TROMBONE-L Digest 1562 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Thayers by "Eric Edwards" 2) Re: Cup Mute by Chris Waage 3) Re: NAMM? by Ralph Bigelow 4) RE: Cup Mute by "DOWDY, KENNETH S" 5) Re: Cup Mute by "Christopher Smith" 6) Re: high D (10th partial) by James Olin 7) Bakersfield Bones Report by Sequoia Middle School 8) Bakersfield Bones Report by Sequoia Middle School 9) Re: Cup Mute by Jeff Hettling 10) Sale by Emil & Cynthia Orth 11) Valve trombones by "Blythe Polreis" 12) RE: Valve trombones by "DOWDY, KENNETH S" 13) Re: Valve trombones by Paul Riley 14) Re: Valve trombones (to Blythe and Paul) by Mike Coyle 15) Re: A New Subsriber Who Is Unable To Post To The List by Listmonitor Trombone-L 16) This is a Test by Margie Gurwit 17) RE: Valve trombones by "Blythe Polreis" 18) weird instrument on Ebay by Mike Coyle 19) Another Test by Margie Gurwit 20) Re: Valve trombones by Dan Aldag 21) Re: weird instrument on Ebay by Joao Leao 22) Re: weird instrument on Ebay by "Joe L. Norcross" 23) RE: weird instrument on Ebay by "DOWDY, KENNETH S" 24) Re: Valve trombones (to Blythe and Paul) by alex iles 25) Large Bore Valve Trombones by "Denver D. Seifried" 26) Re: Mouthpiece Exchange January Sale by "Adrian Drover" 27) Re: high D (+ other junk) by "Adrian Drover" 28) Re: NAMM? by "Adrian Drover" 29) Re: Valve trombones (to Blythe and Paul) by BassBonist@aol.com 30) Re: cup mute by kingbone@earthlink.net 31) Re: Valve trombones (to Blythe and Paul) by "stevencarr" 32) RE: weird instrument on Ebay by MikeSuter@aol.com 33) Re: Valve trombones by MikeSuter@aol.com 34) Bob Brookmeyer by MikeSuter@aol.com 35) Re: weird instrument on Ebay by "Steve Beck" 36) Re: weird instrument on Ebay by "Kenneth Dowdy" 37) trio by "Melissa Moore" 38) RE: Valve trombones (to Blythe and Paul) by "Phil Burton" 39) Re: weird instrument on Ebay by Mike Coyle 40) RE: Valve trombones (to Blythe and Paul) by Mike Coyle 41) Conn artist symphony by kingbone@earthlink.net 42) Why play the trombone? by craig findley 43) Re: Why play the trombone? by Earl Needham 44) Re: Valve trombones (to Blythe and Paul) by "Tom Izzo" 45) Re: Why play the trombone? by "Kenneth Dowdy" 46) Re: weird instrument on Ebay by "Tom Izzo" 47) Re: weird instrument on Ebay by "Tom Izzo" 48) Re: Valve trombones by "Tom Izzo" 49) Re: Valve trombones (to Tom Izzo) by EMRose79@aol.com 50) Re: weird instrument on Ebay by Eric and Candice Swanson 51) Re: NAMM? by "Gary Maxwell" 52) Re: Why play the trombone? by Larry & Carol Bronisz 53) College by "Phillip Larson" 54) Re: Conn artist symphony by David Oliver 55) Re: Why play the trombone? by Angie Brunk 56) ? by Charles From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:19 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 07:30:25 -0600 From: "Eric Edwards" To: "Trombone-L(posts)" Subject: Thayers Message-ID: <003901bf584a$31b78c40$7837aec7@Flashnet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I always use and recommend Al Cass valve oil and Selmer Key oil on all my and my customers rotors be they Thayer or conventional rotary. The only problems I've are if the valve dries out and or gets too hot, like in the trunk of a car in the summer. Thanks, Eric bonearzt@mindspring.com From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:19 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 07:54:00 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Re: Cup Mute Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Brett- Depends upon how much you're going to use it. I have only had one call for a cup mute in the past two years, so I have a Stonelined I pull out for that once every 730 days use. If you're doing alot of jazz or Broadway shows, you'll use it alot. The Jo-Ral is one of the best, as are the Denis Wick and the Tom Crown. The Stonelined was about 1/3rd the price of the Jo-Ral, but if you'll be using it alot, there's some major drawbacks. The Stonelined is really funky - to get a low G (bottom line, bass clef) with the Stonelined cup, I had to play it in #3rd position! Chris >Hi all, > >I'm in need of a cup mute and I was wondering if anyone had any >suggestions as to what to get. Should I go with a metal mute or a >Stonelined? If metal, any particular brand? > >Thanks, >Brett Wilson _____________________________________________ Chris Waage basstbn@waageworks.com http://www.waageworks.com "Wisdom comes from Knowledge. Knowledge comes from Good Judgement. Good Judgement comes from Experience. Experience comes from Bad Judgement." _____________________________________________ From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:19 2000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 05:53:17 -0800 From: Ralph Bigelow To: KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: NAMM? Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000106052912.009bf3d0@pop.pophost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 09:01 PM 01/05/2000 -0700, Earl Needham wrote: > Anybody on these lists going to the NAMM show this year? It > sounds like >an incredible concert is planned, I want to hear about it if anybody gets >to go! > > Earl > > >Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG >Clovis, NM (N34¼25'46" W103¼12'42") >Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia, Pi Chi '75 I don't know what "incredible concert" Earl is asking about, but BonesWest will perform at NAMM 2000 on Saturday, February 5, at 12 noon. This will be the 20th consecutive NAMM performance by the choir so we are preparing a retrospective playlist of favorite charts arranged for BonesWest over the years. Soloists will include George Roberts (founder or the choir), John Marcellus, Lloyd Ulyate, Bill Tole, John Leys, Charles LaRue, Bob Olson, and others from the choir. NAMM 2000 will take place at the Los Angeles Convention Center; the performance stage is near the main food court adjacent to West Hall. Information about NAMM--International Music Products Association can be found at http://www.namm.com/. Ralph Bigelow rbigelow@akamail.com BonesWest Trombone choir boneswest@boneswest.org http://boneswest.org From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:19 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 08:11:30 -0600 From: "DOWDY, KENNETH S" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Cup Mute Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain A while back I picked up a Harmon "Triple Play" combination mute. I one for both my soprano trombone and my tenor trombone. This is basically a metal straight mute with a cup that can be attached. I like the sound of the Harmon straight a lot better than the fiber mute that I was using before. As to the cup attachment, it is OK for occasional use. If I were in a situation where I used a cup mute a lot, I would probably get something else. Ken Dowdy > -----Original Message----- > From: Brett Wilson [SMTP:bwilson@speedynet.net] > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 10:26 PM > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > Subject: Cup Mute > > Hi all, > > I'm in need of a cup mute and I was wondering if anyone had any > suggestions as to what to get. Should I go with a metal mute or a > Stonelined? If metal, any particular brand? > > Thanks, > Brett Wilson From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:19 2000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 14:41:58 GMT From: "Christopher Smith" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Cup Mute Message-ID: <20000106144158.35622.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Brett, In my experience the Denis Wick is the most reasonable all-around cup. There are cheaper ones (H&B) which have dead spots, and more expensive ones (Gane) which are nearly perfect mutes, but the Wick is very good. It handles the bottom of the bass clef fine, too. Chris http://www.geocities.com/~christo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:19 2000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 09:42:46 -0500 From: James Olin To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: high D (10th partial) Message-ID: <3874A9E6.7BBD6569@peabody.jhu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This may sound radical, but it's actually what I do. I tune my whole horn to the first position high D. This means that the other first position notes are all out a little. (It means that all the other notes on the horn are out a little more also). I have noticed my right hand thumb acting as a measure as to how far out in first position each note is. Rationales: 1) High D in first is more secure, because it is farther away from the next higher and lower partials, therefore less chance of cracking. 2) Musical ensembles often push the pitch sharper as a performance heats up. High Ds have a way of showing up near the ends of pieces. Jim Olin bob topper wrote: > Hello all, > > Just curious. Do most of you play this D in 1st or in flat 2nd? On my > horn, 88h-CL, it is flat in 1st but not easy to pick out cleanly in 2nd. > > Thanks, > Bob Topper From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:19 2000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 09:03:20 -0800 From: Sequoia Middle School To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Bakersfield Bones Report Message-ID: <3874CAD8.9439333F@bcsd.k12.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Several have asked how our Christmas gathering of the "Bakersfield Bones" turned out, so I have this to say about that: We had approximately 30 trbns, 2 euphs, 2 marching brtns, 2 tubas & 1 sousy show up at 10:00 am for a two hour rehearsal prior to our concert at 2:00. Age span from 8yrs to 60 yrs. She, the 8 yr old, was really cute and having only been playing the trombone for 4 mo., held her own very well. Even hit more notes and key changes than some of the older, ("I have more important things to do, than play Ab in third.") boys. The 60 yr old, well, his birthday was on the 25th and we played on the 18th, (a Tbn-L member, Randy Fendrick) was full of flu, but carried on and did what trombonists do: PLAYED HIS HORN! We performed before a relatively small audience as the opening for Bakersfield Music Theater's, Christmas program. From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:19 2000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 09:05:23 -0800 From: Sequoia Middle School To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Bakersfield Bones Report Message-ID: <3874CB53.4991AF47@bcsd.k12.ca.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Woops! I wasn't done! Hit the Send accidentally. (What a duffus.) More to follow. Sorry Gary From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:19 2000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 12:12:29 -0600 From: Jeff Hettling To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Cup Mute Message-ID: <3874DB0C.C7DA65C1@starpoint.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have to personally stand behind my Jo-Ral adjustible cup. I still have my stonelined (my first cup mute), but don't use it very much for various reasons. One being that it pushed a ring around the bell where the cork is. I'm very happy with my Jo-Ral wich doesn't do that to my horn. From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 12:41:40 -0600 From: Emil & Cynthia Orth To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Sale Message-ID: <3874E1E4.8F56CDF7@midsouth.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit New King 2B [2102] trombone, hard case, mouthpiece and slide creme, new warranty papers. Absolutely perfect condition. $875. If interested please email off list..thanks. From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 13:54:04 -0500 From: "Blythe Polreis" To: Subject: Valve trombones Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Are there any manufacturers who make large bore valve trombones or are they all made in only small bore sizes? Happy New Year, everyone! Blythe Spirit From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:06:04 -0600 From: "DOWDY, KENNETH S" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Valve trombones Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain That depends on what you want to call a valve trombone. Of instruments advertised as such, most are "small bore". King 3B = .485 Blessing B-170 = .500 Holton TR-690 = .484 Amati = .488 Yamaha YSL354V = .500 Getzen 998 = .500 However, there are some so called "marching trombones" that are larger. Getzen G4650 = .510 Blessing M-200 = .515 DEG 465 = .500 Yamaha makes a "marching baritone" YBH301M that has a .571 bore and uses a bass trombone mouthpiece. Other marching baritones and marching euphoniums are large bore, too. Hope this helps. Ken Dowdy > -----Original Message----- > From: Blythe Polreis [SMTP:Blythe_Polreis@cbc.ca] > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 12:54 PM > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > Subject: Valve trombones > > Are there any manufacturers who make large bore valve trombones or are > they all made in only small bore sizes? > > Happy New Year, everyone! > > Blythe Spirit From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 14:13:09 -0500 From: Paul Riley To: Blythe_Polreis@cbc.ca Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Valve trombones Message-ID: <3874E945.301FBDA@greenlinnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Blythe, Bach, Conn, King, Edwards, and most other reputable manufacturers have been making large bore valve instruments for years. I think their called F attachments, or some such nonsense. A valve's a valve in my estimation. I'd never touch one, as I prefer to play the slide trombone. All's Fair... Paul L. Riley paul@greenlinnet.com From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 13:32:02 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Valve trombones (to Blythe and Paul) Message-ID: <200001061931.NAA06631@newton.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Paul wrote: >Bach, Conn, King, Edwards, and most other reputable manufacturers have been making large bore valve instruments >for years. I think their called F attachments, or some such nonsense. A valve's a valve in my estimation. I'd >never touch one, as I prefer to play the slide trombone. > >All's Fair... >Paul L. Riley Paul, I'm not sure if you were making a joke or being serious. If you were making a joke, ignore the following, if not, read on.... The F attachment is a rotary valve which works in conjunction with the slide trombone to which it is attached - its inclusion in no way negates the "slideness" of the trombone :). Blythe, I am sure, was making reference to the tradition valve trombone with three piston valves (like a trumpet). Though I can certainly understand your desire to play a "slide" trombone as opposed to a valve trombone, you must not confuse the use of a rotary valve attachment to a slide trombone with the actual valve trombone. Blythe, To my knowledge there are no manufacturers making large bore valve trombones. I purchased a 1939 Mirafone valve trombone which was an intermediate bore instrument requiring a medium shank mouthpiece (like the ones used in some British baritones). It was a gross disappointment and went back to the owner in minutes! I have wanted a large bore valve trombone for years too, but I am starting to think that I'd have to have one custom made. MC From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:32:39 -0600 From: Listmonitor Trombone-L To: Budshcneider@aol.com, Trombone-L Subject: Re: A New Subsriber Who Is Unable To Post To The List Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes, there is still a problem, and it is being researched at this time. A notice will be posted to the list once it is resolved. >In a message dated 1/4/00 7:24:03 PM Central Standard Time, Budshcneider >writes: > ><< I am new to the list. I have been trying to join the fun and have also >asked advice, however my messages never make it to the trombone list. Am I >doing something wrong?>> > > > >Hi, > >I am still unable to send a message to the trombone list. Is their still a >problem? > >Bud Schneider --------------------------------------- trombone-l digest archives and useful trombone-l information are available at http://www.cjnetworks.com/~tsks From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:41:32 -0600 (CST) From: Margie Gurwit To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: This is a Test Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is a test. Please ignore and delete this message. From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 14:52:02 -0500 From: "Blythe Polreis" To: Subject: RE: Valve trombones Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Paul L. Riley wrote: "A valve's a valve in my estimation. I'd never touch one, as I prefer to play the slide trombone." Personally, I tend to agree - partly because I've played slide a great deal more than valves. However, the timbre of a valve trombone is quite different from a slide trombone, almost to the point where I would question whether it's valid to look upon one as a substitute for the other. I went to a Cotton Club Review concert a few months back (early Duke Ellington repertoire) where Sam Burtis played some charts on slide and others on valve trombone - it was very interesting for me. My big band is working up a chart called "bill, not gil" by Don Sebesky. My part is actually called "2nd baritone" but it's Bob Brookmeyer who plays it on the recording I have so I'm wondering if he's actually playing a baritone on the solo or if it's maybe a valve trombone - it's a beautiful warm sound at any rate. The motive for my question was not nearly as valid as doing the right thing for the music's sake. My situation is that there is an intermediate-level jazz band here who have a lot of fun making music together and there's a tuba who likes to join in who is trying to find a way to join in without bottom-heavying the sound by using his tuba yet doesn't want to learn a new set of chops or slide. Kenneth Dowdy has suggested Yamaha's .571 bore marching baritone, which may serve my friend well. Thanks for the suggestions! Blythe From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 13:54:19 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: weird instrument on Ebay Message-ID: <200001061954.NAA08663@newton.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; types="text/plain,text/html"; boundary="=====================_15772846==_.ALT" Hey you guys,

I was just on Ebay and saw this bizarre instrument:  http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230278364

Has anyone out there ever seen anything like this before?

MC
From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:00:10 -0600 (CST) From: Margie Gurwit To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Another Test Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is another test to see if this gets posted to the list. Do not respond to this message. From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 12:54:38 -0800 From: Dan Aldag To: trombone-l Subject: Re: Valve trombones Message-ID: <38750139.2B71@axe.humboldt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Blythe Polreis wrote: (snip) > the timbre of a valve trombone is quite different from a slide trombone, almost to the > point where I would question whether it's valid to look upon one as a substitute for the other. I > went to a Cotton Club Review concert a few months back (early Duke Ellington repertoire) where Sam > Burtis played some charts on slide and others on valve trombone - it was very interesting for me. It might also interest you to know that Juan Tizol, the valve trombonist in the Ellington band, played a valve trombone in C. I'm not sure what the bore was on it, but it was definitely shorter than a Bb horn. I don't know what Sam plays. You could e-mail him if you wanted to know. > My big band is working up a chart called "bill, not gil" by Don Sebesky. My part is actually > called "2nd baritone" but it's Bob Brookmeyer who plays it on the recording I have so I'm wondering > if he's actually playing a baritone on the solo or if it's maybe a valve trombone - it's a > beautiful warm sound at any rate. I don't know the chart or the recording you're referring to, so at the risk of earning the "Dead Wrong In Public" award, here's my educated guess: I've never seen or heard Brookmeyer play baritone, so I'm guessing he's playing his valve trombone on the recording. When the chart got published, the publisher was smart enough to know there aren't too many valve trombones out there, so they slapped "baritone" on what was originally a valve trombone part. On the other hand [also known as covering my a-- :)], it wouldn't surprise me if Sebesky wrote the the part for baritone. He's definitely an arranger concerned with timbre. If you really want to know, you could contact Brookmeyer himself. He has a web page at http://www.jazzcorner.com/brookmeyer/home.html -- Dan Aldag, Visiting Assistant Professor Dept. of Music, Humboldt State University 1 Harpst Street Arcata, CA 95521 (707)826-5447 From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 15:58:21 -0500 From: Joao Leao To: astro@pconline.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." , leao@gog.harvard.edu Subject: Re: weird instrument on Ebay Message-ID: <200001062058.PAA23271@gog.harvard.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What a repulsive beast! It is clearly one of those monstrosities that some mad doctor conceived coupling a bone and a cornet. Most of these unnatural crossings are hybrids (like mules) and fortunately do not reproduce, thanks God! -Joao > --=====================_15772846==_.ALT > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hey you guys, > > I was just on Ebay and saw this bizarre instrument: > http://cg > i.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230278364 > > Has anyone out there ever seen anything like this before? > > MC > > --=====================_15772846==_.ALT --------------------------------------------- Joao Pedro Leao * jleao@cfa.harvard.edu Computer Systems Manager - Central Engineering Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics 1815 Massachussetts Av. , Cambridge MA 02140 Phone: (617)-496-7990 extension 124 ---------------------------------------------- "All generalizations are abusive (specially this one!)" ------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:10:35 -0800 From: "Joe L. Norcross" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: weird instrument on Ebay Message-ID: <020401bf588a$7c8b5360$04000005@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looks to me that it is an experiment. someone took a trombone slide and added it to a cornet by taking the mouthpipe and tubing off until it just reached the valves. I wonder what key it plays in? Early experiment by a young Maynard Ferguson? ______________________________________ Joe L. Norcross Tuba, Sequoia Winds, Visalia British Brass Band Tuba and Announcer, Kingsburg City Band joetuba@lightspeed.net -----Original Message----- From: Mike Coyle To: Trombones and related issues forum. Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 12:03 PM Subject: weird instrument on Ebay Hey you guys, I was just on Ebay and saw this bizarre instrument: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230278364 Has anyone out there ever seen anything like this before? MC From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:21:36 -0600 From: "DOWDY, KENNETH S" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: weird instrument on Ebay Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Could be an early MF experiment, but I heard that Tom Izzo only got a brief look at it before he fogged up his monitor :-) Ken Dowdy > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe L. Norcross [SMTP:joetuba@lightspeed.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 3:11 PM > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > Subject: Re: weird instrument on Ebay > > Looks to me that it is an experiment. someone took a trombone slide and > added it to a cornet by taking the mouthpipe and tubing off until it just > reached the valves. > I wonder what key it plays in? > Early experiment by a young Maynard Ferguson? > ______________________________________ > Joe L. Norcross > Tuba, Sequoia Winds, Visalia British Brass Band > Tuba and Announcer, Kingsburg City Band > joetuba@lightspeed.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Coyle > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 12:03 PM > Subject: weird instrument on Ebay > > > Hey you guys, > > I was just on Ebay and saw this bizarre instrument: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230278364 > > Has anyone out there ever seen anything like this before? > > MC > From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 14:47:09 +0100 From: alex iles To: astro@pconline.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Valve trombones (to Blythe and Paul) Message-ID: <38749CC6.1554D1C7@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Is it my imagination or didn't Brazilian trombonist Raul DeSouza play some kind of a large bore, or even a Bass Valve bone on some albums in the seventies? That horn might be like what you're looking into, Blythe. Bright Moments, Alex Blythe Polreis wrote: > Are there any manufacturers who make large bore valve trombones or are they all made in only small bore sizes? > > Happy New Year, everyone! > > Blythe Spirit From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:12:34 -0500 From: "Denver D. Seifried" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Large Bore Valve Trombones Message-ID: <000801bf5893$2980b1c0$91735acf@dscomp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF5869.3932BCA0"
Concerning the discussion on large-bore valve trombones, Raul D'Sousa recorded most of his early recordings on a Bach 42-B and also plays a MF Superbone. I also believe that Rob McConnell used a Conn 5-H Valve Bone with an 8-H bell section in place of the standard 5-H bell. He seems to have a really great valve bone sound.
 
Maybe someone else on the list can add further information concerning Rob's equipment. Also check Jim Self's web page, as he plays some really unique valve-bass instruments.
 From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 19:03:03 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: "Chris Waage" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Mouthpiece Exchange January Sale Message-ID: <011901bf5894$2c145f80$e39f01d5@v4v3j2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Waage To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 1:40 AM Subject: Mouthpiece Exchange January Sale > Happy New Year! > > The turkey's nothing but bones, Well Chris, that's preferable to your 'bones all being turkeys. Adrian Adrian Drover (ADIOS) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 19:03:31 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: "Earl Needham" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: high D (+ other junk) Message-ID: <011a01bf5894$2d06fce0$e39f01d5@v4v3j2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Earl Needham To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 3:57 AM Subject: Re: high D (+ other junk) > Works well for me in either 3rd (with any necessary adjustment) or else > #2nd. In fact, sharp 2nd is pretty good on a lot of horns, give it a try > and see. Cool! I wonder if anyone can play a whole tune using nothing but adjusted 7th, 11th, 13th and 14th partials. Don't ask me, I just stick to the low notes. Adrian Adrian Drover (ADIOS) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 19:03:51 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: NAMM? Message-ID: <011b01bf5894$2e1b2c00$e39f01d5@v4v3j2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph Bigelow To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 1:53 PM Subject: Re: NAMM? > I don't know what "incredible concert" Earl is asking about, but BonesWest > will perform at NAMM 2000 on Saturday, February 5, at 12 noon. This will be > the 20th consecutive NAMM performance by the choir so we are preparing a > retrospective playlist of favorite charts arranged for BonesWest over the > years. Soloists will include George Roberts (founder or the choir), John > Marcellus, Lloyd Ulyate, Bill Tole, John Leys, Charles LaRue, Bob Olson, > and others from the choir. Well then Ralph, that must be the incredible concert Earl has in mind. Wait a minute, Feb 5? Drat!, I won't be able to make it. The plumber's coming that day to fix my burst pipe. Adrian Adrian Drover (ADIOS) Personal: adrian@adios.co.uk Business: studio@adios.co.uk www.adios.co.uk From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:21:53 EST From: BassBonist@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Valve trombones (to Blythe and Paul) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alex Iles writes: << Did Raul DeSouza play some kind of a large bore, or even a Bass Valve bone on some albums in the seventies? >> Yep, Raul used a Bach 50B ! "Sweet Lucy" is one of my favorite albums! Matt Varho From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 17:46:29 -0500 From: kingbone@earthlink.net To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: cup mute Message-ID: <38751B42.636A8CAD@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re the cup mute question: get whatever your section mates have. If you're looking for the old swing band cup muute sound, the regualr stone lined one is what you want. A friend who plays p[rofessionally has the Denis Wick metal mutes but, in his words, "they're expensive and they dent too easily." DAve Molter Pittsburgh, PA From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:56:16 -0500 From: "stevencarr" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Valve trombones (to Blythe and Paul) Message-ID: <069201bf5899$3cd3fe70$173d0818@cc938625-a.narltn1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From the cover picture (and sound) it does seem as if Raul DeSousa and a large bore valve bone. The cover photo show a 4 valve valve trombone - which is why I bought the album 25 years ago. I have another album where I think he just plays on a Bach 42 - my best guess from pictures,liners notes and sound. The trombonium that was based on the Conn 8h bell and used a large shank mouthpiece would qualify as a large bore valve trombone if you don't count looks. Steve Carr -----Original Message----- From: alex iles To: Trombones and related issues forum. Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 4:45 PM Subject: Re: Valve trombones (to Blythe and Paul) >Hi all, > >Is it my imagination or didn't Brazilian trombonist Raul DeSouza play some kind of a large bore, or even a Bass >Valve bone on some albums in the seventies? That horn might be like what you're looking into, Blythe. > >Bright Moments, > >Alex > > > >Blythe Polreis wrote: > >> Are there any manufacturers who make large bore valve trombones or are they all made in only small bore sizes? >> >> Happy New Year, everyone! >> >> Blythe Spirit > From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:51:35 EST From: MikeSuter@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: weird instrument on Ebay Message-ID: <56.56efbe44.25a67677@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Guys, Actually it's an advanced version of the horn Holton made for Maynard. This time done in conjunction with Austin Powers. It's called the "Mini-Me Superbone." MS From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:00:39 EST From: MikeSuter@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Valve trombones Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Guys, I just listened to the CD in question: "I Remember Bill (a tribute to Bill Evans)" by Don Sebesky. The charts are written for 2 trombones (doubling on baritone), 1 BsTrb (doubling on baritone), and tuba (doubling on baritone), none of which are listed as Bob Brookmeyer. But the soloist is listed as Bob Brookmeyer on valve trombone. I guess that means you're all correct. MS From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:12:02 EST From: MikeSuter@aol.com To: dja1@axe.humboldt.edu, trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Bob Brookmeyer Message-ID: <47.4782b409.25a67b42@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Guys, While I was at it, I also checked out the Bob Brookmeyer site (http://www.jazzcorner.com/brookmeyer/home.html) as recommended by Dan Aldag. What a kick. It's not that often, especially in this age of PC, that you run across such a unique thinker. I think I'll add Bob Brookmeyer to my "What I want to be when I grow up" list. Since I'm only 54, I'm not ready yet (check out his "Currents" section so that this statement will make better sense). All The Best, Mike Suter From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:26:56 -0500 From: "Steve Beck" To: "Trombone-l" Subject: Re: weird instrument on Ebay Message-ID: <00a801bf589d$88c22d80$3f310923@becks.cl.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: DOWDY, KENNETH S Could be an early MF experiment, but I heard that Tom Izzo only got a brief >look at it before he fogged up his monitor :-) Don't kid yourself, Ken. Izzo probably has two of them in his collection! Now that you guys made me view that monstrosity, go check out a truly beautiful horn on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=228550868 -Steve From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:00:22 -0600 From: "Kenneth Dowdy" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: weird instrument on Ebay Message-ID: <006001bf58a2$33b66180$25180f3f@default> Thanks, Steve. The listing says that there are 9 photos. I only got through 4 before I fogged up MY monitor. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Steve Beck To: Trombones and related issues forum. Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 5:31 PM Subject: Re: weird instrument on Ebay >From: DOWDY, KENNETH S Could be an early MF experiment, but I heard that Tom >Izzo only got a brief >>look at it before he fogged up his monitor :-) > > >Don't kid yourself, Ken. Izzo probably has two of them in his collection! >Now that you guys made me view that monstrosity, go check out a truly >beautiful horn on Ebay: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=228550868 > > -Steve > From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:07:33 -0600 From: "Melissa Moore" To: Cc: "Melissa Moore" Subject: trio Message-ID: <001e01bf58a3$3322dea0$52ae423f@mmoore> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01BF5870.E75A4EE0"
 
 
Does anyone know the name of a playable class 1 trio and a solo for a trombone.  We are in high school and would like to make it to state with them.
 
Thanks,
Melissa
 From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:29:47 -0700 From: "Phil Burton" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Valve trombones (to Blythe and Paul) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The closest thing I have seen was at a music repair shop in Idaho Falls, ID. The owner modified a Bass trombone with 4 rotors up front, where you could lock the slide and use the rotors, and the customary 2 rotors by your left ear... for the life of me I cannot find his business card, but when I do, I will post it. -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Mike Coyle Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 12:32 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Valve trombones (to Blythe and Paul) Paul wrote: >Bach, Conn, King, Edwards, and most other reputable manufacturers have been making large bore valve instruments >for years. I think their called F attachments, or some such nonsense. A valve's a valve in my estimation. I'd >never touch one, as I prefer to play the slide trombone. > >All's Fair... >Paul L. Riley Paul, I'm not sure if you were making a joke or being serious. If you were making a joke, ignore the following, if not, read on.... The F attachment is a rotary valve which works in conjunction with the slide trombone to which it is attached - its inclusion in no way negates the "slideness" of the trombone :). Blythe, I am sure, was making reference to the tradition valve trombone with three piston valves (like a trumpet). Though I can certainly understand your desire to play a "slide" trombone as opposed to a valve trombone, you must not confuse the use of a rotary valve attachment to a slide trombone with the actual valve trombone. Blythe, To my knowledge there are no manufacturers making large bore valve trombones. I purchased a 1939 Mirafone valve trombone which was an intermediate bore instrument requiring a medium shank mouthpiece (like the ones used in some British baritones). It was a gross disappointment and went back to the owner in minutes! I have wanted a large bore valve trombone for years too, but I am starting to think that I'd have to have one custom made. MC From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:29:25 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: weird instrument on Ebay Message-ID: <200001070029.SAA00796@newton.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:26 PM 1/6/00 , you wrote: >Now that you guys made me view that monstrosity, go check out a truly >beautiful horn on Ebay: > > -Steve BECK, your not supposed to look at any horns for sale - you just bought that great big, beautiful, gold and silver thang, remember? :) MC From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 19:01:56 -0600 From: Mike Coyle To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Valve trombones (to Blythe and Paul) Message-ID: <200001070101.TAA06602@newton.pconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:29 PM 1/6/00 , Phil wrote: >The closest thing I have seen was at a music repair shop in Idaho Falls, ID. >The owner modified a Bass trombone with 4 rotors up front, where you could >lock the slide and use the rotors, and the customary 2 rotors by your left >ear... for the life of me I cannot find his business card, but when I do, I >will post it. Sounds like this has been taken to an illogical extreme. :) From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 20:42:55 -0500 From: kingbone@earthlink.net To: "Trombone forum." Subject: Conn artist symphony Message-ID: <3875449A.6C0F5E32@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Help from Conn players, please: I just bought a large bore tenor Conn Artist Symphony Model, closed wrap. The serial number starts with 41 xxxxxx, which I understand means it was made in 1991. The horn is fine -- well made, balanced, and sounds great. However, I'm wondering why 88H isn't stamped into the horn anywhere. I've never owned a large bore Conn before, but all the other Conns I've seen have had a model number stamped into the receiver or slide. Is this something Conn quit doing, or did they never do it on the 88H? I'm happy with the horn, just curious why no 88H. I'd also appreeciate opinions on how the '91 vintage stacks up against the current crop. Dave Molter Pittsburgh, PA From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 19:54:00 -0600 From: craig findley To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Why play the trombone? Message-ID: <38754738.69B22B36@csj.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fellow travelers: I'm preparing a 30 minute program on the trombone for a group of musically-challenged colleagues and will welcome your comments on why the trombone came to be your choice of instruments. Hate baroque orchestral music? Like Trummy Young's bowties? For me it was watching the multi-talented Buffalo Bob playing the baritone horn on the Howdy Doody Show. Then I discovered jazz, and the slide. But I kept my 1964 Besson. Your personal observations privately or to the List will be most welcome. Craig Findley From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 19:39:47 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: findley@csj.net, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Why play the trombone? Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000106193947.00a56e00@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 07:54 PM 1/6/00 -0600, craig findley wrote: >Fellow travelers: > >I'm preparing a 30 minute program on the trombone for a group of >musically-challenged colleagues and will welcome your comments on why >the trombone came to be your choice of instruments. Two words -- Glenn Miller. No, four words -- Glenn Miller, Tommy Dorsey. No, SEVEN words -- Glenn Miller, Tommy Dorsey, Charlie Brown's teacher! Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34¼25.446' W103¼12.700' (or so) Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath, you breathe...) From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:23:29 -0600 From: "Tom Izzo" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Valve trombones (to Blythe and Paul) Message-ID: <000f01bf58c6$f3ce0f80$b475dfd0@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul, Mike & all, > > > The F attachment is a rotary valve which works in conjunction with the > slide trombone to which it is attached - Not always. The Bb Tenor Trombone can have F attachments, G attachments or even Eb attachments, tho the F is by far the most common.HOWEVER, not all attachments are engaged by means of a rotory valve. The Axial flow ("Thayer"), or Piston is also available to change the key of the instrument. There was once also a "strap" valve. And only Bb instruments have "F" attachments. Basses with 2 valves of course, have a second valve in a different key, such as G, Gb, E, Eb, D, & even C. Altos pitched in Eb, can have an "attachment" pitched in D, C or Bb. Note--NO "F" attachment. G Basses often have a D attachment. And no matter what the valve is, it is in itself not the attachment, just the means to switch the airflow INTO the attachment. Hope this clears it up? Or did I confuse you more? ts inclusion in no way negates > the "slideness" of the trombone :). Blythe, I am sure, was making > reference to the tradition valve trombone with three piston valves (like a > trumpet). Not all "Valve" Trombones have piston valves, either. Cervenny markets a .547 4 valve rotory Valve Trombone. Meinlschmidt markets a .540 3 valve rotory Valve Trombone (I have one of these pitched in C, but Bb is also available) Jim Self has a custom made Bb/F/D Bass Trombone with 5 rotory valves. Though I can certainly understand your desire to play a "slide" > trombone as opposed to a valve trombone, you must not confuse the use of a > rotary valve attachment to a slide trombone with the actual valve trombone. > And don't confuse rotory valves with attachments. Tom > Blythe, > > To my knowledge there are no manufacturers making large bore valve > trombones. I purchased a 1939 Mirafone valve trombone which was an > intermediate bore instrument requiring a medium shank mouthpiece (like the > ones used in some British baritones). It was a gross disappointment and > went back to the owner in minutes! I have wanted a large bore valve > trombone for years too, but I am starting to think that I'd have to have > one custom made. > > MC > From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:20 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:31:01 -0600 From: "Kenneth Dowdy" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Why play the trombone? Message-ID: <001601bf58bf$a21a65a0$081c0f3f@default> Why I originally played the trombone is a long story that is in the archives from the last time this was discussed. However, why I came back to the trombone from the guitar and trumpet can be summed up in three words: Urban Clifford Green I have always believed that God created the trombone. After listening to us try to play it for 400 years, he created Urbie Green to show us how. Ken Dowdy -----Original Message----- From: craig findley To: Trombones and related issues forum. Date: Thursday, January 06, 2000 7:46 PM Subject: Why play the trombone? >Fellow travelers: > >I'm preparing a 30 minute program on the trombone for a group of >musically-challenged colleagues and will welcome your comments on why >the trombone came to be your choice of instruments. Hate baroque >orchestral music? Like Trummy Young's bowties? > >For me it was watching the multi-talented Buffalo Bob playing the >baritone horn on the Howdy Doody Show. Then I discovered jazz, and the >slide. But I kept my 1964 Besson. > >Your personal observations privately or to the List will be most >welcome. > >Craig Findley > From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:21 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:28:41 -0600 From: "Tom Izzo" To: "Joe L. Norcross" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: weird instrument on Ebay Message-ID: <001f01bf58c7$adf4c8e0$b475dfd0@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Looks to me that it is an experiment. someone took a trombone slide and > added it to a cornet by taking the mouthpipe and tubing off until it just > reached the valves. > I wonder what key it plays in? > Early experiment by a young Maynard Ferguson? > ______________________________________ Probably. Ever notice too, how, so many people misspell (and often mispronounce) CORNET? There is only 1 "o" in that word. Tom From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:21 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:29:42 -0600 From: "Tom Izzo" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: weird instrument on Ebay Message-ID: <002801bf58c7$d25b53c0$b475dfd0@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Could be an early MF experiment, but I heard that Tom Izzo only got a brief > look at it before he fogged up his monitor :-) > hahahahahaah Nawwwwwwww. I'd take a REAL MF Superbone, tho, if any of you are selling...... Tom > From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:21 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:46:06 -0600 From: "Tom Izzo" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Valve trombones Message-ID: <006501bf58ca$1cf639c0$b475dfd0@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > It might also interest you to know that Juan Tizol, the valve trombonist > in the Ellington band, played a valve trombone in C. I'm not sure what > the bore was on it, but it was definitely shorter than a Bb horn. I > don't know what Sam plays. You could e-mail him if you wanted to know. > If memory serves, I believe SAm's is a modified Conn (bell section & valve section were not originally from the same instrument). I have a Valve Trombone in C with 3 rotories, not pistons & it comes in at a .540 bore--large enough? I also have a Piston valved Valve Trombone in Bb with a .515 bore. There are also several of our listers who have Valve Alto Trombones. Tom > From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:21 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 23:14:04 EST From: EMRose79@aol.com To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Valve trombones (to Tom Izzo) Message-ID: <4.44cb1b5.25a6c20c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/6/2000 7:27:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, jeanvaljean@ntsource.com writes: > Jim Self has a custom made Bb/F/D Bass Trombone with 5 rotory valves. Tom, Is this a silver 50B? I saw one at the 76 Trombones +4 in Las Vegas last year, or at least something that looked like it. Ed From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:21 2000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 23:09:27 +0000 From: Eric and Candice Swanson To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: weird instrument on Ebay Message-ID: <387520A4.84092095@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Coyle wrote: > Hey you guys, > > I was just on Ebay and saw this bizarre instrument: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230278364 > > Has anyone out there ever seen anything like this before? > > MC Mike, >From the pictures, it looks like pretty much the original "Superbone" to me. Conn used to really do a lot of experimenting with unusual instruments. The serial number indicated 1912, so it predates the Superbone by about 60 years or so. That's what it looks like to me. Eric Swanson From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:21 2000 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:43:20 -0800 From: "Gary Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: NAMM? Message-ID: <00b201bf58d2$1bbcd5c0$3302a5d1@maxwells> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I won't be able to make it. The plumber's coming >that day to fix my burst pipe. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Would that be the Chanter or one of the Drones? Gary Maxwell From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:21 2000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 23:30:21 -0700 From: Larry & Carol Bronisz To: ksdowdy@email.msn.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Why play the trombone? Message-ID: <4.1.20000106232842.00baf5d0@mail.trail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I would say two things: Jack Teagarden 'Cellos don't get to play jazz very often. - Larry From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:21 2000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 23:07:19 PST From: "Phillip Larson" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: College Message-ID: <20000107070719.60405.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed This is the first time I have written to this list so I hope I don't sound stupid. What are your opinions on good colleges for a bass trombonist that wants to someday freelance? Thanks in advance. -Phil ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:21 2000 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 00:03:42 -0800 From: David Oliver To: kingbone@earthlink.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Conn artist symphony Message-ID: <38759DDD.97781A3E@access1.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My 1967 88H has "88H" stamped on the bell section (near the connection to the slide on the receiver) and on the outer slide near the top, which is hidden when in first. I was always concerned about the lack of a serial number on the bell section though, as only the slide assemblies had it (in two different places). How can you date a bell section when it only has "88H" and a two digit number stamped on the valve housing? My bell section clearly went with the slide assy (and the tuning slide has that "Elkhart" shape), but still... Conn has been a division of United Musical Instruments since1985, so maybe it's a UMI "thing" (to use an overused word). David Oliver Westminster, Colorado USA (owner of Conn: '67 88H, '72 77H, '58 6H, '36 4H, & '58 "Coprion" Director) kingbone@earthlink.net wrote: > Help from Conn players, please: > > I just bought a large bore tenor Conn Artist Symphony Model, closed wrap. The > serial number starts with 41 xxxxxx, which I understand means it was made in > 1991. The horn is fine -- well made, balanced, and sounds great. However, > I'm wondering why 88H isn't stamped into the horn anywhere. I've never owned > a large bore Conn before, but all the other Conns I've seen have had a model > number stamped into the receiver or slide. Is this something Conn quit doing, > or did they never do it on the 88H? I'm happy with the horn, just curious why > no 88H. I'd also appreeciate opinions on how the '91 vintage stacks up against > the current crop. > > Dave Molter > Pittsburgh, PA From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:21 2000 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 00:46:53 -0600 From: Angie Brunk To: findley@csj.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Why play the trombone? Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 7:54 PM -0600 1/6/00, craig findley wrote: >Fellow travelers: > >I'm preparing a 30 minute program on the trombone for a group of >musically-challenged colleagues and will welcome your comments on why >the trombone came to be your choice of instruments. Hate baroque >orchestral music? Like Trummy Young's bowties? It draws men to me like moths to a flame. Ok, I'll leave my fantasy world now. The trombone chose me when I was just a wee little tyke. It's been a good match. Angie Brunk-The Blonde Soprano and Terror of Culley's Corner 'An it harm none do as ye will. "Well behaved women rarely make history"-Laurel Thacker Ulrich "I'd rather be his whore than your wife" just doesn't have the same sting as "I'd rather kiss a Wookee." From ???@??? Fri Jan 07 07:36:21 2000 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 01:51:27 -0500 From: Charles To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: ? Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000107065127.00699f34@totcon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Glenn Miller?????????????????