry White 42) Re: Where to buy Mic's? by Larry White 43) Adrians book title by Charles 44) Re: Jazz & Improv by Bodie Pfost From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:22 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 09:20:49 -0500 From: SOB 3:16 Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombone Slide Cream Message-ID: <3881D3C1.A5FD3B7@worldlynx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D5E6EA62268FACB1F6D498F0" Trombotine or Slide-O-Mix... I been hearing a lot of suggestions for Trombonetine, but I am not sure if I should switch from my slide-o-mix. Have any suggestions

Eric wrote:

 Greetings,I would prefer slide cream rather than cold cream.Many commercial slide creams retain their moisture longer than cold cream.So, theoretically, the slide would not have to be resprayed or have creamreapplied as much with the commercial stuff. Also, the commercial stuff comes in containers that fit in your case.I use a commercial combination of lubricants but have used cold creambefore.I'm currently using trombotine on the slide and G. Leblanc Holton slide concentrate w/water in the squirt bottle.
 
 From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:22 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 10:15:39 +0000 From: Nick Drozdoff To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Jazz Trumpet Summit in Chicago - FWIW Message-ID: <38819A4B.415C@interaccess.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, I realize this is a trombone list, but were all musicians here, and, I thought, perhaps, some of you might have some interest in this. This is about the music more than the instruments here. The subject listing describes the topic. Delete now and scroll ahead if you don't want to waste time with this. It is a little long. ND . . . Well, the January doldrums are here with avengence. Paying gigs are few and far between, thus affording some time to go out and LISTEN for a change. For Christmas, my wife bought me tickets to the Trumpet Summit at Orchestra Hall on Friday night. We really enjoyed the perfromance. There were some moments of jazz gold that I thought I'd comment on. The trumpeters were Hugh Ragin, Marcus Belgrave, Lew Soloff, Roy Hargrove, and Clark Terry. Ragin demonstrated a powerful tone, dazelling range and some respectable technique. Belgrave demonstrated a wealth of ideas owing to everyone from Harry Edison to Dizzy - a very smooth and lyrical performer. Soloff, a comsumate lead player, showed not only an impressive range, but a warm dark tone that was really unexpected. He also showed a marvelous sense of musical structure in his solos. However, in spite of the remarkable performances of these three, Terry and Hargrove really stole the show, for me. Hargrove showed a truly new and individual sense of style. People will be imitating him someday and quoting his licks. He is truly a wonderful trumpeter and trend setter. His musicianship is impressive for a younger player. Clark Terry, the designated spokesman for the five, was just amazing. As I sat there, for one moment, I thought he played a few cliche licks. Then I stopped my self. HE, CLARK TERRY, created those licks and cliches! I quote those ideas frequently when I play standard jazz styles. This is just another tribute to his mastery of trumpet and his seasoned consumate musicianship. His chops were great, his flexibility was great his technique was flawlwess and his flugelhorn tone was gorgeous! He has lost none of his musical spark with so-called advancing years. In fact, his experience really showed in every note he played. I would not have wanted to have been any of those other trumpeters when following after Clark in the solo sequence. They were all obviously deferential to him and not out of some sense of concern for his trouble with walking right now. It was obviously out of respect and awe for his unflagging ability. What a treat! On a positive note, I had heard that Clark Terry had to be wheeled out in a wheelchair on some concerts out east. In this performance, he walked out on stage on his own. He did have a little help from the others as his gait was slightly labored, but, neverthelss, he showed progress in his healing here. I was grateful for that as well. All in all, it was a wonderful eveing. There were a few moments during the performance when the stage was overwhelmed in grandstanding (with Soloff and Ragin leading the way in the high note contest), but this, by and large, was only for some fleeting moments. I was impressed with the level of taste that was shown here. FWIW, coming from me. Nick DRozdoff htto://www.mp3.com/NickDrozdoff From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:22 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 09:43:20 -0600 From: "Adolphus Sprott" To: "Trombone-L" Subject: solo literature Message-ID: <000601bf6038$a6f0d7a0$e6e2490c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BF6006.1F9CC020"
By Weston Sprott on Saturday, October 9, 1999 - 09:55 pm:

My trombone friends and I had a discussion the other night about solo literature for all instruments. We came to the conclusion that trombone is a great instrument but it has been deprived on the literature end of things. Many people that I know are seriously disappointed with the lack of great literature that has been written for trombone. Obviously, there are several great pieces out there but just not enough. Especially on this discussion, the same pieces keep coming up over and over again. Think of all the great stuff that has been written for trumpet, clarinet, and flute. Korsakov is the only major composer that wrote a trombone concerto. What do you guys think about the world of trombone literature? Is it lacking, or have I just not found the right stuff?

From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:22 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 09:44:34 -0600 From: "Adolphus Sprott" To: "Trombone-L" Subject: recital Message-ID: <000701bf6038$a8e861e0$e6e2490c@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BF6006.4B93A220"

Everyone,
I am a senior in high school, and as a sort of last hurrah I am going to have a solo recital in April or May. I'm really confused as to how I should select my repertoire for this kind of thing. Also, I want to play at least 45 min to an hour worth of music. Does anyone have suggestions about how to prepare several major works at one time? What type of selection do you think would be most enjoyable for the audience (family and friends, not musical critics)? I really want this to be good and I want it to be a special experience for myself and my audience. Any suggestions about any end of putting on a recital would be greatly appreciated.

From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:22 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 11:21:37 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: bassrange@hotmail.com Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Originality and We love music! Message-ID: <200001161721.LAA05486@newton.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >And I impudently remarked: >But there are many more!! Permutations of 24 taking 12 should yield an >astronomically higher quantity of possibilities than a mere permutation of >12 taking 12; I assume that a permutation would be in effect since the order >of the pitches is of significance. 36 P 12 would be even bigger. The factored answer to 24 posibilities is 620,448,401,933,239,439,360,000, (not many things in our "pracical" lives are calulated into the sextillions!) the calculation for 36 takes us way into scientific notation (3.7199332678990121746799944815084e+41). As the U.S. (land that I love) will not be going to a microtonal system for many generations I am content limiting myself to my measly 479,001,600 possibilities, thank you :) Besides, I do not have room for a 264 key piano in my music room! Mike > From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:22 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 11:23:15 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Originality and We love music! Message-ID: <200001161723.LAA05534@newton.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:59 PM 1/15/00 , you wrote: >What's all this 12 notes to the octave cr*p. Next ya'll are going to tell >me that A# is the same as Bb. Phooey!!! > >Sorry, I've just spent the last couple of hours transposing some di Lasso >cornetto duets into trombonees for one of my students. Its got me into a >real "mean tone" mood :-) It doesn't take much to shift you into "mean tone" mode, huh Ken? HAHAHA Sorry, couldn't resist M > >Ken Dowdy > >-----Original Message----- >From: Aaron Roth >To: Trombones and related issues forum. >Date: Saturday, January 15, 2000 7:51 PM >Subject: Re: Originality and We love music! > > >>I think it was Rodney Ellard who said: >>>>I am continually surprised and impressed at how much can be achieved >given >>>the limitations of using the same 12 notes (together with an infinite >>>variety of rhythm and timbres). That anyone can truly create an >"original" >>>work, in any style, is truly astounding. >>>> >> >>I said: >> Hey, why live limited to 12 notes to the octave? Why not 24? Or 36?? >>Therein lies one common limitation thus ameliorated by the discovery of >>quarter-tone harmony. >> >> >>Mike then said: >>>I get so excited thinking about musical possibility that I hyperventilate! >>>We all have nothing to worry about when it comes to originality and great >>>things to come. >> >> >>And Adrian retorted: >>>Wanna bet? I've just copyrighted every possible permutation. I'm now the >>>Bill Gates of musical composition. Thanx for the calculations. >> >> >>And I impudently remarked: >>But there are many more!! Permutations of 24 taking 12 should yield an >>astronomically higher quantity of possibilities than a mere permutation of >>12 taking 12; I assume that a permutation would be in effect since the >order >>of the pitches is of significance. 36 P 12 would be even bigger. >> >> By the way, is Bruce Tracy here? I responded to his post concerning >>bass trombone mouthpieces and received nothing in the last several days. >> -Aaron Roth >>______________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> > From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:22 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 10:10:30 -0800 From: "Gary Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Adrian Message-ID: <002701bf604c$fb1e2120$5b02a5d1@maxwells> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sunday, January 16, 2000 2:56 AM, Charlie wrote: Subject: Adrian > I think Adrian should compile a book of all his wonderful retorts and publish it. I'll buy the first copy! > > I actually look foward to and marvel at the cleverness of his postings. Isn't that exactly right? I'm not sure if anyone would ever be able to lift the book, but put me down for copy #2. Gary Maxwell Bass Trombone Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:22 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 12:11:09 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: Sobo@worldlynx.net Cc: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Trombone Slide Cream Message-ID: <200001161811.MAA07596@newton.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; types="text/plain,text/html"; boundary="=====================_6133290==_.ALT" I love this subject as I have an avid interest in physics and chemistry with a keen focus on adhesives and lubricants (you think this points up a polar disorder in me?).  I have experimented with many different products and combinations over the years and some have yielded good results.  Some were just short of disastrous!

It has been said many times before that the choice of slide lube is a very subjective thing, but I will offer my preference.  I use Trombotine with a  little twist.  Conn makes slide cream called Formula 3 that comes with a small bottle of silicone (a polymer which is a mixture of silicon and oxygen atoms) that is intended to be used with the cream.  I, however, use it with the trombotine instead.  Trombotine on its own is excellent.  It has enough cusioning to provide a nice smooth movement with no drag if used in small enough quantities (a little goes a lllllllllllllllllllong way).  The silicone, also used in very small amounts, seems to add a higher level of slickness, but, more important, it seems to make one application last forever!  I bought a tube of trombotine about a year ago and it looks as if nothing has been taken from it.  I had a friend who had a tube of trombotine for over ten years!  No planned obsolescence in that company!  I have already played for over 3 hours without even having to spray the slide with water.  I love the stuff.

Mike

At 08:20 AM 1/16/00 , you wrote:
Trombotine or Slide-O-Mix... I been hearing a lot of suggestions for Trombonetine, but I am not sure if I should switch from my slide-o-mix. Have any suggestions

Eric wrote:
Greetings,I would prefer slide cream rather than cold cream.Many commercial slide creams retain their moisture longer than cold cream.So, theoretically, the slide would not have to be resprayed or have creamreapplied as much with the commercial stuff. Also, the commercial stuff comes in containers that fit in your case.I use a commercial combination of lubricants but have used cold creambefore.I'm currently using trombotine on the slide and G. Leblanc Holton slide concentrate w/water in the squirt bottle.

From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:23 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 13:27:00 -0600 From: j.grisham@pmail.net (Josh Grisham) To: TROMBONE-L@LISTS.MISSOURI.EDU Subject: Re: recital Message-ID: <200001161927.NAA00819@po.missouri.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If anyone decides to respond to Weston Sprott's question, I would like to be let in on the info, as well, if you could be so kind. I do realize that I'm not the most talented of players, but I know that if I play with my heart then it will reflect on what the audience thinks about the performance, and I don't have to be the best to get it accross. So, please send me information as well, as I have been very interested in performing a recital this year, too. Thank you very much! --Josh Grisham <>< j.grisham@pmail.net >Everyone, >I am a senior in high school, and as a sort of last hurrah I am going to have a solo recital in April or May. I'm really confused as to how I should select my repertoire for this kind of thing. Also, I want to play at least 45 min to an hour worth of music. Does anyone have suggestions about how to prepare several major works at one time? What type of selection do you think would be most enjoyable for the audience (family and friends, not musical critics)? I really want this to be good and I want it to be a special experience for myself and my audience. Any suggestions about any end of putting on a recital would be greatly appreciated. From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:23 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 13:31:55 -0600 From: "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" To: "'astro@pconline.com'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: How old is yours (was Trombone Slide Cream) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain OK Mike, I can't resist! I was once flying home when the flight crew announced they had a give away! The passenger with the oldest most expired drivers license on the plane would win a bottle of champagne. Well, I knew federal law allowed me as a military person not living in my home state to not renew my drivers license. I was sure I was going to win that bottle of champagne, I could taste it. Well, I came in second to some lady from New Jersey. My license was 6 years out of date, she beat me by 10 more years! So here is the challenge. I have had a tube of Trombotine since 1976, still not used up, in fact I just gave it to my son to use as a starter (6th grade) so it is now on its SECOND GENERATION! I can prove this story as my son's instructor can vouch for the story. Anybody out there got a longer slide cream story? (Archive searched: no long slide cream stories found! :-)) The stuff just won't go away! Rick Marple San Antonio TX -----Original Message----- From: Mike Coyle [mailto:astro@pconline.com] Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 12:11 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Trombone Slide Cream I love this subject as I have an avid interest in physics and chemistry with a keen focus on adhesives and lubricants (you think this points up a polar disorder in me?). I have experimented with many different products and combinations over the years and some have yielded good results. Some were just short of disastrous! It has been said many times before that the choice of slide lube is a very subjective thing, but I will offer my preference. I use Trombotine with a little twist. Conn makes slide cream called Formula 3 that comes with a small bottle of silicone (a polymer which is a mixture of silicon and oxygen atoms) that is intended to be used with the cream. I, however, use it with the trombotine instead. Trombotine on its own is excellent. It has enough cusioning to provide a nice smooth movement with no drag if used in small enough quantities (a little goes a lllllllllllllllllllong way). The silicone, also used in very small amounts, seems to add a higher level of slickness, but, more important, it seems to make one application last forever! I bought a tube of trombotine about a year ago and it looks as if nothing has been taken from it. I had a friend who had a tube of trombotine for over ten years! No planned obsolescence in that company! I have already played for over 3 hours without even having to spray the slide with water. I love the stuff. Mike At 08:20 AM 1/16/00 , you wrote: Trombotine or Slide-O-Mix... I been hearing a lot of suggestions for Trombonetine, but I am not sure if I should switch from my slide-o-mix. Have any suggestions Eric wrote: Greetings,I would prefer slide cream rather than cold cream.Many commercial slide creams retain their moisture longer than cold cream.So, theoretically, the slide would not have to be resprayed or have creamreapplied as much with the commercial stuff. Also, the commercial stuff comes in containers that fit in your case.I use a commercial combination of lubricants but have used cold creambefore.I'm currently using trombotine on the slide and G. Leblanc Holton slide concentrate w/water in the squirt bottle. From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:23 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 15:15:11 -0500 From: Feneley To: TBone List Subject: Re: Trombone Slide Cream Message-ID: <388226CF.2BC46764@glccomputers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------283C01AA2DB1BA8EE4C5EF65" 
Trombotine or Slide-O-Mix... I been hearing a lot of suggestions for Trombonetine, but I am not sure if I should switch from
my slide-o-mix. Have any suggestions
Well, over a rather lengthy of trombone playing experiences I have used Pond's Cold Cream (great!), Oil (not worth the effort to apply), Trombontine (excellent), and Conn Superslick (also excellent). I have recently changed to Slide-O-Mix. This is just my opinion, but the last is unconditionally the best of the lot.

Ken Feneley
  From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:23 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 15:15:26 -0500 From: "Steve Beck" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: How old is yours (was Trombone Slide Cream) Message-ID: <000e01bf605e$6fd84520$510c0923@becks.cl.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Marple, Richard >>So here is the challenge. I have had a tube of Trombotine since 1976, Anybody out there got a longer >slide cream story? (Archive searched: no long slide cream stories found! Well lets see. I have a bottle of lemon pledge from 1975 does that count? ducking for cover, Steve From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:23 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 12:56:16 -0800 From: "Gary Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: How old is yours (was Trombone Slide Cream) Message-ID: <005b01bf6064$2275ba00$6500a5d1@maxwells> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey I just located my first bottle of Ponds Cold Cream my mom got for me in 1956 and there is still some in it! Beat that! Trombone relevance? I just tried some on my old Regent (first trmbn), it still works! Good stuff that Cold Cream. (:>)) Gary Maxwell +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Beck To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 12:15 PM Subject: Re: How old is yours (was Trombone Slide Cream) > From: Marple, Richard >>So here is the challenge. I have had a tube of > Trombotine since 1976, > Anybody out there got a longer >slide cream story? (Archive searched: no > long slide cream stories found! > > Well lets see. I have a bottle of lemon pledge from 1975 does that count? > > ducking for cover, > Steve > > From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:23 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 12:57:01 PST From: "Aaron Roth" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Cc: astro@pconline.com Subject: Re: Originality and We love music! Message-ID: <20000116205701.96495.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >The factored answer to 24 posibilities is 620,448,401,933,239,439,360,000, >(not many things in our "pracical" lives are calulated into the >sextillions!) the calculation for 36 takes us way into scientific notation >(3.7199332678990121746799944815084e+41). As the U.S. (land that I love) >will not be going to a microtonal system for many generations I am content >limiting myself to my measly 479,001,600 possibilities, thank you :) >Besides, I do not have room for a 264 key piano in my music room! > >Mike So therefore, if Adrian were to compyright all 479,001,600 permutations of the Western Chromatic scale, then I could copyright all 620,448,401,933,239,439,360,000 permutations of the quarter-tone scale minus the original 479,001,600, leaving for me exactly 620,448,401,933,238,960,358,400 possibilities. And how about this: I could take a permutation starting on C semi-sharp and proceeding upwards in semitones, thus having an exact reproduction of the Western Chromatic scale a quarter-tone higher than the original. I could then write with those tones transposing them down a quarter-step and thus have music that would look like it fell into Adrian's section while staying in mine. Heh heh heh, it's time to take over the world!!! -Aaron R. P.S. How about a double-decker piano? Or a Triple-decker? That'll add the extra notes without any problem...but how to play them with only two hands? hmmmm..... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:23 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 13:27:33 -0800 From: Larry White To: eang18@pacific.net.sg Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Message-ID: <388237C4.A95378E4@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin Thompson is a Canadian who plays over there I think in Malaysia. I will try and locate his web site. You might be able to find it from the Trombone list. Larry Eric wrote: > Greetings,Would like to know whether there're any trombonist > around aisa or singapore here?? From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:23 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 13:33:19 -0800 From: Larry White To: gdmaxwell@lightspeed.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Adrian Message-ID: <3882391F.E8CD475@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As an independant free enterprise sort, if you are able Adrian, will you give me exclusive distribution rights for the Americas; North, South, Central, and west of them! We have free trade here, but I am sure we can get around that! We also have a couple of 'fast ' ferries that just have been built but are going nowhere but into dry dock! Larry White Vancouver BC Gary Maxwell wrote: > On Sunday, January 16, 2000 2:56 AM, Charlie wrote: > Subject: Adrian > > > I think Adrian should compile a book of all his wonderful retorts and > publish it. I'll buy the first copy! > > > > I actually look foward to and marvel at the cleverness of his postings. > > Isn't that exactly right? I'm not sure if anyone would ever be able to lift > the book, but put me down for copy #2. > > Gary Maxwell > Bass Trombone > Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:23 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 13:37:53 -0800 From: Larry White To: Richard.Marple@CEN.AMEDD.ARMY.MIL Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: How old is yours (was Trombone Slide Cream) Message-ID: <38823A30.BE6BE683@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We here in this part of Canada believe in recyling. I have recyled slide cream from the ancient Canadians. I also have, now four generations of cream on my slide! It is going to be difficult to prove, unless someone wants to count the rings of it on my slide, like they count the rings on a tree. Do I Win? Larry White Vancouver BC "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" wrote: > OK Mike, I can't resist! > > > So here is the challenge. I have had a tube of Trombotine since 1976, still > not used up, in fact I just gave it to my son to use as a starter (6th > grade) so it is now on its SECOND GENERATION! I can prove this story as my > son's instructor can vouch for the story. Anybody out there got a longer > slide cream story? (Archive searched: no long slide cream stories found! > :-)) > > The stuff just won't go away! > > Rick Marple > San Antonio TX > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Coyle [mailto:astro@pconline.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 12:11 PM > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > Subject: Re: Trombone Slide Cream > > I love this subject as I have an avid interest in physics and chemistry with > a keen focus on adhesives and lubricants (you think this points up a polar > disorder in me?). I have experimented with many different products and > combinations over the years and some have yielded good results. Some were > just short of disastrous! > > It has been said many times before that the choice of slide lube is a very > subjective thing, but I will offer my preference. I use Trombotine with a > little twist. Conn makes slide cream called Formula 3 that comes with a > small bottle of silicone (a polymer which is a mixture of silicon and oxygen > atoms) that is intended to be used with the cream. I, however, use it with > the trombotine instead. Trombotine on its own is excellent. It has enough > cusioning to provide a nice smooth movement with no drag if used in small > enough quantities (a little goes a lllllllllllllllllllong way). The > silicone, also used in very small amounts, seems to add a higher level of > slickness, but, more important, it seems to make one application last > forever! I bought a tube of trombotine about a year ago and it looks as if > nothing has been taken from it. I had a friend who had a tube of trombotine > for over ten years! No planned obsolescence in that company! I have > already played for over 3 hours without even having to spray the slide with > water. I love the stuff. > > Mike > > At 08:20 AM 1/16/00 , you wrote: > > Trombotine or Slide-O-Mix... I been hearing a lot of suggestions for > Trombonetine, but I am not sure if I should switch from my slide-o-mix. Have > any suggestions > > Eric wrote: > > Greetings,I would prefer slide cream rather than cold cream.Many commercial > slide creams retain their moisture longer than cold cream.So, theoretically, > the slide would not have to be resprayed or have creamreapplied as much with > the commercial stuff. Also, the commercial stuff comes in containers that > fit in your case.I use a commercial combination of lubricants but have used > cold creambefore.I'm currently using trombotine on the slide and G. Leblanc > Holton slide concentrate w/water in the squirt bottle. From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:23 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 16:43:24 EST From: MBennetts@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Olds Recording Trombone? Or What? Message-ID: <1d.4b4a24.25b3957c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How would you rate the Olds Recording trombone in quality compared with professional quality small bore trombones? I am the original owner of an Olds Recording ca 1958 instrument, no f-attachment, dual bore .490/.510, with the fluted slide. I had the (very small) dents removed and a light relaquring done (perhaps a mistake) about 5 years ago. The slide has never had or needed any work done on it, though the plating is worn through in one small spot on the stocking (sp?).Until two months ago I thought it was the most wonderful trombone I could ever own, until I bought an almost-new Conn 88HTO (thanks Mike Brown) for large ensemble use. I have fallen head over heels in love with the Conn, which is the first professional-quality instrument I've ever laid my hands on. I keep thinking the Olds will have its applications, but every time I try it for any application (e.g., a couple of solo thingies for a group of us who get together for a "coffee house" every couple of months) I find I like the 88H better. Last night I was working on the two solos (Birth of the Blues and Rhapsody in Blue) and both my mother-in-law and my wife said the 88H sounded better. They're not trombonists, but they're good musicians with good musical taste. Without hearing the specific instrument, is it a good bet that the Olds Recording is just out of its league in such a comparison? If the Olds Recording is simply outclassed, and if I want to replace it with a professional quality small bore instrument at some reasonable price, what would be the best way to go? Mike Bennett ------------------- Trombones, a familiar presence in the opera house (their solemn tone symbolized the supernatural), had to wait until early in the 19th century to gain admission to the symphony orchestra. -- Ted Libbey in _The NPR Guide to Building a Classical CD Collection_ From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:24 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 16:54:23 EST From: Amtrombone@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Trombone Slide Cream Message-ID: <86.212aaa.25b3980f@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trombonetine is my favortie. It gets my slide in great condition and tends not to build up between the times i put my slide in a tub. From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:24 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 15:06:41 -0800 From: "Gary Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: How old is yours (was Trombone Slide Cream) Message-ID: <001901bf6076$5b387fa0$dc41a5d1@maxwells> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You know you have a great bunch when the early on liars don't stand a chance, but the battle rages on. (:>)) Gary Maxwell ps - BTW, I did not make the comment attributed to me concerning Adrian's soon to be announced book of "Quick Responses". It was Charles who has asked for book one. I'll be happy with book two. (:>)) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry White To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 1:37 PM Subject: Re: How old is yours (was Trombone Slide Cream) > We here in this part of Canada believe in recyling. I have recyled slide cream > from the ancient Canadians. I also have, now four generations of cream on my > slide! > It is going to be difficult to prove, unless someone wants to count the rings of > it on my slide, like they count the rings on a tree. > Do I Win? > Larry White > Vancouver BC > > "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" wrote: > > > OK Mike, I can't resist! > > > > > > So here is the challenge. I have had a tube of Trombotine since 1976, still > > not used up, in fact I just gave it to my son to use as a starter (6th > > grade) so it is now on its SECOND GENERATION! I can prove this story as my > > son's instructor can vouch for the story. Anybody out there got a longer > > slide cream story? (Archive searched: no long slide cream stories found! > > :-)) > > > > The stuff just won't go away! > > > > Rick Marple > > San Antonio TX > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mike Coyle [mailto:astro@pconline.com] > > Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 12:11 PM > > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > > Subject: Re: Trombone Slide Cream > > > > I love this subject as I have an avid interest in physics and chemistry with > > a keen focus on adhesives and lubricants (you think this points up a polar > > disorder in me?). I have experimented with many different products and > > combinations over the years and some have yielded good results. Some were > > just short of disastrous! > > > > It has been said many times before that the choice of slide lube is a very > > subjective thing, but I will offer my preference. I use Trombotine with a > > little twist. Conn makes slide cream called Formula 3 that comes with a > > small bottle of silicone (a polymer which is a mixture of silicon and oxygen > > atoms) that is intended to be used with the cream. I, however, use it with > > the trombotine instead. Trombotine on its own is excellent. It has enough > > cusioning to provide a nice smooth movement with no drag if used in small > > enough quantities (a little goes a lllllllllllllllllllong way). The > > silicone, also used in very small amounts, seems to add a higher level of > > slickness, but, more important, it seems to make one application last > > forever! I bought a tube of trombotine about a year ago and it looks as if > > nothing has been taken from it. I had a friend who had a tube of trombotine > > for over ten years! No planned obsolescence in that company! I have > > already played for over 3 hours without even having to spray the slide with > > water. I love the stuff. > > > > Mike > > > > At 08:20 AM 1/16/00 , you wrote: > > > > Trombotine or Slide-O-Mix... I been hearing a lot of suggestions for > > Trombonetine, but I am not sure if I should switch from my slide-o-mix. Have > > any suggestions > > > > Eric wrote: > > > > Greetings,I would prefer slide cream rather than cold cream.Many commercial > > slide creams retain their moisture longer than cold cream.So, theoretically, > > the slide would not have to be resprayed or have creamreapplied as much with > > the commercial stuff. Also, the commercial stuff comes in containers that > > fit in your case.I use a commercial combination of lubricants but have used > > cold creambefore.I'm currently using trombotine on the slide and G. Leblanc > > Holton slide concentrate w/water in the squirt bottle. > From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:24 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 18:06:58 EST From: FOpal@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Tenor Trombone Message-ID: <54.85b41f.25b3a912@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I currently play a Olds Superstar trombone (with F-att) that has a 547 and 525(not sure) dual bore slide. I love the way it sounds but I need to get a stronger one for a deeper sound etc. Plus I know that if I am playing on a bigger trombone I will improve faster also, and have a stronger lower range. I picked up my friends bass trombone and tryed playin on it and I loved the way the low notes came out stronger and with more volume. So I guess what Im lookin for is a trombone that could hold a strong sounds volume wise, have finese (appearance and playing), and has a wider bore (preferably the widest a tenor can have). I definatly need an F attachment. Thanx a bunch.. All opinions welcome. I was hoping to spend no more than about $2000 or so. Thanx fellow tbones, Frank Opal From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:24 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 17:49:03 -0600 From: "Kenneth Dowdy" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Olds Recording Trombone? Or What? Message-ID: <001a01bf607c$471a9980$66180f3f@default> Mike, Like so much in this world, it is all a matter of opinion. The Conn and the Olds will sound different, and if you like the sound of the Conn, then it will sound better. I, on the other hand, prefer the sound of the Olds (at least the ones that I have heard). So, I really don't think that there is a correct answer to your question. If you are looking for a good small bore, you have one. Otherwise, try out a King 2B, King 3B, or any or the small bore pro Conns (6H, 48H, 100H) and see if you like them. Then securely package the Olds and send it to me where I assure you that it will be fawned over and given much TLC. Ken Dowdy -----Original Message----- From: MBennetts@aol.com To: Trombones and related issues forum. Date: Sunday, January 16, 2000 3:44 PM Subject: Olds Recording Trombone? Or What? >How would you rate the Olds Recording trombone in quality compared with >professional quality small bore trombones? > >I am the original owner of an Olds Recording ca 1958 instrument, no >f-attachment, dual bore .490/.510, with the fluted slide. I had the (very >small) dents removed and a light relaquring done (perhaps a mistake) about 5 >years ago. The slide has never had or needed any work done on it, though the >plating is worn through in one small spot on the stocking (sp?).Until two >months ago I thought it was the most wonderful trombone I could ever own, >until I bought an almost-new Conn 88HTO (thanks Mike Brown) for large >ensemble use. I have fallen head over heels in love with the Conn, which is >the first professional-quality instrument I've ever laid my hands on. > >I keep thinking the Olds will have its applications, but every time I try it >for any application (e.g., a couple of solo thingies for a group of us who >get together for a "coffee house" every couple of months) I find I like the >88H better. Last night I was working on the two solos (Birth of the Blues >and Rhapsody in Blue) and both my mother-in-law and my wife said the 88H >sounded better. They're not trombonists, but they're good musicians with good >musical taste. > >Without hearing the specific instrument, is it a good bet that the Olds >Recording is just out of its league in such a comparison? If the Olds >Recording is simply outclassed, and if I want to replace it with a >professional quality small bore instrument at some reasonable price, what >would be the best way to go? > >Mike Bennett >------------------- >Trombones, a familiar presence in the opera house (their solemn tone >symbolized the supernatural), had to wait until early in the 19th century to >gain admission to the symphony orchestra. >-- >Ted Libbey in _The NPR Guide to Building a Classical CD Collection_ From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:24 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:22:04 EST From: NHSGrizzly16@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Jazz & Improv Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello! I'm a high school soph. In September, I started playing trombone. After a month, I tried out for all-region jazz band.....and made it. I can play well (I'm guessing because I'm an excellent euphonium player). But, I want to expand my knowledge of jazz music. I want to buy a jazz method book and some play along books for improvisational studies. Do any of you have some good suggestions of some good method books? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanx! ~*~Kristina~*~ NHS Symphonic Band (Euphonium) Jazz Band (Trombone) Pianist From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:24 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 16:27:03 -0800 From: "Joe L. Norcross" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: How old is yours (was Trombone Slide Cream) Message-ID: <00c501bf6081$94b68320$04000005@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I still have a glass bottle of slide oil ______________________________________ Joe L. Norcross Tuba, Sequoia Winds, Visalia British Brass Band Tuba and Announcer, Kingsburg City Band joetuba@lightspeed.net From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:25 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 16:32:06 -0800 From: "Gary Maxwell" To: "Joe L. Norcross" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: How old is yours (was Trombone Slide Cream) Message-ID: <001a01bf6082$49860c80$3841a5d1@maxwells> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is that with the dropper or pipe cleaner applicator? Gary Maxwell ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe L. Norcross To: ; Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 4:27 PM Subject: Re: How old is yours (was Trombone Slide Cream) > I still have a glass bottle of slide oil > ______________________________________ > Joe L. Norcross > Tuba, Sequoia Winds, Visalia British Brass Band > Tuba and Announcer, Kingsburg City Band > joetuba@lightspeed.net > > > From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:25 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:50:40 -0600 From: "Tom Izzo" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Message-ID: <001b01bf608d$42cab7a0$2975dfd0@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One for Adrian.... > Eric wrote: > > > Greetings,Would like to know whether there're any trombonist > > around aisa or singapore here?? Now let's see, if he/she/they are in Asia or Singapore, then he/she, they wouldn't be "here". AND....isn't Singapore IN Asia? Just checking my memory of Geography. Tom :-) > > From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:25 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:07:00 -0600 From: PAUL LUKAS To: FOpal@aol.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Tenor Trombone Message-ID: <38826B34.56F48D80@bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FOpal@aol.com wrote: > > I currently play a Olds Superstar trombone (with F-att) that has a 547 and > 525(not sure) dual bore slide. I love the way it sounds but I need to get a > stronger one for a deeper sound etc. Plus I know that if I am playing on a > bigger trombone I will improve faster also, and have a stronger lower range. > > I picked up my friends bass trombone and tryed playin on it and I loved > the way the low notes came out stronger and with more volume. So I guess > what Im lookin for is a trombone that could hold a strong sounds volume wise, > have finese (appearance and playing), and has a wider bore (preferably the > widest a tenor can have). I definatly need an F attachment. Thanx a bunch.. > All opinions welcome. I was hoping to spend no more than about $2000 or so. > > Thanx fellow tbones, > > Frank Opal I play an Olds Superstar and love it for playing jazz. It is small bore (I think .495/.505), has an F-attachment. The sound is very bright...definitely NOT an orchestral horn as they are defined today. But I HAVE used it in orchestra without problems. I recommend a Blessing B88 (.547 bore) for you, if you feel that you need a larger tenor. (But I don't suppose that you NEED it. Just WANT it.) -- E. PAUL LUKAS TROMBONIST, PUBLICIST BARTLETT COMMUNITY CONCERT BAND MEMPHIS, TENNESSEE USA PAULEL9@BELLSOUTH.NET From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:25 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:43:40 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: note permutation calcs Message-ID: <200001170143.TAA26847@newton.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Folks, please keep in mind that I was thinking in terms of serialized music when doing sequencing calculations for the tone row (consisting of 12, 24 or 36 notes). Steve Beck wrote to me complaining that my numbers were way low if I was talking about all the notes of our chromatic scale used in every possible permutation. I considered doing that calc but came to my senses and realized that trombone-l just doesn't pay well enough for me to do that kind of work :) MiKe. PS I'm glad to know that someone is reading my posts though :) Thanks Steve! From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:25 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:46:36 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Dendrochronology (was: How old is yours) Message-ID: <200001170146.TAA26983@newton.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Larry, I don't think that dendrchronology would work the same way on residual build-up that it does on trees! If you haven't cleaned your slide in four generations, however, you deserve some sort of award none-the-less! :) Mike C At 03:37 PM 1/16/00 , you wrote: >We here in this part of Canada believe in recyling. I have recyled slide cream >from the ancient Canadians. I also have, now four generations of cream on my >slide! >It is going to be difficult to prove, unless someone wants to count the rings of >it on my slide, like they count the rings on a tree. >Do I Win? >Larry White >Vancouver BC > >"Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" wrote: > >> OK Mike, I can't resist! >> >> >> So here is the challenge. I have had a tube of Trombotine since 1976, still >> not used up, in fact I just gave it to my son to use as a starter (6th >> grade) so it is now on its SECOND GENERATION! I can prove this story as my >> son's instructor can vouch for the story. Anybody out there got a longer >> slide cream story? (Archive searched: no long slide cream stories found! >> :-)) >> >> The stuff just won't go away! >> >> Rick Marple >> San Antonio TX >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mike Coyle [mailto:astro@pconline.com] >> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 12:11 PM >> To: Trombones and related issues forum. >> Subject: Re: Trombone Slide Cream >> >> I love this subject as I have an avid interest in physics and chemistry with >> a keen focus on adhesives and lubricants (you think this points up a polar >> disorder in me?). I have experimented with many different products and >> combinations over the years and some have yielded good results. Some were >> just short of disastrous! >> >> It has been said many times before that the choice of slide lube is a very >> subjective thing, but I will offer my preference. I use Trombotine with a >> little twist. Conn makes slide cream called Formula 3 that comes with a >> small bottle of silicone (a polymer which is a mixture of silicon and oxygen >> atoms) that is intended to be used with the cream. I, however, use it with >> the trombotine instead. Trombotine on its own is excellent. It has enough >> cusioning to provide a nice smooth movement with no drag if used in small >> enough quantities (a little goes a lllllllllllllllllllong way). The >> silicone, also used in very small amounts, seems to add a higher level of >> slickness, but, more important, it seems to make one application last >> forever! I bought a tube of trombotine about a year ago and it looks as if >> nothing has been taken from it. I had a friend who had a tube of trombotine >> for over ten years! No planned obsolescence in that company! I have >> already played for over 3 hours without even having to spray the slide with >> water. I love the stuff. >> >> Mike >> >> At 08:20 AM 1/16/00 , you wrote: >> >> Trombotine or Slide-O-Mix... I been hearing a lot of suggestions for >> Trombonetine, but I am not sure if I should switch from my slide-o-mix. Have >> any suggestions >> >> Eric wrote: >> >> Greetings,I would prefer slide cream rather than cold cream.Many commercial >> slide creams retain their moisture longer than cold cream.So, theoretically, >> the slide would not have to be resprayed or have creamreapplied as much with >> the commercial stuff. Also, the commercial stuff comes in containers that >> fit in your case.I use a commercial combination of lubricants but have used >> cold creambefore.I'm currently using trombotine on the slide and G. Leblanc >> Holton slide concentrate w/water in the squirt bottle. > From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:25 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 21:37:44 -0500 From: Dave Burch To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: 'The Iron Giant' Message-ID: <38828078.7C6AF8F6@fuse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My family got 'The Iron Giant' on video for Christmas, and we're wearing it out (It's as much a hoot for grownups as for the kids. Go rent it if you haven't seen it, especially if you survived the Cold War.). Anyway, the soundtrack includes a really interesting jazz trombone solo. This is being played on the stereo of Dean, the beatnik scrap metal artist (fun voice acting by Harry Connick, Jr.). I can't spot it in the credits, probably because of my ignorance. Does anyone know what it is and who played it? Thanks. -- @%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@ ------ Dave Burch ------ ---- Hamilton, Ohio ----- -- daveburch@fuse.net -- Church and community trombonist, baritone hornist, recorderist, choral singer After Hours Big Band Cincinnati Brass Band at http://cincinnati.brassband.com Hamilton-Fairfield Symphony Chorale (and sometimes Orchestra) at http://www.hfso.org Senior programmer/analyst, Mercy Health Partners @%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@%@ From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:25 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 21:47:29 -0500 From: SOB 3:16 To: trombone Subject: Alisyn Message-ID: <388282C1.EFE4D130@worldlynx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What can you tell me about the Alisyn "Synthetic Spray Solvent"? From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:25 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 21:55:18 EST From: SlideH@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Valve/Slide Double Case? Message-ID: <46.8501ec.25b3de96@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi: Can anyone out there point me towards a case that will fit a King 3B Bell, Slide AND Valve section? I would be very interested if anyone has a cheaper used one for sale, or if anyone can tell me where to look for a new one! Thanks, John From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:25 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:15:53 EST From: JennWhaa@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Taking a poll Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey everyone. Just been assigned to play Concerto for Orchestra in February. I am curious on how people approach the Bartok gliss. I have heard just about every way possible - surprise me if you can. Respond privately and I will post the results. Thanks, Curious Jen From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:25 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:36:16 EST From: Tbcwes@aol.com To: JennWhaa@aol.com, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Taking a poll Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jen, Here's an idea - why don't you grab your teacher's F? See ya tomorrow, Wes From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:25 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:08:02 -0600 From: Listmonitor Trombone-L To: Trombone-L Subject: Regarding the List Monitor Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Over the past few days, the list monitor has been the target of several abusive e-mails from individuals on the list. The information upon which these individuals based their conclusions is patently false, and at this point, some clarification of the list monitor's position is necessary. 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All of this is done in 'spare' time for no compensation - this is a voluntary position. All of the above has been said, not to garner sympathy, but to let you know that there is no hidden agenda. The simple fact is this: The list monitor position is to assure each list member the most enjoyable, free-wheeling e-mail discussion group on the Internet. The trombone-l is, and will remain, an unmoderated forum dedicated to trombones and related issues. LM From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:25 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 23:18:29 -0500 (EST) From: Beth Lewis To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Where to buy Mic's? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, I'm looking for a store on or off-line that would have a Sony ECM-MS907 microphone in stock at a decent price. I've only come across two online stores carrying it so far, so if anyone can help me out here, I'd really appreciate it. Also, does anyone have any recommendations for other microphones that record trombones well for everyday use with a minidisc recorder (that cost less than $100 (US))? Thanks, Beth Lewis From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:25 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:56:02 +0000 From: Eric and Candice Swanson To: posaune_rex@hotmail.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Dallas Opera Results Message-ID: <38824C80.13B0FB00@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit posaune rex wrote: > Hello, > > I'm wondering if anyone on the list, maybe Mr. Swanson, knows the results of > the Dallas Opera audition? > Stacy, Since I was on the committee, I should. Jimmy Clark won the position of Principal Trombone with the Dallas Opera Orchestra, starting next season. Eric Swanson From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:25 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 23:08:12 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: LIST MONITOR Message-ID: <200001170508.XAA04709@newton.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear List, I can't imagine what the complaints were or why people would be sending abusive mail to the list monitor. I have to say that I have been helped on many occasions by this person and always with great speed, clarity and courtesy. After many talks with him I know exactly what he has to go through daily - 99.99% of it unseen and unrewarded. I wouldn't want to do it for pay! This is a volunteer position and I am amazed that anyone would be willing to do the job, let alone do an excellent job of it. We should be thanking this guy, not harassing him. I have seen other lists that have gross censorship, rampant authoritarianism and create a very unpleasant atmosphere! Trombone-l is greatly improved by this individuals work, trust me. Let me be the first to publicly say "thank you and please keep up the good work, LM!" My 25 cents (inflation) Mike Coyle At 10:08 PM 1/16/00 , you wrote: >Over the past few days, the list monitor has been the target of several >abusive e-mails from individuals on the list. The information upon which >these individuals based their conclusions is patently false, and at this >point, some clarification of the list monitor's position is necessary. > >What the list monitor CAN do: >- Approve subscription requests >- Stop and start the list >- Change mail preferences for users at their request >- Unsubscribe list members >- Send messages to the list regarding list protocols and procedures >- Help resolve subscription problems > >What the list monitor CANNOT do: >- Censor messages before they are sent to the list > Once you send a message to TROMBONE-L@LISTS.MISSOURI.EDU, > your message is automatically sent to the list processor > then forwarded to the list. It DOES NOT go through any > censoring process, and is not reviewed by anyone until > it arrives on a list member's computer. > >Over the past three months, the list monitor has helped over 100 list >members resolve subscription problems, removed two list subscribers who >were sending abusive messages to other list members off the list using >anonymous e-mail services, worked with Eric Nicklas to resolve a major list >problem after a SENDMAIL software upgrade, and approved about 150 new >subscriptions. > >All of this is done in 'spare' time for no compensation - this is a >voluntary position. > >All of the above has been said, not to garner sympathy, but to let you know >that there is no hidden agenda. The simple fact is this: The list monitor >position is to assure each list member the most enjoyable, free-wheeling >e-mail discussion group on the Internet. > >The trombone-l is, and will remain, an unmoderated forum dedicated to >trombones and related issues. > >LM > From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:25 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 21:48:16 PST From: "Aaron Roth" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: note permutation calcs and Re: List Monitor Message-ID: <20000117054816.98226.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Well, I thought that the numbers were in line for what we were considering, based on this: We calculated permutations of tones, meaning that the order of the tones Does matter. If two sets of the chromatic scale were identical except for the first two tones, which are switched, then they would qualify as different permutations. However: If we were calculating combinations, where order doesN'T matter, then those two sets would actually be the same combination of notes. But I get the feeling that both Mike and Steve are better mathemeticians than I; was I correct in my summation? I remember the formulae for calculating permutations versus calculating combinations, and the combination formula contains an extra factorial in the denominator, thus making the result smaller than the other. I wish I had the mental discipline to calculate those numbers myself, but I don't feel like breaking out the pencil and paper this late at night. If those numbers are the small results, then I'd love to see the big numbers! -Aaron R. P.S. OTC: Trombone. P.P.S. I certainly appreciate an uncensored list, in response to the dumbfounding idea of anyone's dissatisfaction with the List Monitor's performance; I'm sure that on the unsmiling bassoon list (whose formal and serious posts send shivers down my spine) no such thing as mathematical permutations of notes made available for copyright would make it to anyone interested. Mike said aloud while typing: >Folks, please keep in mind that I was thinking in terms of serialized >music when doing sequencing calculations for the tone row (consisting of >12, 24 or 36 notes). Steve Beck wrote to me complaining that my numbers >were way low if I was talking about all the notes of our chromatic scale >used in every possible permutation. I considered doing that calc but came >to my senses and realized that trombone-l just doesn't pay well enough for >me to do that kind of work :) > >MiKe. > >PS I'm glad to know that someone is reading my posts though :) Thanks >Steve! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:25 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:57:32 -0800 From: David Oliver To: Trombone List , JJJohnson List Subject: Lloyd Ulyate In Denver Soon? Message-ID: <3882BD5B.EA7C6E92@access1.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Listers. I've been busy with work (and work travel), so I haven't had as much of a chance to respond as often as I'd like to lately, but I've tried to follow all the posts. I heard on the radio that the Ralph Carmichael big band will be playing in Denver on Sunday, Feb. 6th at the Denver Center of the Performing Arts. The tickets will be $27.50 per person, and must be bought in advance (call 303-433-5500 for info). You've gotta here "Sing, Sing, Sing" at least once live performed by a top notch big band like the group Ralph assembles. I really like his original compositions and arrangements too. My question is, will Lloyd be playing lead trombone again this time? I went to see the band the last time they were in Denver 1 1/2 years ago and enjoyed talking to Lloyd during the break, even though I had no idea who he was. He was very nice, and listened to me ramble on about playing again, etc. Do listers (such as my "this is how you growl" pal) Alex Iles know what Lloyd will be up to at that time? I also understand that "Bones West" is playing somewhere that weekend. BTW, the LM is doing a great job, IMHO. (Ha, three e-mail abbreviations!) David Oliver Westminster, Colorado USA Bass/Tenor Trombone (utility), Denver Concert Band From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:26 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:05:03 -0800 From: Larry White To: tsks@cjnetworks.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Regarding the List Monitor Message-ID: <3882B10F.92C8391B@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amen to that! Let us be adults and enjoy the commaderie and good knowledge that comes from the many subjects and consequence discussions that so often appear. Hear, Hear to our Listmonitor! A very grateful Canadian Trombonist Larry White Vancouver Listmonitor Trombone-L wrote: > Over the past few days, the list monitor has been the target of several > abusive e-mails from individuals on the list. The information upon which > these individuals based their conclusions is patently false, and at this > point, some clarification of the list monitor's position is necessary. > > What the list monitor CAN do: > - Approve subscription requests > - Stop and start the list > - Change mail preferences for users at their request > - Unsubscribe list members > - Send messages to the list regarding list protocols and procedures > - Help resolve subscription problems > > What the list monitor CANNOT do: > - Censor messages before they are sent to the list > Once you send a message to TROMBONE-L@LISTS.MISSOURI.EDU, > your message is automatically sent to the list processor > then forwarded to the list. It DOES NOT go through any > censoring process, and is not reviewed by anyone until > it arrives on a list member's computer. > > Over the past three months, the list monitor has helped over 100 list > members resolve subscription problems, removed two list subscribers who > were sending abusive messages to other list members off the list using > anonymous e-mail services, worked with Eric Nicklas to resolve a major list > problem after a SENDMAIL software upgrade, and approved about 150 new > subscriptions. > > All of this is done in 'spare' time for no compensation - this is a > voluntary position. > > All of the above has been said, not to garner sympathy, but to let you know > that there is no hidden agenda. The simple fact is this: The list monitor > position is to assure each list member the most enjoyable, free-wheeling > e-mail discussion group on the Internet. > > The trombone-l is, and will remain, an unmoderated forum dedicated to > trombones and related issues. > > LM From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:26 2000 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:10:22 -0800 From: Larry White To: ealewis@indiana.edu Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Where to buy Mic's? Message-ID: <3882B24E.805772FD@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use an Aiwa Stereo, a little microphone that clips on your tie or lapel, that worked extremly well with my mini disc player when I recorded a recent band programme for my enjoyment. It was very good and distinct. There is no other markings on it, other than the Stero and L on one end and R on the other. Sorry I can't give you any additional info as to what type or model no. BTW it has the mini plug! Larry White Vancouver BC Beth Lewis wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking for a store on or off-line that would have a Sony ECM-MS907 > microphone in stock at a decent price. I've only come across two online > stores carrying it so far, so if anyone can help me out here, I'd really > appreciate it. Also, does anyone have any recommendations for other > microphones that record trombones well for everyday use with a minidisc > recorder (that cost less than $100 (US))? > > Thanks, > Beth Lewis From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:26 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 05:39:54 -0500 From: Charles To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Adrians book title Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000117103954.006946b4@totcon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The title of Adrians "book" should be: "I Wish I Thought of That!" Charlie From ???@??? Mon Jan 17 08:19:26 2000 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 03:44:41 -0800 From: Bodie Pfost To: NHSGrizzly16@aol.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Jazz & Improv Message-ID: <388300A9.A43EA03F@wcinet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just got the Jazz Theory Book by Mark Levine. I highly recomend it. It gives all the information you would ever want to know about jazz theory. -- Bodie Pfost NHSGrizzly16@aol.com wrote: > Hello! I'm a high school soph. In September, I started playing trombone. > After a month, I tried out for all-region jazz band.....and made it. I can > play well (I'm guessing because I'm an excellent euphonium player). But, I > want to expand my knowledge of jazz music. I want to buy a jazz method book > and some play along books for improvisational studies. Do any of you have > some good suggestions of some good method books? Any help is greatly > appreciated. Thanx! > > ~*~Kristina~*~ > NHS Symphonic Band (Euphonium) > Jazz Band (Trombone) > Pianist